So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine
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Smoked 'em 14 years solid. One day just stopped... didn't think about them for 5 years. Then I got back on them (weekends only) for 3 years, then they had me solid again for 4, then I quit them completely for 6 months, then on and off for 2 years.. and finally vaping only for the past 4 months.
It makes personal sense to keep yourself sane while searching for a solution that works for you. You might need 5 cigarettes a day (just for example) to maintain "normalcy", so if that's what it takes, so be it. But be careful of creeping up to 10.. 15.. 20.
It makes personal sense to keep yourself sane while searching for a solution that works for you. You might need 5 cigarettes a day (just for example) to maintain "normalcy", so if that's what it takes, so be it. But be careful of creeping up to 10.. 15.. 20.
A2d, you will not likely get chastised here. I feel deeply for your frustration. The sentence that struck me was this one:
Ain't that the truth. Now, the question is .. why? Nicotine? No, we know that now. We can get nicotine and still feel that desperate craving for smoking a real cigarette.
Like DVap, I've quit many times. My present quit attempt (cigarettes only!) is 2-1/2 years. I do NOT call myself a non-smoker or even an ex-smoker. I say I'm just not smoking today. I do everything else I want, but I do not inhale tobacco smoke.
Maybe you can settle yourself into a routine that allows this. Maybe not. But don't beat yourself up if you cannot. The science here is so incomplete that there might be inveterate smokers who can never be normal without cigarettes. You might fit this category.
I might.
I'm trying to do my lungs a favor, but I have difficulties staying away from my 50-year habit/addiction to cigarettes. And it's discouraging when a doctor says the cravings for cigarettes will be with me as long as I intake nicotine. Think about that. If it's true, the only way I can banish cravings is to stop using snus, dissolvables, Stonewalls, my pipe .. I don't think I can do that and I understand your situation.
Ain't that the truth. Now, the question is .. why? Nicotine? No, we know that now. We can get nicotine and still feel that desperate craving for smoking a real cigarette.
Like DVap, I've quit many times. My present quit attempt (cigarettes only!) is 2-1/2 years. I do NOT call myself a non-smoker or even an ex-smoker. I say I'm just not smoking today. I do everything else I want, but I do not inhale tobacco smoke.
Maybe you can settle yourself into a routine that allows this. Maybe not. But don't beat yourself up if you cannot. The science here is so incomplete that there might be inveterate smokers who can never be normal without cigarettes. You might fit this category.
I might.
I'm trying to do my lungs a favor, but I have difficulties staying away from my 50-year habit/addiction to cigarettes. And it's discouraging when a doctor says the cravings for cigarettes will be with me as long as I intake nicotine. Think about that. If it's true, the only way I can banish cravings is to stop using snus, dissolvables, Stonewalls, my pipe .. I don't think I can do that and I understand your situation.
What I have noticed is that as long as I continue vaping I will not enjoy the taste of smoking. Maybe that will lend a hand in not making me ramp up the smoking. Hope it remains that way.
You know the more experiences I hear the more alike we all appear. The only differences seem to be the individual biological properties that make us unique. We do have a lot in common.
I just spent the last hour researching drug addiction and addictions in general. It seems like while all the different addictions appear to work the same way on the brain. They treat each one with different drugs. All they offer for smoking addiction is Wellbutrin and Chantix. I was taking Wellbutrin in 2004 when I last tried to quit. It didn't seem to work then but I'm not sure the doctor experimented with different dosages. We all know the history of Chantix.
It looks like the medical community can only simply wait for the drug companies to supply them with medications. Maybe it's just me but it seems like our system is broken. The Liberal version of our future medical systems looks like things will get worse instead of better. It may be up to us to take the lead in looking after ourselves.
Thank you....that's very high praise to me.
Don't worry about Pristiq + tobacco. That warning about Pristiq and MAOIs was in regard to taking prescription antidepressant MAOIs with Pristiq. The outcomes would be a hypertensive crisis or serotonin syndrome (too much norepinephrine or too much serotonin, in other words). Those interactions can mean the emergency room or even a dirt nap.
The MAOIs in tobacco are milder than those in prescription MAOI antidepressants; otherwise they'd cause many more dangerous drug interactions. That's not to say they aren't powerful and noticeable, of course, but they do work a bit differently.
There have been a lot of good responses to this already, but I wanted to add...
