Well, I didn't get anything done today at all. I've found that I getting real good at not doing anything. Maybe I did do something and just don't remember it? Getting old just doesn't suit me at all. What's it going to be like when I really old? Oh I forgot, I won't live that long.
So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine
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Yea, DVap,
Even if it was a 50% WTA recovery and clean to vape with reasonable leftovers, sure be worth it.
Especially for us CAT3 & 4'ers.
I think it'd help a lot more people than they realize. They might think they are Cat1 & 2's till they try it and feel....."Awwww, this is more like a cig"
It's never gonna be exact speedwise.....but crap.....better than no WTA and snus takes abt 15min so.......good luck and thanks.
Even if it was a 50% WTA recovery and clean to vape with reasonable leftovers, sure be worth it.
Especially for us CAT3 & 4'ers.
I think it'd help a lot more people than they realize. They might think they are Cat1 & 2's till they try it and feel....."Awwww, this is more like a cig"
It's never gonna be exact speedwise.....but crap.....better than no WTA and snus takes abt 15min so.......good luck and thanks.
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Just seemed like a good spot to repost
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All I know is this: I smoked my last analog at 3pm on August 2nd. Since then I haven't had the slightest desire to smoke another. Okay, technically I smoked about 1/4 of a cigarette, because a friend was certain if I did I would "remember what I was missing" and go back to analogs. What I discovered is that it did nothing for me, and left a taste like I had licked an ashtray.
I smoked for 26 years, since I was thirteen. I tried to quit many times, and always wound up so irritable that people around me were usually begging me to start again after a few days. I actually didn't smoke for 6 weeks, during Air Force basic training in the 90's, which lasted until the San Antonio airport in spite of dire warnings from the TI's that I would be hauled back to restart Basic if I did (my sister was in the AF, so I knew once I left the gate with my travel orders my TI's were just another set of Sgt's and Basic was *over*).
I am as addicted to Nicotine as anyone can be, and I switched to eCig's and 24mg liquid without even a hiccup. I've managed to vape myself into a nicotine buzz like when I first started smoking twice, once when first started and again when I tried 75mg Blip Labs liquid straight.
There may be a lot of factors that affect the level of nicotine absorption into the body, including Ph, VG droplets vs PG gas, perhaps even the flavorings have an effect. But if anyone has tests that say there's no nicotine absorption from vaping, that tells me only that they have a bad testing method. A junkie knows when his xxxx is light.
--Dave
I smoked for 26 years, since I was thirteen. I tried to quit many times, and always wound up so irritable that people around me were usually begging me to start again after a few days. I actually didn't smoke for 6 weeks, during Air Force basic training in the 90's, which lasted until the San Antonio airport in spite of dire warnings from the TI's that I would be hauled back to restart Basic if I did (my sister was in the AF, so I knew once I left the gate with my travel orders my TI's were just another set of Sgt's and Basic was *over*).
I am as addicted to Nicotine as anyone can be, and I switched to eCig's and 24mg liquid without even a hiccup. I've managed to vape myself into a nicotine buzz like when I first started smoking twice, once when first started and again when I tried 75mg Blip Labs liquid straight.
There may be a lot of factors that affect the level of nicotine absorption into the body, including Ph, VG droplets vs PG gas, perhaps even the flavorings have an effect. But if anyone has tests that say there's no nicotine absorption from vaping, that tells me only that they have a bad testing method. A junkie knows when his xxxx is light.
--Dave
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I'm not sure if I said "thank you" to frankie1 and TV so.....thanks......appreciated from "Uncle Vaporer".
You may think I've helped you, but you've helped me just as much.
Thats what makes our group so great. Openness. I think thats a word but it sure doesnt look right. lol
It also extends to all the others replying in the forum too. You know who you are.
I know we have lurkers, they can benefit from what they read, but would be better for all if they participated. We dont judge.....you are here for a reason and most would like to help and will if they can. Your input helps us out too.
We are lucky to have skilled professional chemists in the group as well as very knowledgeable and us common folk. It really makes for a nice blend as we all help in our own way. Everyones input carries the same importance to someone here and look where its gotten us.
Advancement and hope.
DVap has a great catagory system on his blog. You may think you are a given catagory, we may see your needs diff. Makes you no less of a person, but might put you closer to a more comfortable place finding your true needs.
Many of us actually enjoyed smoking. So what? Some have no intention of stopping and dont ask or expect anyone to.
We just want the "monkey off our back" in doing so.
Some will say we want the best of both worlds. Ok, we do. So what! 8-o
We want the pleasure and satisfaction of smoking without the bad crap. If we don't try we will never find it. Some may be looking to totally quit. Thats your choice, not ours.
