So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[highping]

a2d: defiantly can't help you with that one...i do tongue drops sometimes I know I'm a nic fiend, but I'm here lookin' to change that a little. (But what you're sayin' sounds logical)

everyone: so I'm looking at swedishsnus.com (if TB says swedish, i'm gettin' swedish) they have a some buy-n-try 4 and 8 packs...question, they have loose and mini.. what do I want?

 

[frankie1]

DVap: Thank you for your patience! I really appreciate the effort you (and others) have put into this. You may have REALLY saved me a lot of health problems. I simply was failing at cutting out the smokes and I think this information may indeed be the answer I need. I have my peach snus soaking in peach liquid...hmmmmmmmmm I may put some tobacco flavored in tobacco flavored nic liq! LOL

 

[DVap]

Ok one more brain strain. I have mentioned that I have a bad response to high nic levels. What I have noticed recently is that even though I use latex gloves while mixing my potions. I don't wear gloves when topping off or general cart maintenance. I think I am getting more skin contact than I had thought. MY unscientific theory is that even though I am working with 24mg liquid while handling the carts I am getting too much absorbed through my fingers. Maybe even more than I receive through vaping? Since the skin absorbsion is probably the whole 24mg/ml which is a lot more than I get by vaping 24mg?

Possibly I could tollerate more nic in my juice if I kept my skin contact to near zero? Is it possible that the skin cantact is hitting my blood stream and my bodies reaction to this intrusion is more significant than through vapor contact through my mouth and airways?

I know more questions, sorry.

I think the skin contact with 24 mg isn't that significant, especially if you wipe it off in any reasonable time. 24 mg is 2.4 percent nicotine encapsulated in 97.6% PG. That high PG percentage does a lot to screen the nicotine from intimate skin contact.

If you still suspect or even worry about a problem, wash your hands after contact. At the very least you might get fewer colds, and at best, it could help you with the sensitivity.

 

[frankie1]

highping: You want the portions. I am using the 4G ones because they are small and fit in the 801 cartridge.

 

[frankie1]

YAY!! I got one right!

 

[highping]

highping: You want the portions. I am using the 4G ones because they are small and fit in the 801 cartridge.

Thanks... I'll have to look more tomorrow just realized it's 1am, gotta be up for stupid work in about 5 hours.

Anyway the ones I'm seeing on that site are 6g and 10g. I'll look more tomorrow. I'll check back here first in case someone throws out some suggestions between now and then.

Thanks to all for the welcome!

 

[a2dcovert]

I think the skin contact with 24 mg isn't that significant, especially if you wipe it off in any reasonable time. 24 mg is 2.4 percent nicotine encapsulated in 97.6% PG. That high PG percentage does a lot to screen the nicotine from intimate skin contact.

If you still suspect or even worry about a problem, wash your hands after contact. At the very least you might get fewer colds, and at best, it could help you with the sensitivity.

That makes me feel better, I do keep a pack of baby wipes handy and wash frequently as well as wash my hands. I just wish I could keep this thin line I'm walking a little wider. I had a gurd attack again yesterday morning and I was trying to figure out what I had done differently. Let me tell you, GERD isn't funny to a guy who has experienced angina prior to bypass surgery. I can't tell the difference in the symptoms. I've told my friends that I know I will die from a heart attack because I will think it is just another GERD attack. I'm already taking the max dose of Zegred to stop the acid but it doesn't work when I cross over the nic line.

Thanks to you too Franky1 and highping.

 

[frankie1]

Highping: These are the ones I ordered and they do fit an 801 cartridge:

The Northerner, White Mini Portion Snus

 

[Vaporer]

highping, I use Northerner regularly. I like thier layout and you can get $5 shipping on an order. So for abt $20 you can get 5 diff kinds and strengths.

Portions are what you will want, not loose. White is dryer than standard and minis are smaller portions.
Clicking on an item you can see the nic content, flavor, comments and much more.
Average nic seems to be in the 8mg range. They have it as high as 17mg in the strong or "sterk" type. If it has an American flag by it it will ship from the US warehouse. You want this not overseas shipping and a long wait. I get my orders in abt 3 days.

