So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[DVap]

ok.. back and on a real keyboard that I don't have to work too hard to type with.

Here's what I was thinking re: the tobacco soak.

One could take about 20% of a Natural American Spirit analog (or ~200 mg) of tobacco and add around 0.5 mL of 24 mg/mL nic/PG liquid. Perhaps a packet could be created by using PTB material to wrap it up. This would produce the "missile".

In my WTA extraction, I really like NAS. It's not only additive free, but it appears to have a strong alkaloid percentage around 2%. At 2% alkaloids, 200 mg of NAS could give as much as 4 mg of total alkaloids. In 0.5 mL, this 4 mg would be at a concentration of 8 mg/mL. This is a bit more than 25% of the WTA concentration I mixed at 30 mg. Combined with the 24 mg/mL of nicotine from the e-liquid, this might provide nicotine as high as 32 mg/mL. The other alkaloids would be present at up to a quarter of the 30 mg WTA concentration. So this might be able to produce a liquid at pretty robust nicotine strength (via the boost from the 24 mg nic liquid) at a concentration of other alkaloids perhaps as high as a quarter of the WTA concentration I tested with for the hard core miscreants like TV...

Might not sound like much at 25% or less, but it could give perhaps a noticeable improvement over time to those missing it.

The trick here might be to find a wicked powerful tobacco to maximize the return.

 

[DVap]

Hi, DVap.... Honeymoon taint over yet, is it? Don't tell me the mrs. figured you out already....took Momma a few years to get a grasp on me, then a few more to grip the reality of it all .

Honeymoon's been over for years, so to speak.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

ok.. back and on a real keyboard that I don't have to work too hard to type with.

Here's what I was thinking re: the tobacco soak.

One could take about 20% of a Natural American Spirit analog (or ~200 mg) of tobacco and add around 0.5 mL of 24 mg/mL nic/PG liquid. Perhaps a packet could be created by using PTB material to wrap it up. This would produce the "missile".

In my WTA extraction, I really like NAS. It's not only additive free, but it appears to have a strong alkaloid percentage around 2%. At 2% alkaloids, 200 mg of NAS could give as much as 4 mg of total alkaloids. In 0.5 mL, this 4 mg would be at a concentration of 8 mg/mL. This is a bit more than 25% of the WTA concentration I mixed at 30 mg. Combined with the 24 mg/mL of nicotine from the e-liquid, this might provide nicotine as high as 32 mg/mL. The other alkaloids would be present at up to a quarter of the 30 mg WTA concentration. So this might be able to produce a liquid at pretty robust nicotine strength (via the boost from the 24 mg nic liquid) at a concentration of other alkaloids perhaps as high as a quarter of the WTA concentration I tested with for the hard core miscreants like TV...

Might not sound like much at 25% or less, but it could give perhaps a noticeable improvement over time to those missing it.

The trick here might be to find a wicked powerful tobacco to maximize the return.

Ah, good stuff. I need to write this down...

Honeymoon's been over for years, so to speak.

Naughty boy !

 

[AirNerd]

Hi, AirNerd. WTA stands for "Whole Tobacco Alkaloids", the stuff besides the stripped down nicotine e-liquid that make a stinky old cigarette so loveable. Go to DVap's lair and check out "It's Not Just The Nicotine" and "Whole Tobacco Alkaloid E-Liquid". That may help better than me .

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/dvap/403-its-not-just-nicotine.html

Thank you.

Just couldnt get the W lol.

This is such a long read! phfew

 

[TropicalBob]

Let me ask a question that could get me stoned to death: Is is possible we are EXHALING some smoke in our vapor when we vaporize the WTA?

Seems that way to me, watching the vapor/smoke dissipate both indoors and outdoors. It seems denser with the WTA liquid and far slower to disappear. It swirls around a lamp for many seconds, drifts through shafts of sunlight on my porch. I swear, it's part smoke.

Is this a possibility? I mean, we know it's not "water vapor" we exhale. But if it's even part-smoke, don't we have a serious public relations problem? What's in that vapor/smoke?

P.S. I'm loving all the WTA. Finished the first batch yesterday and am working on the 48mg sample as I prepare to vape a little cigar tomorrow!

 

[fenez]

Bravo for asking that question Tbob because I was thinking the same thing but wasn't in the mood to start any arguments over the is it just vapor or not.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Seems that way to me, watching the vapor/smoke dissipate both indoors and outdoors. It seems denser with the WTA liquid and far slower to disappear. It swirls around a lamp for many seconds, drifts through shafts of sunlight on my porch. I swear, it's part smoke.

Yes, it is a wonderful sight, but the vapor will linger depending on wet bulb temps. Hey, DVap, how much pg/vg mix? By the way, TB, has the GABA had any effect, yet?

 

[AirNerd]

OK so you add nic juice to a small portion of acctual tobbaco and it "extracts" this WTA?

And then one inserts this in a cart?

How long would this "plug, missile" last...just a one time deal?

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm doing fine with the GABA and can't measure what effect it is having since I haven't altered my routine of snus, dissolvables, e-cigs and pipes.

