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Then I'm pretty sure we are gonna need more pictures. Lots more.
I think a video would be fantastic. Then we could really get into the nuts and bolts of what's going on, and really help out. Op, do you think a video would be a possibility? I know with all of us here, and a little help from you, we can get this all squared away in no time. The power of teamwork!
So I was wrong, the res is 1.1ohms. The MVP2 can fire it though! Apprearantly....
And just to say, when I am indeed vaping, I do have the air hole positioned right in front of the coil. Haven't tried blocking the second hole yet.
I do have to say though, on the Cisco, the flavor was there from the moment I first took a puff, all the way from 3.3V's to 4.8V's. Adjusted the voltage only "amplified" the flavor and vapor, it didn't change it. Yet on this rda, really, I've at least been flickering the voltage up and down, trying different draw strengths, and nothing is "altering" the juice from the baseline that this set-up gives.
I mean, the only thing I can think of is that either microcoils do some extraordinary things for some juices out there (based on more heat area rather than simply relying on ohms for heat?) or that Kanthal ain't my cup o' coffee, or something. I mean, yes, this RDA is airy, and the air-flow ring seems loose and broken, but the Cisco wasn't the least airy thing I've ever vaped - it was actually quite airy beyond juice naturally cutting off some of the airflow at times.
This juice (and another juice I tried) is just a world full of wonder on the Cisco. It's possible that vaper's taste what I did on the Cisco on any normal set-up, but what I got on the Cisco wasn't normal vaping to me, it was... heaven really. The flavor was so full, so pure, so layered, so complex, and so lifelike that it reminded me of smoking on a real pipe, or eating a real bag of fruit, all sorts of things depending on juice to juice. Even my VCV juices finally came through with quite a bit of flavor!
Should I try sticking some cotton in the second air hole? Don't seem to have any tape on me....
And just to say, when I am indeed vaping, I do have the air hole positioned right in front of the coil. Haven't tried blocking the second hole yet.
I do have to say though, on the Cisco, the flavor was there from the moment I first took a puff, all the way from 3.3V's to 4.8V's. Adjusted the voltage only "amplified" the flavor and vapor, it didn't change it. Yet on this rda, really, I've at least been flickering the voltage up and down, trying different draw strengths, and nothing is "altering" the juice from the baseline that this set-up gives.
I mean, the only thing I can think of is that either microcoils do some extraordinary things for some juices out there (based on more heat area rather than simply relying on ohms for heat?) or that Kanthal ain't my cup o' coffee, or something. I mean, yes, this RDA is airy, and the air-flow ring seems loose and broken, but the Cisco wasn't the least airy thing I've ever vaped - it was actually quite airy beyond juice naturally cutting off some of the airflow at times.
This juice (and another juice I tried) is just a world full of wonder on the Cisco. It's possible that vaper's taste what I did on the Cisco on any normal set-up, but what I got on the Cisco wasn't normal vaping to me, it was... heaven really. The flavor was so full, so pure, so layered, so complex, and so lifelike that it reminded me of smoking on a real pipe, or eating a real bag of fruit, all sorts of things depending on juice to juice. Even my VCV juices finally came through with quite a bit of flavor!
Should I try sticking some cotton in the second air hole? Don't seem to have any tape on me....
One variable at a time. The first thing I'd do is block the second air hole. Use a toothpick. Shove the point in the hole, and break it off. Otherwise, a piece of tape will work.
Again...please read the mvp2 owners thread and you will learn so much about your wonderful new apv. Again, please pay attention to popus...you can trust his knowledge.
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I realize several of you are having fun here but before some of you get to sanctimonious, the MVP WILL run a .8ohm coil. I've done it and so have others. Several others statements here were also incorrect. It appears people are just repeating things they have read but have no real knoledge of. If you are going to be catty, at least be accurate.
Unless my eyes are deceiving me, that looks like pretty heavy wire. I'm guessing 28g or 30g. I find that even 28g is too heavy for VV/VW mods. 30g works much better. Also, the above posters are correct. A 1.1 ohm coil is too low for your device. The 3.0 amp limit will be reached at about 3.3 volts. It won't matter where you set your voltage, the device will set itself to 3.3 volts, which is the MVP's lowest. In order to enjoy the full range of voltage and wattage adjustment on your MVP, you'd be better off with a coil at 2.2 or 2.3 ohms.
