So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[Virk]

Virk: Thanks so much for sharing your efforts with us. I'm definetly going to make some juice myself and see if I get same effect. Sounds like vacuum filtration is what's needed and i think I have that equipment still stored away in boxes of labware from a previous life.

YW, I'm working on better filtration now, found a syringe that fits tightly into a bottle with a filter in between but ran into a pressure problem lol duh. Tedious but good enough for a small supply.

On a side note, I found this today, no idea if it will work, and it's small and plastic, any thoughts on this?
Amazon.com: Jokari 229477 Total Tea Infuser

I'm just kinda having fun here, messing around, looking for a good vape, and in awe reading some of these posts, and often completely lost, but that's part of the fun.

 

[kardenm]

Virk: That tea infuser probably work good to squeeze fluid out of a snus but probably not fine enough to remove particulates from extract. Do you have a centrifuge?! LOL.

When I get a chance to duplicate what you did I'll see if I can come up with something we can all do in our kitchens. Gonna buy some snus today but may be few days till I get to experiment with them. Appreciate all your input and ideas!

 

[Virk]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about the tea infuser, but it might work for the loose tobacco as well, not sure.
No centrifuge lol, unless spinning it around in a lanyard counts haha. I'm sure I could come up with something via a drill if I needed to.

I would like to figure out a way to filter this to the point it was crystal clear but I don't think that's gonna happen.

 

[kinabaloo]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about the tea infuser, but it might work for the loose tobacco as well, not sure.
No centrifuge lol, unless spinning it around in a lanyard counts haha. I'm sure I could come up with something via a drill if I needed to.

I would like to figure out a way to filter this to the point it was crystal clear but I don't think that's gonna happen.

Try finings.

 

[Virk]

Try finings.

You're forcing me to do research and figure out what this finings thing is lol.
While I'm at it, what would Activated Charcoal filtering do to our WTA? Would it remove the good stuff?

 

[kinabaloo]

You're forcing me to do research and figure out what this finings thing is lol.
While I'm at it, what would Activated Charcoal filtering do to our WTA? Would it remove the good stuff?

Actually, the finings is not a good idea - will probably remove the alkaloids too.

 

[Virk]

Actually, the finings is not a good idea - will probably remove the alkaloids too.

So much to learn, so little time. Ok, activated carbon (charcoal) is actually a fining but it removes phenols, k that's where I stopped learning, dunno if this means it will remove the good stuff lol, so I think I will have to try filtering a little through ... yes ... wait for it ... can you guess? ... one of our favorite modding things ... a fluval / charcoal aquarium filter haha. After a good rinse it should be good. Then I'll see what I'm left with, this will be a day or two until I get to it.

I just had this random image of a fish aquarium filled with wta filtering, wow, I need some time off.

Oh as a side note, geeez centrifuges are expensive, cheapest new one at amazon $180. I thought for sure I could find one in some small kids chemistry kit, still looking.

 

[DVap]

DVap: Is there a way I can get the details of your process, has that already been detailed somewhere, or is it a secret?

I've considered talking more abut the process, but after past discussions with some of the more technical folks around here (Kurt, for example), it always comes back to the specialization of a number of the steps and the background to perform them safely.

 

[kardenm]

I've considered talking more abut the process, but after past discussions with some of the more technical folks around here (Kurt, for example), it always comes back to the specialization of a number of the steps and the background to perform them safely.

DVap: I completely respect your decisions in that respect (ha, that's almost poetic). I do have an extensive background in experimental chemistry. I worked for 20 years as a lab technician and chemist in industrial chemicals R&D. Worked with all of the most nasty and dangerous chemicals and processes at some point. But, alas, that was more than 10 years ago. I'm into electronics now.

It is not my intention to try and duplicate your work or try any even potentially dangerous recipes in my basement. I do know enough to know what's safe and what is not. I have no lab and no equipment and not even the time to spend if I did.

My interest is purely curiosity. I just love chemistry and really miss it sometimes. I thought maybe you had already given details somewhere. I haven't had time to read any significant portion of all the posts on this subject. I was really pleasantly surprised to find vapers doing CHEMISTRY when I joined the forum. Made me a little jealous to tell the truth.

At this point I'm content to try some very simple (anyone can do) kind of extractions that would produce a vapable mix that substitutes for smoking. I really think I may try the espresso machine which I've had sitting in a box for a couple of years now. Eventually I need to take the time to figure out what to do with all the rolling tobacco I have stashed away or maybe I'll just keep it for a "rainy day".