Believe me when I say I've watched a lot of vapor swirls since January 2008 when I began e-smoking. I've used VG and PG stuff. I've used multiple brands of commercial liquids in various strengths (even did 10ml of E-Ciagra from E-Cig!). This WTA exhale is denser and slower to dissipate.

Dump some oil on a cooling-down burner on your stove and what happens? It smokes. If this WTA is oily enough, might not the heated atomizer produce some smoke from liquid dripped on it?

 

[AirNerd]

little cigar

That is what I smoked...from swisher.

The milds..I could never find the nic content of these.

I smoked them for two years (along with inhaleing cigars from time to time also) after gum and patches for a few years.

This thread has me thinking about why I could not give it up after the gum and patch ordeal....its like something was missing.

I was hopeing it was the motions and visuals that would help, but I see that is not the case for some.

I am new to PV's so I will see how I do.

 

[TropicalBob]

AirNerd, please stand by a day or so. I'll do this experiment tomorrow and shoot video for YouTube. I have not yet tried a soaked little cigar in an e-cig cart. I can tell you that a soaked snus portion in a cart works GREAT. I'm hoping the cigar flavor comes through, with a balanced ratio of nicotine and WTA.

For the first test, I'm using just vegetable glycerine. The second test to follow will use a cigar piece soaked in 48mg tasteless e-liquid. Check back late tomorrow and I'll post here.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Good point, TB. I assumed it was only our normal vapor, but I live in an ever-changing environment, whereas yours is normally high humidity and relatively stable temps year around. You'd be more likely to register a difference. Don't know. Maybe the WTA liquid has more visable particles. Hopefully, DVap will weigh in soon. As far as the GABA goes, by now it should be noticeable beyond your normal routine. Maybe you need a higher dose? Before any increase it might be a good idea to PM kin and get his thoughts, though. Shame, I was hoping for some shining report...guess you'll have that .

 

[DVap]

Yes, it is a wonderful sight, but the vapor will linger depending on wet bulb temps. Hey, DVap, how much pg/vg mix? By the way, TB, has the GABA had any effect, yet?

I tend toward putting in the PG/VG at around 50/50.. which is what I've been doing with the WTA's.

I've mentioned that WTA makes me think I'm smoking.. the vapor is wonderful. I really doubt we're looking at actual combustion/pyrolysis. The mix is around 48.5% PG, 48.5% VG, 2.7% nicotine, and 0.3% other alkaloids. (there's some debate on whether tobacco alkaloids are 90/10 nic/others or 95/5 nic/others, or maybe somewhere inbetween)...

I can't see somehow burning the trace components without also burning the major components (PG/VG), and that would be really stinky.. especially with the VG/acrolein connection.

 

[olderthandirt]

Wow
This thread has been busy since I looked in this morning

Twisted, your getting to be as unintelligible to me as DVap and kin and Vaporer! Good for you!

Peanut gallery is getting lonely though...

 

[DVap]

AirNerd, please stand by a day or so. I'll do this experiment tomorrow and shoot video for YouTube. I have not yet tried a soaked little cigar in an e-cig cart. I can tell you that a soaked snus portion in a cart works GREAT. I'm hoping the cigar flavor comes through, with a balanced ratio of nicotine and WTA.

For the first test, I'm using just vegetable glycerine. The second test to follow will use a cigar piece soaked in 48mg tasteless e-liquid. Check back late tomorrow and I'll post here.

Bob, If you're inclined, it might be neat to show folks the vapor from the 48 mg WTA while you're demonstrating the soak results.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Wow
This thread has been busy since I looked in this morning

Twisted, your getting to be as unintelligible to me as DVap and kin and Vaporer! Good for you!

Peanut gallery is getting lonely though...

No, I just wait 'till class is over a pick up some floor sweepings. A couple new folks showed up and I wanted 'em to feel at home. I was getting a little light-headed toward the end and hoping someone who knew something would jump in any time. Glad DVap showed up when he did, by guffy's. Nothing left up the ol' sleeves, now. Braindead and all...

 

[a2dcovert]

I'm back too. What did I miss?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I'm back too. What did I miss?

Well, OTD finally showed his mug, but he's gone again, so I guess you missed that. Boy, I don't feel so guilty now that I know I'm not the only one computer slackin' at work . If I got something to do, it gets done, but we have to man this joint 24/7, so that leaves alot of slack time. Unless a catastophy happens, then things pick up a little.....

 

[a2dcovert]

Well, OTD finally showed his mug, but he's gone again, so I guess you missed that. Boy, I don't feel so guilty now that I know I'm not the only one computer slackin' at work . If I got something to do, it gets done, but we have to man this joint 24/7, so that leaves alot of slack time. Unless a catastophy happens, then things pick up a little.....

Computers, computers are easy. I can slack and zip around on a computer and call it work, because it is. It's this nicotine stuff thats got me in a tizzy.

I'm interested in this NSA. I only used D&R Windsail tobacco so I have that on hand. It doesn't have much in the way of chemical additives. Would it be different from NSA?

 

[a2dcovert]

Now where did everyone go?