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Hi--i've been trying to switch to e cigarettes for about 2 months. I must be doing something wrong since the e cig gets such great reviews. I smoked Newport or Kool for 40 years. I purchased Green Smoke menthol 16mg (the highest) and i don't feel like i'm getting any nicotine--i used menthol drops from e juicy liquid--taste menthol but no sense of getting any nicotine--I then got puresmoker 36 mg and I still get no nicotine kick--am i missing something--i'd really like to switch from analog--any advice on how to get a menthol strong nicotine experience--thanks for any help!
Man...You guys "Own" this thread too!!(Gratuitous plug from)The Wiz!
Amazing lack of control without proper supervision
Weeell, it was New Years and we were a leetle OT, but it's not our fault!
As TV said, we've not had proper supervision!
Hi nicholas, and welcome. If you're using 36mg and still feeling a crave, odds are that you need more than the nicotine. The e-liquid we use is just the stripped nic molecule, so it doesn't contain the alkaloids that bring on the calming effect of a cigarette. That's been the focus of this thread and DVap has processed some tobacco to develop an e-liquid containing these alkaloids to prove out the theory of what's missing for some of us. Unfortunately, to produce such a liquid requires the use of a chemist with a good working knowledge of alkaloid extraction and expensive equipment. DVap is trying to develop a method regular folks can use, but so far, there's too many technicalities to lay out a simple recipe. He doesn't give up easily, though. Until something comes along for us who are dependent on more than the nic itself Swedish snus has been the key to staying off the smokes. It's spitless, powerful and has an abundance of the alkaloids we need. As far as the menthol goes, hopefully Vaporer will weigh-in on that, as he's a big menthol fan. And while you're waiting, you might check out the Smokeless Tobacco sub here on the forum
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Good morning nicholas
The jury is still out regarding how much nicotine a body actually gets from the vapor. Some pretty knowledgeable folks are currently doing a variety of individual testing trying to get a handle on the nicotine delivery. Several threads regarding the pharmacology here in the Nicotine forum such as this thread, minus the silly bits such as last night, and others that might be of interest to you.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...otine-destroyed-during-vaping.html#post779002
I'd list more but it is the day after and I'm fogged
Folks using e-cigs have a huge variety of experience's with respect to how well they work and how long they take to get off of smokes.
The one bit of advice that I can offer is make sure that you don't pressure yourself regarding the quitting aspect.
Regardless the length of time, a common theme amongst those who have quit is that the use of cigarettes dropped over time and all of sudden they realize they no longer want them at all. A few weeks, a few months.
I myself was down to a couple smokes a week for several months.Using snus along with the vape is what it took for me to finally quit completely.
Whats UP Vaper World!!Mr.Smoke here,I think you can vape as high as you want to.
Not to HIGH.But you can vape a 48 or 56.The reason I say that is because I've been vaping for two and a half years.I know you can vape over 36mg.But only people who vape 24 or 36mg.You have to build a TOLERENCE for it.WARNING!!!! DO NOT START VAPING OVER 36MG IF YOU ARE ONLY VAPING 18mg AND UNDER.AND IF YOU WANT TO TRY OVER 36mg GO UP SLOWLY IN MGS. (SLOWLY!!)
Not to HIGH.But you can vape a 48 or 56.The reason I say that is because I've been vaping for two and a half years.I know you can vape over 36mg.But only people who vape 24 or 36mg.You have to build a TOLERENCE for it.WARNING!!!! DO NOT START VAPING OVER 36MG IF YOU ARE ONLY VAPING 18mg AND UNDER.AND IF YOU WANT TO TRY OVER 36mg GO UP SLOWLY IN MGS. (SLOWLY!!)
Happy New Year, Everyone!
I spent the past 3 days reading through this entire thread...all 1600 plus posts. This is probably the most excellent discussion I have ever read on smoking. It is so refreshing to read the comments and observations by people who understand this issue, as opposed to those who are mystified why we simply lack willpower in the face of so many NRTs out there.
