OK, so I will take all of this information and see if I can "confront" her and find out if she has any data behind her response. This should be interesting because she seemed to want to "change the subject" pretty quick.
So are we Vaping Diacetyl ?
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OK, so I will take all of this information and see if I can "confront" her and find out if she has any data behind her response. This should be interesting because she seemed to want to "change the subject" pretty quick.
Would also be useful to take your own data, because if she has any it's probably bogus. At least be prepared to point out the Drexel study!
You know, I've read enough studies (of what we have) that I can't say I'm all that worried. PG & VG (the two base liquids) are recognized the world over as safe. Safe enough, PG is in asthma inhalers and even injectable meds used in hospitals. VG is in more consumer products than I can count. You're in contact with or investing them pretty much every day.
The flavorings are food flavorings. They're in candies and cakes and you name it. I DIY and half my stuff comes from bakery supply type companies. And my sweetener is Stevia. From the grocery store.
Sure, okay, maybe some combinations of things that are normally fine could do something weird when heated and vaporized but we are talking baking supplies here. And I'm pretty sure ovens get hot.
Me, I worry more about the way people drive around here. Brrrr....
You make a fantastic point, I have also noticed that the "ingredients" (if you will) seem to be pretty natural in vaping juices. I honestly am not too worried about it, and I am very pleased with the point you have made. cheers
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All I know is I can breathe better now then with cigs and the taste is GREAT.
As for media and politicians they are only pawns to corporations.
The technology for clean energy is out there and has been for a while but it's been suppressed by the rich elitist who control fossil fuels. As for water heck here in the Divided States of Embarrassment they put floride in are tap water..
But back to the topic I don't know but I'm betting it's safer than cigs..
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As for media and politicians they are only pawns to corporations.
The technology for clean energy is out there and has been for a while but it's been suppressed by the rich elitist who control fossil fuels. As for water heck here in the Divided States of Embarrassment they put floride in are tap water..
But back to the topic I don't know but I'm betting it's safer than cigs..
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Especially compared to smoking. I mean, I smoked, what, 30something years and only recently discovered cigarette smoke contains the cyanide gas they used to use to execute criminals with. Um... yikes!
You know, I've read enough studies (of what we have) that I can't say I'm all that worried. PG & VG (the two base liquids) are recognized the world over as safe. Safe enough, PG is in asthma inhalers and even injectable meds used in hospitals. VG is in more consumer products than I can count. You're in contact with or investing them pretty much every day.
The flavorings are food flavorings. They're in candies and cakes and you name it. I DIY and half my stuff comes from bakery supply type companies. And my sweetener is Stevia. From the grocery store.
Sure, okay, maybe some combinations of things that are normally fine could do something weird when heated and vaporized but we are talking baking supplies here. And I'm pretty sure ovens get hot.
Me, I worry more about the way people drive around here. Brrrr....
what makes even one want to make they own juices ? do you really trust yourself and what you are doing over a company say like five pawns who has a facility ? or is it just a price thing where juices come out cheaper and you can get a close taste to these companys
For myself, it's cost. Money is tight right now. I also found that my "all day" juices were basic, single flavor things. Like I'm vaping wintergreen right now. And have most of today. It's not a complex flavor that.
And unless you're talking complex recipes, it's not hard. In fact, basic stuff is pretty simple. I can throw together a single flavor when I'm rushed and trying to get out the door. And I've got it down to around 8 cents a ml so a 15ml bottle runs me $1.20. And I should be able to bring that down next go round.
Check the very high levels you have been using.....check out TABLE I in this study.
Determination of toxic carbonyl compounds in cigarette smoke - Fujioka - 2006 - Environmental Toxicology - Wiley Online Library
Oh wait, that's the high levels of Diacetyl in normal cigarette smoke. At this time we really don't know what levels are in our vapor, depends on the flavorings used AND what level there is any Diacetyl in the flavoring. If it's 1/1000 or 1/10,000 of the level found in cigarette smoke and can be lessened even more by avoiding creamy, buttery, custard flavors, the problem is minimal.
The problem is affording the expenses in running studies on the flavors, and on the vapor we inhale.
Determination of toxic carbonyl compounds in cigarette smoke - Fujioka - 2006 - Environmental Toxicology - Wiley Online Library
Oh wait, that's the high levels of Diacetyl in normal cigarette smoke. At this time we really don't know what levels are in our vapor, depends on the flavorings used AND what level there is any Diacetyl in the flavoring. If it's 1/1000 or 1/10,000 of the level found in cigarette smoke and can be lessened even more by avoiding creamy, buttery, custard flavors, the problem is minimal.
