So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[Vaporer]

frankie1, I actually had the same idea with a coffee filter. Great minds think alike ...lol
I was going to cut an oversize disk of paper , kinda make it funnel shaped, insert it in the bottle and snap the drip nozzle back on. Should work fine.
PG is a great disinfectant and no nic should evaporate. I wouldnt be concerned abt that.

a2d,
The only thing abt having it in the cart all the time is it might get to the point of reaching the gunk release time. All we can do is test and report on different situations.
The bottle method allows for any cart. The long continous soak in the cart could be a slow feed, topping off and work well to. Never know till ya try.

My 1 hr soak , agitated every 15 min, is a nice yellow color starting to go amber. I think I'll cut this one off at 2hrs and remove the portion.

 

[a2dcovert]

frankie1, I actually had the same idea with a coffee filter. Great minds think alike ...lol
I was going to cut an oversize disk of paper , kinda make it funnel shaped, insert it in the bottle and snap the drip nozzle back on. Should work fine.
PG is a great disinfectant and no nic should evaporate. I wouldnt be concerned abt that.

a2d,
The only thing abt having it in the cart all the time is it might get to the point of reaching the gunk release time. All we can do is test and report on different situations.
The bottle method allows for any cart. The long continous soak in the cart could be a slow feed, topping off and work well to. Never know till ya try.

My 1 hr soak , agitated every 15 min, is a nice yellow color starting to go amber. I think I'll cut this one off at 2hrs and remove the portion.

Thanks Vaporer, I guess I will continue on with the process I did the first time which was to do the soak and transfer the liquid. I do kind of like the idea of transferring the liquid, filtering it, and then using is as nic juice in one of my standard carts. When I squeezed the portion some very dark grandular substance did seep through the snus's bag. That might be an atty killer.

Frankie1's idea of a coffee filter sounds good.

My next question, when I make my next batch how much liquid per portion should I use?

 

[frankie1]

I put 2 portions (white, discreet mini) in about 1.5 ML 24mg and it is scratching the itch quite nicely. This has definitely reduced my need for an analog!

 

[frankie1]

I soaked overnight and the liquid is pretty dark. I haven't filtered this batch. I am using a pretty old atty and am not worried about losing it, so I thought I would try without filtering first. I didn't squeeze the portions though. Just soaked them and threw them out when I thought it was long enough.

 

[Vaporer]

Great to hear frankie1! Nice to know its working for you and you are getting some satisfaction in more than one way.

That will be the hardest part to figure a2d. How much per ml. As with all our discoveries it may be diff for each. We each may have our best recipie for us as individuals.
I know mines gonna be weak on this batch. I used 5ml of liquid an just 1 Ettan portion (8mg) I think.
Its just now at the 2 hr mark and ready to come out. Its abt the color of the pic that DVap posted, but cloudy, especially when agitated. I'll knead the portion as I remove it with tweezers and probably have abt 4ml of 24mg of slightly enhanced liquid.
A good starting point and enough to vape this evening and see if I vape less, need the snus as much and so forth. I would have been better off with 2 portions, but would have had less free liquid to test. Or if I had my Thunder here, it would have been 17mg not 8mg with just a single.

My "plan" is to have enough liquid to vape for an evening. Alkaloids are longer lived in the system than nicotine so I can rate how the evening goes. There should be some accumulation factor. Not just how I feel from 1 cart of vaping.

This is good. Anyone wanting to particpate can on this kind of testing, getting involved and not just sitting waiting on results wondering if it will work for them. I like it!

TBob, chicklet snus? Sounds funny, but it does have a market for those that feel uncomfortable with larger portions in. Whats the strength of it if I may ask? At that size, it could be a big benefit to soaking since there would be less liquid lost and the strength be the same as a regular portion.

 

[frankie1]

Vaporer: I wonder if I would get more alkaloids by squeezing the portions? I also wonder if I get less gunk by not squeezing? If I can get enough alkaloids and less gunk without squeezing, the cost is not that much to just let it soak and not squeeze the portions. This little experiment may take a while to figure out what is best....LOL

 

[jenn5366]

anyone tried dripping?

 

[jenn5366]

or dipping? what is the dipping method?

 

[frankie1]

anyone tried dripping?

That is what I am trying Jenn. I am soaking a snus and dripping the resulting liquid.

 

[a2dcovert]

I'm going to have to get a little bigger graduated cylinder. The one I have has the capacity of 10ml but it is hard to work with in small batches because the fluid level is concaved due to the viscosity and my older eyes are having trouble getting acurate readings.

I thought about converting the ml readings in the receipe to "drops" but do drop sizes change with viscosity too.

 

[a2dcovert]

or dipping? what is the dipping method?