With the levels you posted that your patches were you may want 1 strong , a couple in the 10-12mg and one in the 8mg range. You seem to be a high nic level user.

Here's my oddity........I vape 18-24mg eliquid and I use to smoke ultra light menthols. So far out of abt 10 types and strengths of snus the one that curbs the itch is Thunder Frosted Strong 17mg nic. It must have the level of alkaloids I am accustomed to. If you went back through the thread and all the math on usage, adsorption, I should be content with 6-8mg. I havent found one yet that does it. Not even in the 10-12mg range. I have to contend that the stronger nic type also contains more alkaloid since I don't need that level of nicotine.

You can get Discreet and Camel snus from local places, but they dont really compare to Swedish but might be good for a test run. They are in the 8mg range.
There is also a snus thread in the smokeless area on the forum. I don't have it bookmarked. Sorry.

Hope that helps you get started.

 

[kwcharlie]

Highping: These are the ones I ordered and they do fit an 801 cartridge:

The Northerner, White Mini Portion Snus

They will fit in a 510 if you cut about 3mm off and put that end in first, have to top off a LOT but been using for a week.
Welcome to the real zoo HP

 

[Mister]

So are you all saying that you can vape 48-60mg all day and then smoke a cig and feel something (anything) from it???

Yes, I say that. With one modification. I vaped my way up to 40mg (not 48-60) and found that I was definitely a bit OD'd on nicotine. But I still wanted something and I'd have a cigarette at that point and feel better. It added a bit to the sweatiness and elevated heart but it made me feel better. So yes, I've been to that exact place. I subsequently of course learned I was happy with a lower nic level in my juice (I've settled in at about 30mg) and a few cigarettes a day. And recently I've completely replaced those few cigarettes a day with a few snus a day and I feel better again.

Edit: Whups, I posted above when I read your post which I quoted. I see now that there's been a lot of activity and you're already looking into snus. Definitely you want portions as a first time user. And though I'm new to snus I've learned that the whites are better for my purposes. The older kind (wetted, non-white) don't last many days once opened, even in a fridge, before going bad in taste.

 

[TropicalBob]

Many congratulations, Mister.

A few words on snus: My favorite to use is the Wine&Dine Chef, which is a tasteless portion that fits in my 801 cart. This is rated at 6mg, but something done to it causes a far quicker and harder nicotine impact than just about any other snus. This observation has been repeated by many at snuson.com -- and it certainly is my experience. I've overdosed on this snus twice to the point of being incapacitated!

Wine&Dine is what's called a "purified" snus. It has TSNA levels lower than any of Big Pharmaceutical's NRT products. Being tasteless, it allows me to control the flavor, based on the liquid I soak it in before inserting it into the cart.

Fold it in half lengthwise and insert into the cart.

There are three excellent places to look over and buy snus: Northerner, getsnus.com and buysnus.com

I also like the flavor of the General Mini Mint and the fruit flavors from Discreet.

Depending on the snus, I can soak in either tasteless or flavored e-liquid.

Now, here's a note: I spent time on the phone yesterday with a Really Important Man who has been lab testing soaked snus for e-cigs. Yep. While he won't divulge all the results, the bottom line is that soaked snus delivered 60% of the nicotine delivered by a high-nic commercial cart in comparable vapor volume.

I was fascinated by that. The soaking was done with a liquid not containing nicotine, so we can kick the total delivered nicotine up by increasing strength in an e-liquid chosen for the soak. That has encouraged me to try some 18mg, some 36mg, some 48mg. I will soak a mini white snus portion in the liquid/flavor of choice and see what happens.

Of course, how much we actually absorb is another topic.

The BIG deal is fitting a portion/pouch into a cart. The smaller the better. Control any resulting low nic level by using high-nic liquid for the soak.