Well, another thing is, one of the original gurus of ECF, Dusty, just gave me the advice to pretty much kick normal coils to the curb, that my experience with the Cisco, being a long-A microcoil, would probably have been the thing that, even at 3.5ohms, would have given me that huge flavor and complexity that I enjoy.
I'm not fore sure if Cisco's coil was a true microcoil, but the wraps were pretty much touching, from looking at it, I'd have said it had like 10 wraps, as a guess. Tiny diameter, ton of wraps, probably 30g, if not 32g.
I've made this same statement before on ECF and was ridiculed for it. But you know, the extra heating area makes sense. Just like I proposed. I'm still considering that it's also Cisco's specific form of NiChrome - they personally told me that they believe their version is one of the most excellent wires out there for specifically reacting with juice particles and delivering them at full intensity, just based on the specific metals that theirs is made from (missing aluminum, and all good such.)
I'll also see about building a higher-ohm normal coil, and seeing what I can do about the air holes. I'm searching all over the house for some tape or a toothpick, but I can't find nothing - just as a test though, I completely blocked off both airholes with the adjuster, and because it was still quite airy (faulty...), it allowed air inside, but didn't really change the taste at all. Still just a dull, syrupy taste. Almost no vapor either way.
My opinion though? I thought my local vendor, and the guy doing the complex mods, actually knew what he was doing, but he seems to have no experience with jack crap. This guy just takes the cake. He's never cleaned a tank or RDA in his life before using (for anyone who buys these, ya'll know that what can be cleaned out of them using rubbing alcohol is deathly black), he seemed to think I was nuts for not tasting much from his own set-up or the set-up he got for me today, and overall, the guy is starting to strike me just as a vendor employee who doesn't know two dingleberries out of a bottom about vaping.
You know what I think? I think that when folks taste this "muddy" flavor, that their tongues are so muted from smoking that this muddy flavor is what actually reaches their taste buds. For me? It just is so low and so stout that all I taste is mud. I need more of a lightly vaporized complexity because I actually have a very healthy tongue - I keep hydrated, I don't smoke all that much, I drink liquids that are tongue cleansers, and I also may be a supertaster. But on devices that don't give that full vaporization complexity? I just taste full, solid, muddy flavors!
And nasty chemicals if any single atom of the wire or tank is dirty....
I'm not fore sure if Cisco's coil was a true microcoil, but the wraps were pretty much touching, from looking at it, I'd have said it had like 10 wraps, as a guess. Tiny diameter, ton of wraps, probably 30g, if not 32g.
I've made this same statement before on ECF and was ridiculed for it. But you know, the extra heating area makes sense. Just like I proposed. I'm still considering that it's also Cisco's specific form of NiChrome - they personally told me that they believe their version is one of the most excellent wires out there for specifically reacting with juice particles and delivering them at full intensity, just based on the specific metals that theirs is made from (missing aluminum, and all good such.)
I'll also see about building a higher-ohm normal coil, and seeing what I can do about the air holes. I'm searching all over the house for some tape or a toothpick, but I can't find nothing - just as a test though, I completely blocked off both airholes with the adjuster, and because it was still quite airy (faulty...), it allowed air inside, but didn't really change the taste at all. Still just a dull, syrupy taste. Almost no vapor either way.
My opinion though? I thought my local vendor, and the guy doing the complex mods, actually knew what he was doing, but he seems to have no experience with jack crap. This guy just takes the cake. He's never cleaned a tank or RDA in his life before using (for anyone who buys these, ya'll know that what can be cleaned out of them using rubbing alcohol is deathly black), he seemed to think I was nuts for not tasting much from his own set-up or the set-up he got for me today, and overall, the guy is starting to strike me just as a vendor employee who doesn't know two dingleberries out of a bottom about vaping.
You know what I think? I think that when folks taste this "muddy" flavor, that their tongues are so muted from smoking that this muddy flavor is what actually reaches their taste buds. For me? It just is so low and so stout that all I taste is mud. I need more of a lightly vaporized complexity because I actually have a very healthy tongue - I keep hydrated, I don't smoke all that much, I drink liquids that are tongue cleansers, and I also may be a supertaster. But on devices that don't give that full vaporization complexity? I just taste full, solid, muddy flavors!