We won't condem you for it. Actually , we would be happy for you if thats was your goal and you reached it.
If we helped, all the better. 
I know it looks like I'm speaking for the whole group , dont mean to, but I can't presently express myself any other way. For putting words in others mouths, I apologize.
I am concerned abt Ianan. He really needed his own thread, more towards the homopatheic, but he could have left us a link to it so those interested could follow. Unless I missed it. He was heading for severe dehydration at the least.
Ok, off the soapbox .........for now lol
You may think I've helped you, but you've helped me just as much.
Thats what makes our group so great. Openness. I think thats a word but it sure doesnt look right. lol
It also extends to all the others replying in the forum too. You know who you are.
I know we have lurkers, they can benefit from what they read, but would be better for all if they participated. We dont judge.....you are here for a reason and most would like to help and will if they can. Your input helps us out too.
We are lucky to have skilled professional chemists in the group as well as very knowledgeable and us common folk. It really makes for a nice blend as we all help in our own way. Everyones input carries the same importance to someone here and look where its gotten us.
Advancement and hope.
DVap has a great catagory system on his blog. You may think you are a given catagory, we may see your needs diff. Makes you no less of a person, but might put you closer to a more comfortable place finding your true needs.
Many of us actually enjoyed smoking. So what? Some have no intention of stopping and dont ask or expect anyone to.
We just want the "monkey off our back" in doing so.
Some will say we want the best of both worlds. Ok, we do. So what! 8-o
We want the pleasure and satisfaction of smoking without the bad crap. If we don't try we will never find it. Some may be looking to totally quit. Thats your choice, not ours.
We won't condem you for it. Actually , we would be happy for you if thats was your goal and you reached it.
If we helped, all the better. I know it looks like I'm speaking for the whole group , dont mean to, but I can't presently express myself any other way. For putting words in others mouths, I apologize.
I am concerned abt Ianan. He really needed his own thread, more towards the homopatheic, but he could have left us a link to it so those interested could follow. Unless I missed it. He was heading for severe dehydration at the least.
Ok, off the soapbox .........for now lol
Nice post Vaporer. Wont go into High5'n all of it but I agree with most. I'm pretty high on Dvap's rictor scale. Especially:
I just had a thought, I wonder if there is a correlation between how bad our condition is and the flavor we vape. For example, I have tried some of the "flavors" of fruits and candies but I have been guided toward traditional cigarette flavors. My favorate flavor is Virginia, which is the exact flavor of tobacco I used in my RYO cigarettes. I wonder if there are any hard core vapors who prefer the non tobacco flavors?
Many of us actually enjoyed smoking.
We just want the "monkey off our back" in doing so.
I just had a thought, I wonder if there is a correlation between how bad our condition is and the flavor we vape. For example, I have tried some of the "flavors" of fruits and candies but I have been guided toward traditional cigarette flavors. My favorate flavor is Virginia, which is the exact flavor of tobacco I used in my RYO cigarettes. I wonder if there are any hard core vapors who prefer the non tobacco flavors?
Hey all just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
While chainvaping for the first 7 months or so I preferred coffee and chocolate. Now that I'm just vaping occasionally I rarely do anything other than unflavored.
The only tobacco flavor I ever had that I enjoyed was a PG soak done by another member here. No idea the nic level but it was pure tobacco candy to vape
Of all the other tobacco related flavors I've tried, never cared for any of them...
You can speak for me any time, Uncle Vaporer
.I've been going to post a question about IANAN's whereabouts. I am very interested in his findings, but I can't find him. I'll send him a PM and see if I can get a reply.
Like OTD, I enjoyed coffee and sweets, like English Toffee when I started, but now it's about half and half 555, unflavored, 555, unflavored.
Hey all just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
Probably conditional upon the condition you think you're in. All conditions subject to change...
. And by the way, you can call me Ray, you can call me Jay, you can call me Johnny, you can call me Sonny, you can call me RJ, you can call me Ray Jay or you can call me RJJay, but the forum won't you call me xxxx!!
I rate flavor high on the satisfaction scale.
My take on it is we were used to tobacco flavors for the most, some with menthol like me.
I started vaping and was way low on satisfaction, even though I didnt want an analog.
I found I really missed the menthol and putting it in made a huge diff. The minty stuff some call menthol isnt the same as analog menthol. Menthol crystals are so I make my own menthol liquid now to add in. Still with menthol and raising the nic level, just wasnt getting it, but it was better.