I have smoked for more than 40 years, 1.5 packs a day. I have been analog free for 20 days, since I first puffed on a 510. Like some here, I "fell in love" with being analog-free with no suffering. This is the first time this ever happened to me, and it is the first time I have ever been able to enjoy or understand what it means to be tobacco-free. The longest I ever quit before was 10 days (accupuncture, that time), and I was climbing the walls the whole time before I finally just picked up cigarettes again so I could function like a normal human being again.
Having said that...yes -- I do understand that my first blush of new-found freedom from the big T could well diminish into groping for something that just isn't there. I am feeling twinges of it already, but so far it's controllable. I am new to this, though, and completely aware that I am thoroughly addicted to whatever tobacco provides. So, I am cautious. Reading through this thread was sobering.
Not to take away from the excellent observations and deductions by the many people on this thread, I will state that I have long suspected that there was something more than just nicotine that I needed from cigarettes. Why else, in the face of my strong will and repeated use of patches and gum (and stupid replacement of a straw for the hand-mouth action), did I always yearn for -- and require -- that cigarette? I am self-employed, with a professional degree, and generally viewed as a goal-oriented and successful person. It is so disconcerting when a well-meaning client or friend looks at me and asks: "Why does an intelligent woman like you smoke?" My definant answer was always: "Because I enjoy it, and it is what I want to do."
Now that I have been off analogs for almost 3 weeks and I am not climbing the walls or curled up in a fetal position, and I can now actually perceive what life might be like tobacco-free, I know what the truthful answer was: "Because I cannot even imagine life worth living, or experiencing happiness, without a cigarette in my hand, or at least readily available in my purse. Big Tobacco owns me, and I am willing to die for them."
My sister has schizophrenia, so brain chemistry disorders definitely run in my family. Many years ago, my sister was put on a then-experimental drug that had astounding results. She slowly came out of her fog and described it as cobwebs being vaccuumed from her brain. Sadly, after several years, she deteriorated back into her particular madness, and the medical community concluded that while this drug had positive results for a while, the users' brains developed a resistance to it and the drug's efficacy was only temporary. I am very concerned that the e-cig could be my temporary cure, effective just enough to show me the possibilities, but not enough to be a permanant solution.
This thread is a godsend to me. It has been so uplifting to read the intelligent conversation of people who truly understand the issues, and who don't toss us smokers into an area that falls someplace between the lepers and the terrorists. Someone on this thread said at some point that "tobacco is the perfect drug." I think this is true. Every smoker's brain and physiology extracts from tobacco what it needs or wants. There is no one magic bullet that will work for everyone in kicking the monkey. I do believe, however, that DVap's work is heading in the right direction, and I am paying attention.
I wish I had something to offer all of you in return for the education and relief I found on this thread, but I have no meaningful science background or special knowledge. I do have a very close friend who is a cardiologist, and a very good social acquaintance who is both a MD (Internist) and a Ph.D in biochemistry. DVag, I am certain both of them would be willing to help with any input if it is requested. (Congrats, DVag, BTW, on your wedding.)
Tropical Bob -- I am ordering some swedish snus today, to keep on hand... just in case. Does anyone know the shelf life of snus?
A2dconvert -- I am sorry to read about the setback, but I don't think it should be viewed as a failure. "Failure" is when there is total resignation to a situation, with no willingness to regroup and look for alternatives. It doesn't seem to me that you are there just yet.
Twisted Victor -- I wonder if you know how touching and eloquent your posts can be at times. There was one that brought tears to my eyes ... it described the feeling of being dead to things that should uplift us.
I do wonder what happened to Kin and Ianan.
This is a long introduction, I know, but this was a long thread to read.
I spent the past 3 days reading through this entire thread...all 1600 plus posts. This is probably the most excellent discussion I have ever read on smoking. It is so refreshing to read the comments and observations by people who understand this issue, as opposed to those who are mystified why we simply lack willpower in the face of so many NRTs out there.
I have smoked for more than 40 years, 1.5 packs a day. I have been analog free for 20 days, since I first puffed on a 510. Like some here, I "fell in love" with being analog-free with no suffering. This is the first time this ever happened to me, and it is the first time I have ever been able to enjoy or understand what it means to be tobacco-free. The longest I ever quit before was 10 days (accupuncture, that time), and I was climbing the walls the whole time before I finally just picked up cigarettes again so I could function like a normal human being again.