I haven't completely quit smoking and may not unless I find a better substitute but I am really amazed to be smoking only three or four analogs a day after being an addict for 40 years. I found it so easy to switch to vaping and i believe I could quit completely if i wanted to as vaping IS good enough and in some ways much better. I really enjoy being able to puff away to my hearts content and in places where I used to have to grit my teeth and wait. I FEEL LIBERATED BY MY PV!!!

Sorry to go on and on. I don't usually spend this much time punching keys and probably won't again.

I sure appreciate everyones efforts to develop this whole subject. I don't have time to follow all the threads so forgive me if I ask already answered questions.

For instance, what really is the composition of the vapor produced by the atomizer? How can it be "water vapor" like the ads say unless the heat decomposes the PG/VG to CO2 and water? That just doesn't seem likely to me. And how long can I store a 48mg nicotine solution at refrig temps before it starts to degrade significantly?

 

[kinabaloo]

It's VG/PG mist - recondensed droplets that absorb water from the air.

 

[kardenm]

It's VG/PG mist - recondensed droplets that absorb water from the air.

And from our lungs also I suppose. Is that why it is so dehydrating?

I wonder how long Ecig manufacturers will get away with saying it's only water vapor?

Next thing you know the smoking Nazis will complain about being forced to breathe second hand PG vapor!

Goodnight ya'all.

 

[kinabaloo]

Much of the water in recondensing would be that we've breathed out. But imo the 'so dehydrating' is a something of an urban myth.

The vapor is not exactly 'water vapor', but it is essentially harmless.

 

[TandT]

Yeap....I believe nicotine is addictive, but from what research I have done, nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine. Like everything else, moderation is key. I certainly couldn't live without my nicotine each day.

 

[kardenm]

Much of the water in recondensing would be that we've breathed out. But imo the 'so dehydrating' is a something of an urban myth.

Thanks for all the input kinabaloo. I don't think it's a myth. Vaping (or maybe not smoking) does definitely dehydrate me. My mouth gets very dry and I have to keep some liquid handy always to sip on. It's actually pretty inconvenient.

 

[kinabaloo]

My mouth gets very dry and I have to keep some liquid handy always to sip on. It's actually pretty inconvenient.

Sensation of dryness is not the same as dehydrating. Still, no harm in a little extra water

 

[tescela]

Yeap....I believe nicotine is addictive, but from what research I have done, nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine. Like everything else, moderation is key. I certainly couldn't live without my nicotine each day.

Thank you for that extraordinary insight, Tandt. Its clear that you have been following this thread closely and are looking to make a genuine contribution to the discussion. Moreover, the banner advertisement that you embedded in your post helped to emphasize your sincere commitment to advancing our understanding of this complex subject.

Seriously, this is the first supplier spam I can recall seeing in this thread. Congratulations on being that guy, TandT!

...and now we return to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[DVap]

Dude.. a little on the harsh side. I don't think TandT posts more than a few times a day, so perhaps it's a bit extreme to call douchery.

Thank you for that extraordinary insight, Tandt. Its clear that you have been following this thread closely and are looking to make a genuine contribution to the discussion. Moreover, the banner advertisement that you embedded in your post helped to emphasize your sincere commitment to advancing our understanding of this complex subject.

Seriously, this is the first supplier spam I can recall seeing in this thread. Congratulations on being that big of a douche, TandT!

...and now we return to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[hittman]

It might be a little harsh but I have to admit that tescela's post was some of the best sarcasm that I have seen on the forum in some time.

 

[tescela]

Dude.. a little on the harsh side. I don't think TandT posts more than a few times a day, so perhaps it's a bit extreme to call douchery.

It might be a little harsh but I have to admit that tescela's post was some of the best sarcasm that I have seen on the forum in some time.

My post was primarily intended to be dryly humorous (thanks for getting that, hittman), but it appears that it could be perceived as a little harsh, so I softened it a bit.

 

[Sassyonemeis]

I absolutely agree with this! I know this is old, but I am replying simply because this person had a clue soooooo long ago that it's not JUST the nicotine, it's all of the other crap they put in cigarettes that make vaping, not less effective, just different, because we are no longer poisoning ourselves with the ~4500 nasties in cigarettes.

E-cigarettes have proven themselves VERY effective, and the FDA to date cannot locate even one person who has been harmed by them. I wonder what the worldwide total numbers are for people who have completely quit using tobacco because of e-cigs, and further, how many people have quit using both?

Another possibility is that we absorb nicotine just as well from vaping, but that it's less effective when not combined with all the other chemicals found in analogs.