P.S. Need I say that a person can use a snus in the intended way, between cheek and gum, while e-smoking a liquid of their strength choice AT THE SAME TIME. No law against it. Yet. You get nicotine satisfaction plus the visuals of e-smoking.

 

[a2dcovert]

TB, the Discrete Nordic Ice snus packets measure 30mm x 12mm x 4mm. Is this a mini or a normal portion? I'm trying to see if there is going to be room in my 510 carts to use the snus the way you do.

 

[Vaporer]

a2d,
I measured my snus portions to give you a reference.
I first kneaded the portion and made it as uniform as possible prior to measurement.

1. Discreet - 28 x 12 x 3mm
2. General White - 33 x 16 x 4.5mm
3. General White Mini - 30 x 13 x 3mm

On the length, 2mm can easily be trimmed off due to the large sealing width of paper.
(1mm on each end)

Hope that helps.

Edit: I used calipers to measure and didnt compress the portion. If compressed you could take 1mm off the thickness

 

[frankie1]

I put a couple of snus in 24mg juice last night and let it soak. I am dripping the resulting soaked liquid directly onto my atty and, so far, it seems to be working pretty well. I don't have a clue what I am actually getting or if I might gunk the atty, but it does seem to be scratching the itch!

Can anyone venture a guess as to how long it would be OK to leave a snus in liquid and then vape the liquid? Does snus go bad or mold? Or will the nic evaporate?

 

[Vaporer]

frankie1,
Sounds like you are doing ok. Good test. I had abt the same results with the batch that had been soaked for weeks and was dark brown. I did filter it with a coffee filter prior to vaping. Squeezing the last out seems to push some fine particulate through the portion material. I had the same effect you describe. Something better than just eliquid, but not as good as WTA. Thats what is expected though. It does soothe the itch some.

I just made a fresh batch of 48mg PG flavorless in a 50/50 with VG. I'm going for a 4hr soak with 1 Ettan original portion that will be 24mg. I plan on agitating it occasionally and when a decent color is present removing the pouch, filter and vape test then.

Just keep in mind that the darker the color the more likely you have more gunk depositing material. If it gets darker than I expect before the 4 hr time is up, I'll remove it then and note the time and effects. If any. I am going for the lightest color that still has an effect. To be fair the same snus shold be used for all tests, but I dont have that option at the moment, but I should be able to get a ballpark range and you should too!

The white portions are considered dry and dont pose much of a problem. Original portions can go bad if not kept cool. Thats a better question for TBob, OTD, Stubby or a more experienced snuser than I am.

Good job!

 

[frankie1]

I was thinking .... if I took a half empty bottle of liquid and put as many portions as I could in it and stored it in the fridge....hmmm might try that! I used the white portions of Discreet. It doesn't fully satisfy so far (but that may be just the formula I am using...probably needs tweaking some) but it is better than just eliquid. Then, once I figure out how long to soak the snus, take them out, pop the cap back on and drip as usual!

 

[frankie1]

I could use one of the PTB's I have saved and pour it through one of those little funnels...that should filter most sediment! On second thought, I could put a piece between the bottle and the drip stopper and filter as I go!

 

[a2dcovert]

a2d,
I measured my snus portions to give you a reference.
I first kneaded the portion and made it as uniform as possible prior to measurement.

1. Discreet - 28 x 12 x 3mm
2. General White - 33 x 16 x 4.5mm
3. General White Mini - 30 x 13 x 3mm

On the length, 2mm can easily be trimmed off due to the large sealing width of paper.
(1mm on each end)

Hope that helps.

Edit: I used calipers to measure and didnt compress the portion. If compressed you could take 1mm off the thickness

Thanks for that Vaporer. That's what I needed to know. If Santa has any money left I may have to invest in an 801 adapter and atomizers. I like the idea of being able to soak the portion and just stick it into a cart. It looks like that will not be possible with the 510 cart.

 

[TropicalBob]

I've not been able to use my 510 cart with any snus except a new test variety that is not yet on the market (portions are the size of Chiclet chewing gum).