Hi jenn5366,

Dipping is done with atomizers that are exposed. Others like the 510 are enclosed atomizers and have to work via the dripping method.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Holy shamoly, I miss all the good stuff.....Hi, Highping and welcome to the neighborhood. I agree, it's a very long thread and, at this point, only the hardiest die-hards are gonna be able to absorb all it contains. Some of it may inspire a "well, I knew that" thought, but let me assure you, just like a crime scene, all insignificant and significant elements have been tossed around and we're now in uncharted waters . As far as nic..eh, I vape a range of 36-48mg and a rare 75 during full moons, so as you can see, "something must be missing" if that's not cuttin' it. Stay tuned and jump in any time, your presence is appreciated .
DVap, back in black, I see . I take it the mrs. has already given up on you, since she was already aware of your secret superpowers aimed at saving humanity. Good, but let her know we're willing to share. Don't want any of that "I married you, not your work" stuff goin' down.
Vaporer, just a thought, TBob reported the VG soak was not so soaked. Pretty thick stuff. Have you thought about cutting out the VG in your soup? PG, being thinner, may give a more efficient soak due to less liquid needed and less soak time. You, TB and a2d are my hand in this. My home is inhabited by my unmarried kids (ranges toddler to teen), my non-smoking karate wife, my dog and, 5 of 7 days a week, my grandkids (range infant to adolesant). No where is safe. Work is tobacco free, not allowed in any form. Thought I might clarify why I haven't joined in the testing...probably didn't need to, but hey. Also, V, it amazes me you prefer the 17mg snus. I don't think I could, the 8mg seems about right, maybe somewhat low, but I just ordered some 13 mg snus and I anticipate that to be plenty high. Wild, how we vary so much .
Frankie1, good to hear from you. I know you've been keeping up, but it's always nice when you chime in .
TB, I'm glad you're contributing here. I think of you as a nicotine molecule with eyes . I don't imagine there are many bridges you haven't crossed. Just last night I was reading through some of your old posts detailing your adventures in nic extraction. Didn't sound pretty . You added a new dimension to this novel .

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I thought about converting the ml readings in the receipe to "drops" but do drop sizes change with viscosity too.

I'm glad you noticed this. Most people around here accept the ml as 20 drops or 30 drops.... Not so.

 

[Vaporer]

a2d, better to stick with ml. Viscosity has a great deal to do with drop size and droppers vary. The small ones like in the JC 3 ml bottles are about 30 drops per ml. Pharmacy standard is 20 per ml. Want to see a diff? Try 20 drops of water and 20 of VG in the graduated cylinder and look at the volume diff. Just read the bottom of the "bow" in the cylinder. Thats the miniscus. The edge crawling is more evident in narrower tubes.

My 2 hr soak was almost to much. Its dark when I had to force the portion out of the small neck. The dregs did pour out too. Not quite 2x ad dark as Dvaps pic of golden WTA.
You could see particles coming out though just as they would as if squeezing. There's a bit of sediment in the bottle now. 3.75ml recovered from the 5 I started with. I went with a 50/50 mix to start just to make sure I had more than one solvent extracting and it gives me some vapor too since i had to dilute the 48mg anyway. I'd feel like I was leaving the good stuff in the bag if I didnt squeeze it or knead it somehow.

TV, nothing satisfies so far as well as the Thunder Frosted Strong. For me , its in a class by its self. I vape abt 1 - 1 1/2ml a day with it. Just abt like WTA vaping levels. I have a bunch coming.

Welcome to the thread Jenn.

 

[a2dcovert]

I'm glad you noticed this. Most people around here accept the ml as 20 drops or 30 drops.... Not so.

Yep, that's what I figured. I have another problem mixing juice, when it comes to VG I can't seem to get the last 2mm to pour out of the cylinder. So do I add 2ml more VG knowing that the last 2ml will stay in the cylinder? Just ranting, never had to deal with thick liquids before I started mixing nic juice.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Yep, that's what I figured. I have another problem mixing juice, when it comes to VG I can't seem to get the last 2mm to pour out of the cylinder. So do I add 2ml more VG knowing that the last 2ml will stay in the cylinder? Just ranting, never had to deal with thick liquids before I started mixing nic juice.

If you add 2 extra your solution will be more diluted, go to the local farm store and pick up a syringe with a needle, that should get all but a drop or two out .

 

[a2dcovert]

Yea, I know. I was just complaining.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Complaint Dept: Closed

 

[a2dcovert]

Looks like you closed the whole thing TV.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Guess so . 'spose I'll go do a little work, then. Now you watch, I'll be outta here in an hour, then all the kids will wanna come over and play. Sat-Mon will be 4pm-4am shifts. Hope someone shows up. I don't like the echo this place has .