And nasty chemicals if any single atom of the wire or tank is dirty....
You started on a different thread you smoked a pack a day...I honestly think that is part of it.
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Read my post above, and just do it! The rest is BS. I don't believe, for a second, that Cisco uses any proprietary nichrome, available to no one but them. Nichrome is generically 80% nickel, 20% chrome. I know what I'm talking about. Build a 2.2 or 2.3 ohm coil with 30g wire. Block off one air hole. It will work.
So, because you couldn't taste anything on the employees PV, he doesn't know anything about vaping? How do you know he's never cleaned a tank or RDA at all? Sir, you are not him. You still smoke, and because of that, your tastebuds are effected, supertaster or not. You've been vaping for supposedly 4 years now, and in other threads have said that you have superhuman reasoning skills, so I can't understand why this is so hard. If 99% of the gear you use is malfunctioning, it can't all be the manufacturer, vendor, store employee, etc, that's to blame. I've only been vaping for maybe a 5 months, and when something goes wrong, the first question I ask myself is, "What did I do wrong?" Whether I did something wrong, (99%), or the device was faulty, (1%), I was able to reason through what was going on. Vaping isn't base particle string theory, you know......
Case in point, today at work my Davide tank was flooding badly. "What am I doing wrong?" After about 5 minutes of running though all the possibilities, ranging from global warming to the price of tea in China, I came to the realization of simple physics. It's cold outside. It's warm in my inside jacket pocket. When I leave my PV in my cruiser while it's running, there was no effect. If I shut my cruiser off, it got cold, and in physics, when gases get cold, they contract, (gets smaller). Then, when I grab my PV and put it in my inside coat pocket, it gets warm. When gases get warm, they expand, (gets bigger. Go ask Alice.). Since I had half a tank of fluid, the air in the tank was expanding and contracting from the extreme temperature changes, thus causing it to spew liquid like Old Faithful.
Now, I'm not sharing this story to steal the thunder of this thread, or drive it further off topic, I'm using it as a teaching example. I mean, if you pressed the fire button on the MVP and it didn't fire, would you just throw your hands up in the air and say, "Well gosh, I'm stumped. The device is defective! That shop employee is the son of a motherless donkey!" Or would you say, "Hey, that didn't work. Let me try pressing the button 3 times in rapid succession, maybe the device is off. Did I charge it? Maybe after I try the 3-press, I'll plug it in to rule that out as well....."
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Sometimes I do smoke a pack a day, but it's been awhile... now I only smoke about 8 cigarettes a day. And I've only been smoking for a few years, only heavier recently.
I didn't do anything wrong because he practically built the coil, sold me the RDA, and said it worked to him! He also told me he's never cleaned an RDA. That's where my reasoning skills are higher - I can't understand English.
He was claiming amazing flavor from a 1.1ohm coil that doesn't even work right on an MVP2, said he's never cleaned a tank before, and thinks that normal wrapped coils are the shiznit, and sold me an RDA with a broken airflow controller. Yeah, knows nothing about vaping. Hate to tell ya.
And yeah, Dusty told me that I may be the guy who just likes NiChrome, and may be the guy who just likes microcoils, because to him, he had direct experiences that microcoils work in an entirely different way. Argue with that all you want to. He didn't say jack crap about airflow, because airflow doesn't effect the way flavor is vaporized from the coil, just the intensity of it. The flavor will be the same regardless.
If a coil isn't good at vaporizing a certain juice, it's not going to be good at it wether you cut off all the airflow, or make a precise air stream, or have gaping airflow. Lol if any old coil works fine, then what, wouldn't we wrap a coil just once to make it easier on us? For christ's sakes. No wonder this forum argues with me so much - they seem to have the knowledge level of that dunce in the shop.
If you guys want to step into my shoes, smoke like 8 cigarettes a day, build a normal wrap coil, don't torch it, don't clean your new RDA, build it to funky proportions, all that stuff, and use a complex juice that you know should be complex or else it doesn't taste good at all, and see if you get a good result from it. Bet you won't. No matter how much you drill and nill around.