I went for the multitude of flavors route many go on. They helped a little , but wasnt something I would vape constantly. More of a treat vape. But it was diff enough to distract me some from that urge of missing something. This was all pre WTA.
I found Tropial Bobs posts and read abt snus and nasal snuff. Sent him a few PM's and decided to try it. Now that was a diff. I didnt like the snus taste, but was noticeably more satified.
So, I ordered more snus and nasal in flavors, yes menthol too. Much better. I went with the Stonewall both flavors. They both taste great, but I get little from them. So what I'm lacking isnt in eliquid , even with more nic and not in Stonewall, but snus and nasal snuff helps alot.
Through forum discussion WTA is now coming around. "Whats left in an analog we arent getting since we know we are getting the nic? MAOI's............and a more rapid effect.
The effect time we cant do much about, so far , due to the base of PG/VG. At least thats what we speculate so far. We might need more ethanol in our mix if it could get past the atty and carrying the stuff we need. Nic or MAOI.
Might be your "normal chemistry" is low on MAIO and you were a heavy smoker getting rapid deployment of it needing it more than the nic. If so, now you would need high MAOI and the faster the better. Good thing is, it hangs in longer than nic (bloodstream 1/2 life) so you can accumulate. But it should taste good in delivery so you want to get it by that method.
Vaping with a snus in is natural for me now. Sometimes 2, but I'm satisfied enough to vape abt 1/2 my "normal" amount. I play catch up in the morning, but it beats vaping constantly all day and still wanting.
So......yes, I feel flavor is important in the total satisfaction factoring. Maybe not for some people, but others it rates high even though they may not realize it.
My take on it is we were used to tobacco flavors for the most, some with menthol like me.
I started vaping and was way low on satisfaction, even though I didnt want an analog.
I found I really missed the menthol and putting it in made a huge diff. The minty stuff some call menthol isnt the same as analog menthol. Menthol crystals are so I make my own menthol liquid now to add in. Still with menthol and raising the nic level, just wasnt getting it, but it was better.
I went for the multitude of flavors route many go on. They helped a little , but wasnt something I would vape constantly. More of a treat vape. But it was diff enough to distract me some from that urge of missing something. This was all pre WTA.
I found Tropial Bobs posts and read abt snus and nasal snuff. Sent him a few PM's and decided to try it. Now that was a diff. I didnt like the snus taste, but was noticeably more satified.
So, I ordered more snus and nasal in flavors, yes menthol too. Much better. I went with the Stonewall both flavors. They both taste great, but I get little from them. So what I'm lacking isnt in eliquid , even with more nic and not in Stonewall, but snus and nasal snuff helps alot.
Through forum discussion WTA is now coming around. "Whats left in an analog we arent getting since we know we are getting the nic? MAOI's............and a more rapid effect.
The effect time we cant do much about, so far , due to the base of PG/VG. At least thats what we speculate so far. We might need more ethanol in our mix if it could get past the atty and carrying the stuff we need. Nic or MAOI.
Might be your "normal chemistry" is low on MAIO and you were a heavy smoker getting rapid deployment of it needing it more than the nic. If so, now you would need high MAOI and the faster the better. Good thing is, it hangs in longer than nic (bloodstream 1/2 life) so you can accumulate. But it should taste good in delivery so you want to get it by that method.
Vaping with a snus in is natural for me now. Sometimes 2, but I'm satisfied enough to vape abt 1/2 my "normal" amount. I play catch up in the morning, but it beats vaping constantly all day and still wanting.
So......yes, I feel flavor is important in the total satisfaction factoring. Maybe not for some people, but others it rates high even though they may not realize it.
I had posted here some time ago wondering 'bout IANAN, hadn't heard anything
So here ya go TV, we could always refer to you as a dique if ya really wanted... but the forum won't you call me xxxx!!
After seeing OTD's post that reminded me of something.
I was tester #1. I got it as WTA in unflavored nic PG.
Actually I thought I'd be wanting to vape my tobacco flavor, but the WTA flavorless was fine. Surprized me and my vaping amount dropped.
I know some vape just nic flavorless and are very satisfied.
That kinda proves that people being diff can assig diff levels of importance to diff things.
One thing is for sure.......if it tastes like crap I doubt you'll crave it. That just isnt human nature.
I was tester #1. I got it as WTA in unflavored nic PG.
Actually I thought I'd be wanting to vape my tobacco flavor, but the WTA flavorless was fine. Surprized me and my vaping amount dropped.
I know some vape just nic flavorless and are very satisfied.
That kinda proves that people being diff can assig diff levels of importance to diff things.
One thing is for sure.......if it tastes like crap I doubt you'll crave it. That just isnt human nature.
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