Having said that...yes -- I do understand that my first blush of new-found freedom from the big T could well diminish into groping for something that just isn't there. I am feeling twinges of it already, but so far it's controllable. I am new to this, though, and completely aware that I am thoroughly addicted to whatever tobacco provides. So, I am cautious. Reading through this thread was sobering.
Not to take away from the excellent observations and deductions by the many people on this thread, I will state that I have long suspected that there was something more than just nicotine that I needed from cigarettes. Why else, in the face of my strong will and repeated use of patches and gum (and stupid replacement of a straw for the hand-mouth action), did I always yearn for -- and require -- that cigarette? I am self-employed, with a professional degree, and generally viewed as a goal-oriented and successful person. It is so disconcerting when a well-meaning client or friend looks at me and asks: "Why does an intelligent woman like you smoke?" My definant answer was always: "Because I enjoy it, and it is what I want to do."
Now that I have been off analogs for almost 3 weeks and I am not climbing the walls or curled up in a fetal position, and I can now actually perceive what life might be like tobacco-free, I know what the truthful answer was: "Because I cannot even imagine life worth living, or experiencing happiness, without a cigarette in my hand, or at least readily available in my purse. Big Tobacco owns me, and I am willing to die for them."
My sister has schizophrenia, so brain chemistry disorders definitely run in my family. Many years ago, my sister was put on a then-experimental drug that had astounding results. She slowly came out of her fog and described it as cobwebs being vaccuumed from her brain. Sadly, after several years, she deteriorated back into her particular madness, and the medical community concluded that while this drug had positive results for a while, the users' brains developed a resistance to it and the drug's efficacy was only temporary. I am very concerned that the e-cig could be my temporary cure, effective just enough to show me the possibilities, but not enough to be a permanant solution.
This thread is a godsend to me. It has been so uplifting to read the intelligent conversation of people who truly understand the issues, and who don't toss us smokers into an area that falls someplace between the lepers and the terrorists. Someone on this thread said at some point that "tobacco is the perfect drug." I think this is true. Every smoker's brain and physiology extracts from tobacco what it needs or wants. There is no one magic bullet that will work for everyone in kicking the monkey. I do believe, however, that DVap's work is heading in the right direction, and I am paying attention.
I wish I had something to offer all of you in return for the education and relief I found on this thread, but I have no meaningful science background or special knowledge. I do have a very close friend who is a cardiologist, and a very good social acquaintance who is both a MD (Internist) and a Ph.D in biochemistry. DVag, I am certain both of them would be willing to help with any input if it is requested. (Congrats, DVag, BTW, on your wedding.)
Tropical Bob -- I am ordering some swedish snus today, to keep on hand... just in case. Does anyone know the shelf life of snus?
A2dconvert -- I am sorry to read about the setback, but I don't think it should be viewed as a failure. "Failure" is when there is total resignation to a situation, with no willingness to regroup and look for alternatives. It doesn't seem to me that you are there just yet.
Twisted Victor -- I wonder if you know how touching and eloquent your posts can be at times. There was one that brought tears to my eyes ... it described the feeling of being dead to things that should uplift us.
I do wonder what happened to Kin and Ianan.
This is a long introduction, I know, but this was a long thread to read.
dlynne.....Fantastic post!! You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned what your life would be like without smoking.I had all of those thoughts myself.Everything I did was associated with smoking,reading,watching TV,walks,work,driving....well you get the picture! I just assumed that I would stop enjoying things I did while smoking,and who knows maybe I would have had I not discovered e-cigs.One year later I still enjoy everything I mentioned,and more so.In fact my improved health has contributed to "Longer" walks with my wife and kids(and less tv time..LOL),better work production and the improved ability to tie my shoes without huffing and puffing. E-cigs(to me)are what they were designed to be "A healthier alternative to smoking",and from the looks of things,seem to be working ok for you so-far!! It's a great idea,by the way,to have the snus(or snuff)on the shelf for those moments you need a little more nicotine support!! Best of luck to you....and again thanks for the wonderful post!!The Wiz!
The Wiz!