You may taste some cheap strawberry juice like it's supposed to be. Best case scenario. I don't vape that mess. I vape complex, thick, high-quality juices that have a ton of various between coil makes and models. If I wanted to vape cheap juice, I'd do so. Actually, I have been doing so. Cheap juice on a cheap iClear 30. Works better than the RDA with a simple, ultimately faulty coil that can't do jack crap for a rather gourmet juice.
Yes, a thin, strawberry juice from China would probably work amazingly on this little dunce coil. Gourmet juices? No. Ya'll need to get some sense and stop trying to start an argument with me.
He was claiming amazing flavor from a 1.1ohm coil that doesn't even work right on an MVP2, said he's never cleaned a tank before, and thinks that normal wrapped coils are the shiznit, and sold me an RDA with a broken airflow controller. Yeah, knows nothing about vaping. Hate to tell ya.
And yeah, Dusty told me that I may be the guy who just likes NiChrome, and may be the guy who just likes microcoils, because to him, he had direct experiences that microcoils work in an entirely different way. Argue with that all you want to. He didn't say jack crap about airflow, because airflow doesn't effect the way flavor is vaporized from the coil, just the intensity of it. The flavor will be the same regardless.
If a coil isn't good at vaporizing a certain juice, it's not going to be good at it wether you cut off all the airflow, or make a precise air stream, or have gaping airflow. Lol if any old coil works fine, then what, wouldn't we wrap a coil just once to make it easier on us? For christ's sakes. No wonder this forum argues with me so much - they seem to have the knowledge level of that dunce in the shop.
If you guys want to step into my shoes, smoke like 8 cigarettes a day, build a normal wrap coil, don't torch it, don't clean your new RDA, build it to funky proportions, all that stuff, and use a complex juice that you know should be complex or else it doesn't taste good at all, and see if you get a good result from it. Bet you won't. No matter how much you drill and nill around.
You may taste some cheap strawberry juice like it's supposed to be. Best case scenario. I don't vape that mess. I vape complex, thick, high-quality juices that have a ton of various between coil makes and models. If I wanted to vape cheap juice, I'd do so. Actually, I have been doing so. Cheap juice on a cheap iClear 30. Works better than the RDA with a simple, ultimately faulty coil that can't do jack crap for a rather gourmet juice.
Yes, a thin, strawberry juice from China would probably work amazingly on this little dunce coil. Gourmet juices? No. Ya'll need to get some sense and stop trying to start an argument with me.
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Ok, I'll give you the part about never cleaning an RDA. I'm waiting for my RDA to come in the mail, but I do know that it's probably beneficial to clean it every so often.
You're saying it doesn't work right on your MVP because you are getting a bad taste, right? Also, did he try it on your MVP, or was another PV used for this test. I ask because this would help answer some questions. If it worked on the shop PV, and not with your MVP, then there is an issue. But if he tested it on your MVP, said it tasted fine, then the issue is most likely with you, and not the gear. Hate to tell ya.
What kind of tanks are we talking here, Davides or Ce4's? Ce4's, I've never cleaned either. They're cheap, and very disposable. Davide, I clean all the time, but it cost roughly 4 times the price of a Ce4.
To him, maybe they are. Quite a few people here like GLV's Deadly Sin. I can't stand it. Does that make me right and everyone else wrong?
I'm assuming he built the coil in front of you, with you watching, right? Did you see any defects at that time? At the very least, you did inspect the device for defects before you purchased it, right? If not, that's on you, buddy, you can only blame yourself for buying defective gear.
I forgot I was talking to the Vape Master.
This is pretty funny.
Block your second airhole off.
Put your atty on a mechanical device, or wrap a new coil above 1.2ohm.
Your MVP will not fire that coil properly.
Will it work, yes. But the device won't regulate properly at 1.1ohm.
Truth. Lower resistance is not always better. I'm my limited experience, that is the sweet spot for VV/VW mods with the possible exception of DNA 20 units.
OK... in all fairness, Dusty was addressing your coil... and yes, DustyD is quite knowledgeable but he was only addressing your coil issue, so...
Airflow does have an impact on flavor and harshness. How much depends on other factors too, but for the sake of argument, read this thread that came up over the summer. I chose this one only for the fact that it was the first one to pop up on a search.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-pop-crackle-like-crazy-mini-explosions.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ml?highlight=above+below+airhole#post11453505
It's been discussed in quite a few micro-coil threads with pretty much the same results. Coil too high over the airhole results in muted flavors and harsh throat-hit... too low, to the point of touching the liquid and you are basically boiling (not efficiently vaporizing) the liquid and again, flavor suffers.