You do what you need to do to get through each day. Depression makes your future planning shrink to a miniscule scale. That's fine. The stakes are higher.
Everything feels irreversible ("failure"), a final judgment, because your personality gets submerged in a kind of vicious undertow.
Truly, there's hardly any 'willpower' about it. It eats your willpower for breakfast with toast.
People often like to advise list making, mantras, positive thinking, yoga...
I humbly suggest distraction. Plus whatever form of tobacco or nicotine helps the hours pass safely and uneventfully.
(And this is why I am so fond of this forum.
)When better strategies are not yet found, sometimes the best you can do is distract yourself as much as possible, and forgive yourself for whatever you can do to get through the dark times.
Distraction+forgiveness is also a kind of cognitive framing in itself: Retreating and easing up on yourself is exactly what you must do during an illness in order to recover without complications. Thinking of it as a healing process keeps you from shooting yourself down about wasted days or smoked packs.
At least, I try ridiculously hard to think that way, and I've repeated it to myself so many times it almost rings true.
I'm glad to hear things are a bit better.
Sometimes information gathering is the best diversion out there.
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Madame Psychosis,
Thanks for the insight into Pristiq. I was not aware of what that statement really meant.
Also thanks for the kind words and more insight into my issues. I agree with OTD in his description of your contributions and clarity of the issues I and others are facing. You are a wealth of information.
Thanks for the insight into Pristiq. I was not aware of what that statement really meant.
Also thanks for the kind words and more insight into my issues. I agree with OTD in his description of your contributions and clarity of the issues I and others are facing. You are a wealth of information.
a2d, there's no reason to repeat what's already been said. I gave you my view of "failure" many posts back . Depression is a nightmare for those who truely suffer with it. Such a dark world and we become dark individuals dead to those things that should uplift us, dead to everything eventually. For you, the cigarette is medication. Until something comes along that can replace it, it's what you need for the sake of sanity. I think this is how you might look at it and in doing that, use accordingly. That can help you develope a routine to maintain a proper level of maoi's without giving up on all the goodwill you've given your body . Look at it this way, whether a cigarette or a pharmaceutical drug, all have side-effects, all can kill you, even when used as prescribed. My drug of choice, should it come to that for me, would be cigarettes, having experienced the "best" of both worlds. As a side note, 5 or 6 years ago I was prescribed Welbutrin for "issues". I don't recall the max dose I eventually ended up with (high as the doc felt he could muster without malpractice), but he was surprised my cigarette craving hadn't diminished to some extent since it was gaining popularity for that, as well. I guess it's a hit or miss for some of us. Anyway, not to worry. We're all friends here and it makes no difference to me if you're sitting at your computer with a smoke hanging from your mouth, you're still a friend and this is where we meet. I wish none of us would ever smoke another cigarette after today, but it happens and we're all a target. Keep posting, we've more to learn .
. Depression is a nightmare for those who truely suffer with it. Such a dark world and we become dark individuals dead to those things that should uplift us, dead to everything eventually. For you, the cigarette is medication. Until something comes along that can replace it, it's what you need for the sake of sanity. I think this is how you might look at it and in doing that, use accordingly. That can help you develope a routine to maintain a proper level of maoi's without giving up on all the goodwill you've given your body . Look at it this way, whether a cigarette or a pharmaceutical drug, all have side-effects, all can kill you, even when used as prescribed. My drug of choice, should it come to that for me, would be cigarettes, having experienced the "best" of both worlds. As a side note, 5 or 6 years ago I was prescribed Welbutrin for "issues". I don't recall the max dose I eventually ended up with (high as the doc felt he could muster without malpractice), but he was surprised my cigarette craving hadn't diminished to some extent since it was gaining popularity for that, as well. I guess it's a hit or miss for some of us. Anyway, not to worry. We're all friends here and it makes no difference to me if you're sitting at your computer with a smoke hanging from your mouth, you're still a friend and this is where we meet. I wish none of us would ever smoke another cigarette after today, but it happens and we're all a target. Keep posting, we've more to learn .a2d, there's no reason to repeat what's already been said. I gave you my view of "failure" many posts back
Wow, I think you covered it very well. It is what it is regardless of what I want it to be. Thanks TV.
I guess Welbutrin must not have turned out to be what they thought it should be. You hear no one talking about it. So it either didn't work well, or the patent expired and it became unprofitable. There's a lot of that going around.