Good morning dlynne
Congrats not only on getting off the smokes but also on actually reading this thread start to finish. As commented sometime ago, this isn't a thread any longer, it's a rope!
I'll jump in on the snus question. Keep it in the fridge, air tight, for storage for a few weeks, month or so. Longer than that, again air tight to avoid drying, store in the freezer.
Welcome aboard!
Congrats not only on getting off the smokes but also on actually reading this thread start to finish. As commented sometime ago, this isn't a thread any longer, it's a rope!
I'll jump in on the snus question. Keep it in the fridge, air tight, for storage for a few weeks, month or so. Longer than that, again air tight to avoid drying, store in the freezer.
Welcome aboard!
And a perfect and fitting introduction it is, dlynne. I hope all goes well with your PV, but if not, take heart that you're not alone. We've grown alot from this thread and it has been the turning point for me. I hope DVap comes up with a "kitchen method", but his most significant contribution has been his test WTA. That was the proof of what we only suspected. You've made a wise decision to order some Swedish snus, just in case. I've found it to be better than smokes, actually. As I described in one of the Smokeless Tobacco threads, the alkaloids seem powerful and sets an even rhythm throughout a 24 hour period for me. Not the all or nothing pace of cigarette smoking. The vaping has become a relaxing and enjoyable pastime instead of a need to vape every waking moment.
Welcome to the thread and keep posting. You also might check out the Smokeless Tobacco forum. Lots of good info there and I believe the majority are using snus and snuff due to the lack of the needed tobacco alkaloids in e-liquid. A fresh face would be nice there, too.
Welcome to the thread and keep posting. You also might check out the Smokeless Tobacco forum. Lots of good info there and I believe the majority are using snus and snuff due to the lack of the needed tobacco alkaloids in e-liquid. A fresh face would be nice there, too
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(chuckle...chuckle)Thanks dlynne.
I'm gonna be chuckling at the "DVag" typo for quite awhile.
Thanks so much for your help--i'm new to the forum so i'll try reading through all the posts--has anyone found the one piece cartridge from green smokes any better than the rest--the cartridges are expensive but in my research green smokes was touted as the absolute best because of it's 2 piece design--do you think i'd do better with another brand?? i'm open to suggestions--i've invested nearly $200 in green smokes--3 batteries, charger, cartridges--they're in excellent shape do you think i could sell them on ebay and start off new with something else--i really appreciate your help
HAPPY NEW YEAR to all !
Welcome nicholas and Karl to the thread.
a2d, hope things are still better no matter what method you used to stabilize you situation. Thunder 17mg is strong to start with. It is what works tthe best for me though. I always reccomend that a new snus user buys 8mg, 11-12mg and 16-17mg in a flavor they know they will like on thier 1st purchase. If to storng it can be removed and used again tilll the level can be determined the user feels best with. This results in no money wasted and a good range to diagnose the mg level needed. OTD is right on reduction of vaping with snus. It cut my vaping amount by approx 1/2. So, you may vape less frequent, a lower amount or both.
This is where I'm at now and I'm working on raising my satisfaction level by getting the best tobacco flavor I can find. This is points in my favor now if I can find something thats very satisfying. I ordered some Flavorart flavors. They require only 1 drop for 6-10ml as a starting point. Thats very little dilution to deal with. Unlike the 10-30% normally used.
Welcome nicholas and Karl to the thread.
a2d, hope things are still better no matter what method you used to stabilize you situation. Thunder 17mg is strong to start with. It is what works tthe best for me though. I always reccomend that a new snus user buys 8mg, 11-12mg and 16-17mg in a flavor they know they will like on thier 1st purchase. If to storng it can be removed and used again tilll the level can be determined the user feels best with. This results in no money wasted and a good range to diagnose the mg level needed. OTD is right on reduction of vaping with snus. It cut my vaping amount by approx 1/2. So, you may vape less frequent, a lower amount or both.
This is where I'm at now and I'm working on raising my satisfaction level by getting the best tobacco flavor I can find. This is points in my favor now if I can find something thats very satisfying. I ordered some Flavorart flavors. They require only 1 drop for 6-10ml as a starting point. Thats very little dilution to deal with. Unlike the 10-30% normally used.