It's a balancing act. Don't set the coil so low that it is touching the juice in the well, the juice is basically just acting as a heat-sink and the coil isn't reaching the desired heat to vaporize the juice. Don't stuff your wick tails under the coil either, practically the same as setting the coil in the liquid.
Plug the air hole on the opposite side of the coil, that is doing nothing but diluting your air/vapor mix and robbing the air hole that is next to the coil. when you vape, the coil/air hole should be facing up, not down or to one side or another.
Give it a try and report your results.
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Here is a good read too... LONG, but full of info and you can basically see the evolution of the micro-coil.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...271-micro-coils-increase-vapor-flavor-th.html
And BTW... ^THIS THREAD^ is a shining example of how many minds working together can overcome many issues.
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GoodNews, I was just defending you on an earlier thread. I don't have time to follow people around, but I thought I'd see what you're up to since you stand out so thoroughly on ECF. Again, (and this is the last time I plan to say it) vaping instead of smoking is HARD WORK! If your Cisco works great, use it on the side while you search for better options. In the meantime, muted taste, vape not tasting like smoke, gurgling, dry hits, and everything else under the sun is something we all deal with. No one is ridiculing you for posting statements and opinions. They get mad because you ignore other opinions or claim that science, the mods, or clairvoyance of experienced vapers support you.
Trust me, my point in this post is not to bash you. It's simply to state that "vaping instead of smoking is hard work" (and to help you to be a successful ECF member). I used ecigs for over 6 months, and never got the perfect vape. I'm dissatisfied now, but I stick with it. About a year and a half ago, I was out hiking, alternating smoking with vaping, and had a pack and a half of cigarettes left. Next to a pond in the middle of nowhere, I sat looking at some frogs and decided that I would finish the half pack that day. I did that at roughly 10:00pm that night, and I've still got the unopened pack in the glove box of my car. It took a lot of effort, though.
The other part to this is that if you're still smoking, you're "doing it wrong". Smoking affects taste, as others have told you. As I've said, I've been off cigs for about a year and a half. I still have screwed up taste and smell. Some things I don't taste/smell at all, and some I can taste/smell at "super" levels. I remain convinced that there is a dead mouse (or something) somewhere in my house, but my nonsmoking wife can't smell anything. Go figure.
GN, I honestly wish that you find your perfect vape. On the other hand, I don't think there is one. What I do have hope for you is that you find one sufficient for you to quit the cigarettes. I feel your pain, but you also need to kick some ... yourself to succeed.
On a final note, I've been snarky with you myself once or twice. I apologize for that. Here's to hoping we can be friends.
Not going to argue about microcoils. Airflow, on the other hand, has everything to do with taste. It's because of a widely accepted theory called fluid dynamics. You see, if you have little airflow, you are inhaling almost pure vapor, and the taste should be almost that of tasting it right from the bottle. Please don't try drinking from the bottle, it's not recommended. Now, if you have wide open airflow on that same coil, the vapor will be disbursed in with the air, creating a weaker vapor at the inhale. Less vapor equals less taste.
I'd rather not step into your shoes, they're smelly and look funny. Currently I do smoke, but I do smoke more than you. But I know that because of that, my taste is not what it should be when it comes to tasting juices, (ecig juice, not OJ). Anyway, I'm pretty much on par with you from the get-go. But that's where the similarities end. When I would build a normal coil, following the advice of countless members on this fine forum, I would first clean my RDA to make sure all machining poop, oil and whatnot, was removed. Secondly, I would torch the coil, since that's what people more experienced than you, and I, recommend. And, I bet I would get a decent vape out of it. Several hundred members have done the exact thing I have just written with good results, so they all can't be wrong.
Lose the arrogance, and maybe people wouldn't be so inclined to prove you wrong. But the funny part is, there are many, many members here who are trying to help you, giving you the same advice time and time again, yet you continually disregard it. Now who doesn't have any sense, those that try to help you, or you for disregarding the help?
Edit - I just realized something, this is my 300th post, on the nose even! At least I got to work fluid dynamics into it, been holding that one for quite a while now....
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