I'm feeling much better about my situation. There's no longer any pressure to succeed. Now if I feel I need one I'll take it. If not even better. I'm already feeling more from this swedish snus than I got from the domestic version. We'll see in a few days. It won't take 8 month this time. I know what to look for now.
That's really reassuring to hear...now if only the Swedish postal system would hurry up. It might actually help me out... I'm back to smoking a few cigarettes a week for now. It just takes the edge off so well...I'll find a way out, though. So glad to have you guys and this forum around.
I'm almost embarrassed that in my edginess, I got sucked in and went off the deep end in my little debate with Rio over nicotine and addiction in the Outside forum. (I felt like airing out my old college-debater urges so I went with instinct rather than pure evidence. Yes, I once worked in oil company PR.
Not anymore...)
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That's really reassuring to hear...now if only the Swedish postal system would hurry up. It might actually help me out... I'm back to smoking a few cigarettes a week for now. It just takes the edge off so well...I'll find a way out, though. So glad to have you guys and this forum around.
I'm almost embarrassed that in my edginess, I got sucked in and went off the deep end in my little debate with Rio over nicotine and addiction in the Outside forum. (I felt like airing out my old college-debater urges so I went with instinct rather than pure evidence. Yes, I once worked in oil company PR.
I read your debate on that thread Madame, hehe, I will ALWAYS want you on my side!
I'm with OTD..., the last girl I saw with that kinda spunk was Surf MonkeyI'm almost embarrassed that in my edginess, I got sucked in and went off the deep end in my little debate with Rio over nicotine and addiction in the Outside forum. (I felt like airing out my old college-debater urges so I went with instinct rather than pure evidence. Yes, I once worked in oil company PR.
. Do you tutor? I could use assistance when (if) I explain my 500ml nic purchase to my wife .That's really reassuring to hear...now if only the Swedish postal system would hurry up. It might actually help me out... I'm back to smoking a few cigarettes a week for now. It just takes the edge off so well...I'll find a way out, though. So glad to have you guys and this forum around.
I'm almost embarrassed that in my edginess, I got sucked in and went off the deep end in my little debate with Rio over nicotine and addiction in the Outside forum. (I felt like airing out my old college-debater urges so I went with instinct rather than pure evidence. Yes, I once worked in oil company PR.
This new world, snus, is going to take me a little time to level out with. I don't know if I'm lucky or not with my body's sensitivity to nicotine. It would just be easier for me to mindlesly vape away like I used to do while using snus. But I have already been warned that my body doesn't like that. So I am groping in the dark trying to find my way.
Thanks for your assistance. I agree with OTD that it's good you are on our side. Maybe Rio will stay outside.
... Do you tutor? I could use assistance when (if) I explain my 500ml nic purchase to my wife
She still doesn't know?
You're a bad man TV!Just leave the vape alone for awhile while ya check out the snus a2d. I'm convinced your going to find the need to vape greatly diminshed very shortly!
And then ya get to try out snuff!
Well, I don't have a designated poster and I started the New Year celebrations early...
If I don't get back then here's to a good evening all!
She still doesn't know?
I feel so dirty
.If it helps to know, somebody always found me when I hit the ditch face down
. We'll know the party's over when your last post is just "jhhjjhhjjhjjhjjjjjjjhhjhhhhjhjjhjjjhh" (face down with nose on the keyboard) .She still doesn't know?
Just leave the vape alone for awhile while ya check out the snus a2d. I'm convinced your going to find the need to vape greatly diminshed very shortly!
And then ya get to try out snuff!
Well, I don't have a designated poster and I started the New Year celebrations early...
If I don't get back then here's to a good evening all!
Sounds like good advice OTD. Later on tonight I might not agree with you but you probably won't remember it anyway. Happy new year to you and to everyone else.
Can we vote in a new govenment next week?
Happy New Year , a2d
. And yes, my friends and I will be taking over the government next week, probably Tuesday since I can't get my new tires 'til Monday. Give me a call, we'll have spots to fill .Happy New Year , a2d
Hey, that sounds like a good plan.
Happy New Year , a2d
I haven't done a face plant yet, I call dibs on the Doorman's position!
Sorry OTD, the doorman needs to be able to carry a 50 cal. while greeting guests. Don't fret, though. I have you slated for "Special Guy In Charge Of Multi-tasking". All you do is designate others to do things, but the pay and benefits package is awsome.
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