Good places to start for what your asking nicholas
The Wonderful World of Vaping: An Illustrated Guide to E-cigs (Parts 1 through 6)
Buying and Using an Electronic Cigarette: A Primer
These are both good reads on the e-cig overview and for the 2-piece you have now you may find pertinant info here
KR808D-1 - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
As for selling what you already have, there is a sticky at the start of the Classifieds section that spells out how to place a classified.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/classifieds-swaps/
HTH
Welcome to the fold dlynne, Nicholas, and Karl.
Vaporer, things are going good right now. That sampler had a good variety of different kinds and I have found a few keepers and some others that aren't too bad. That Thunder 17mg is going to be good for times when I really feel the symptoms. That Lab 02 is great for every day peak times but that Thunder hits so hard that you have no doubt you are getting the nic. I'm feeling good about things now. This has to be a better year than 09.
Vaporer, things are going good right now. That sampler had a good variety of different kinds and I have found a few keepers and some others that aren't too bad. That Thunder 17mg is going to be good for times when I really feel the symptoms. That Lab 02 is great for every day peak times but that Thunder hits so hard that you have no doubt you are getting the nic. I'm feeling good about things now. This has to be a better year than 09.
2010 Greetings to you Vaporer
The couple of sterks, ekstra sterks I tried were waay to much. Still are for that matter! The 8mg continues to take care of me.
Good news is always good to hear a2d!
Welcome dlynne. I post so slow now, 10 posts go up before I can hit submit. lol
Dont ever feel you have nothing to contribute. Even personal experiences can be a lot of help to yourself and others when looking for answers. Even to the point of just not feeling alone.
a2d, thats great to hear. Should be easier to search your solution now that the bad feelings have subsided.
nicholas, don't try to sell on ebay unless you want your account banned. They no longer allow anything to do with e cigs to be on thier site. I believe Amazon has followed thier lead. It's ironic to see e cig advertizements there on occasion though. If you have 4-5 dead green cig cartomizers lying around, I'll glady pay the shipping for them. I am looking for some to cut apart for the possibility of rebuilding. As long as you own a mod, liquid and attys will be the hold up in the event of a ban so being able to fix or maintain your equipment is a project of mine. The attys are more my focus and I'm leaving the nic source liquid to others.
When DVag(rofl) gets time to run the Stonewall I sent him , my $ still thinks the alkaloids arent there. If they do show up, that opens up a new question on what is in whole tobacco that I'm getting from snus and not other products for satisfaction. It has nic than can hit hard and fast, but does nothing for craving satisfaction as snus does for me.
Dont ever feel you have nothing to contribute. Even personal experiences can be a lot of help to yourself and others when looking for answers. Even to the point of just not feeling alone.
a2d, thats great to hear. Should be easier to search your solution now that the bad feelings have subsided.
nicholas, don't try to sell on ebay unless you want your account banned. They no longer allow anything to do with e cigs to be on thier site. I believe Amazon has followed thier lead. It's ironic to see e cig advertizements there on occasion though. If you have 4-5 dead green cig cartomizers lying around, I'll glady pay the shipping for them. I am looking for some to cut apart for the possibility of rebuilding. As long as you own a mod, liquid and attys will be the hold up in the event of a ban so being able to fix or maintain your equipment is a project of mine. The attys are more my focus and I'm leaving the nic source liquid to others.
When DVag(rofl) gets time to run the Stonewall I sent him , my $ still thinks the alkaloids arent there. If they do show up, that opens up a new question on what is in whole tobacco that I'm getting from snus and not other products for satisfaction. It has nic than can hit hard and fast, but does nothing for craving satisfaction as snus does for me.
I'm with you on that one. Can't do the sterks and most definitely not the ES. The standard 8 mg is all I've been doing. Keeps it nice and simple and gives me that steady state nicotine I need.
But everyone has to find their own level that works. That's the trick when starting a new nicotine type delivery system. It's just going to take a bit of time to work through it and figure out what works. Perhaps best to work your way up to the stronger stuff with a bit of caution. It's not that difficult to over due it with the snus because of the slow type delivery. That wouldn't be a good introduction to the wonders of snus.
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