The problem is affording the expenses in running studies on the flavors, and on the vapor we inhale.
so basically it comes down to the butter - vanilla - creamy - custard flavors that are the ones on the spot light , im guessing I might have to make a new line up . what fruit flavors are questionable ? almost my whole line up consist of a vanilla cream type of flavor
I started off vaping fruit e liquids - one of my first orders was for space jam astro which I still vape . I also had a few of zeus e juices which was pretty tasty as well as The vapor chef Hobbes blood . As time past on I couldnt vape fruity flavors all day and got hooked on I guess you can say complex flavors like five pawns line up im really enjoying Five pawns Grandmaster and castle long as well as gambit right now but they all seem to have some vanilla crème flavors in them
Those flavors would be the most likely, but there's no way to tell easily. Some vendors may be using "creamy" flavors that d not contain the bad stuff, we jun't know. Some fruit flavors may also contain trace amounts, we don't know. If a juice or flavoring vendor makes an honest effort not to include Diacetyl, it is likely any traces left would be miniscule compared to what we inhaled from cigarettes, or from making microwave popcorn. (yup, that great butter smell and taste = Diacetyl)
Considering diacetyl has a STRONG butter flavor I would say that unless you're vaping something that has a buttery flavor it's not going to include diacetyl. Since it does have such a strong butter flavor it wouldn't be found in any liquids that were not intentionally buttery in flavor because it would be near impossible to mask.
I wouldn't worry about it being in most vanilla, the butter would overpower the light vanilla flavor. I would worry about it being in some of the bakery-type flavors though.
I wouldn't worry about it being in most vanilla, the butter would overpower the light vanilla flavor. I would worry about it being in some of the bakery-type flavors though.
Actually, diacetyl is a butter flavor. How much it has to do with "creamy", I couldn't say. And it's the only one I know of that any concerns arose. Also, remember, the concern was for workers in factory settings where they were exposed to large amounts daily. In places that made popcorn I believe. And it was not pulled as a flavoring.
The issue came up in the vaping world because the problem was it had to do with heated diacetyl being inhaled so the vape world dumped it to be safe. There isn't any evidence I'm aware of at least that anybody was harmed vaping juices flavored with diacetyl. But that workers were harmed by inhaling diacetyl at work was too close for comfort.
That said, you may want to browse the DIY section . There are tons of folks with more DIY experience than I have that could shed some light on the matter.
But there is still no evidence vaping does any serious harm. Doesn't mean there never will be but so far, a whole lot of nothing has happened. And there are a lot of us around these days. It's pretty quiet out there.
good info in here , might have to get into the DIY stuff . Cant lie only wanting to trust five pawns is going to hurt my pockets lol .
If your instructor has kids ... ask her if they ever brush their teeth? And if so, why is she letting them poison themselfs. Propylene glycol is in CHILDRENS Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Humidifiers (Vaporizers), Baby Wipes and more ... I just saw today when I was at the the store that it's the MAIN ingredient in "Baby Training Toothpaste" with the Bold Print "SAFE TO SWALLOW" Evidently it's safe for Babies and Children to Inhale (Vaporize) and swallow it, but not for Adults to Vape it? Very Ironic ... and slightly political
I've also discovered some other interesting uses for VG - Vegetable Glycerol . A company called Hylands, a "Natural" company: Hyland's Homeopathic Has 2 products for INFANTS that contain VG - Vegetable Glycerol Hylands Infant Earache Drops & Hylands Baby Teething Gel. Evidently VG is quite safe for Infants too ... Just not for Vaping Adults.
If you go to this link: EPA & FDA: Vapor Harmless to Children | Minnesota Vapers AdvocacyMinnesota Vapers Advocacy
There's an article written by the President of the Minnesota Vapors Advocacy, Matt Black. Print it out and hand it to your instructor ... should work, it made my Mother pipe down! By the way, Just today, Matt Black and the MN Vapors Advocacy, just defeated a Bill in Senate that would have Banned Vaping in Public. So he knows what he's talking about!!
I've also discovered some other interesting uses for VG - Vegetable Glycerol . A company called Hylands, a "Natural" company: Hyland's Homeopathic Has 2 products for INFANTS that contain VG - Vegetable Glycerol Hylands Infant Earache Drops & Hylands Baby Teething Gel. Evidently VG is quite safe for Infants too ... Just not for Vaping Adults.
If you go to this link: EPA & FDA: Vapor Harmless to Children | Minnesota Vapers AdvocacyMinnesota Vapers Advocacy
There's an article written by the President of the Minnesota Vapors Advocacy, Matt Black. Print it out and hand it to your instructor ... should work, it made my Mother pipe down!
By the way, Just today, Matt Black and the MN Vapors Advocacy, just defeated a Bill in Senate that would have Banned Vaping in Public. So he knows what he's talking about!!the media got a lot of people thinking vaping is worst then cigs and its sad . I try converting other people from my family into vaping and they don't seem interested because of all the negatives that were brought to light but then go on to smoke real cigs which are known to kill you . My mother being one of the ones I wish would stop smoking and start vaping but when she tried my nemesis dual coil it hit her to hard just as it does for any first time vaper and she started coughing . any suggestions on what I should get her to start off with that will give a decent good taste ?
OK, so I will take all of this information and see if I can "confront" her and find out if she has any data behind her response. This should be interesting because she seemed to want to "change the subject" pretty quick.
Yes from what I have read, you can do more research into this gladly, cigarette smoke contains diaceytl and much more than vapor as noted by roger the rabbit... Thanks roger
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