Mechs have been around about 4 years or more, they were some of the first mods built. They were built by modders, not by commercial manufacturers.
So are we Vaping Diacetyl ?
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Mechs have been around about 4 years or more, they were some of the first mods built. They were built by modders, not by commercial manufacturers.
It's def a risk we taking as I urge people not to vape like its fun but to vape only when you pheening for some cigs . I'm still putting myself thru heavy smoking as I smoke [Moderated] more then once a day but I know my [Moderated] don't have poison in it lol I'm more worried about these cigs
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Compared to smoking, vaping is better for you. In light of that, I'm not getting too wound up about it. Really, there's not much worse that you can do then smoke. I couldn't quit smoking, and I tried every other method out there. Vaping is my only safer alternative to smoking, so unless they come out with indisputable evidence that vaping is actually WORSE then smoking, I'm going to stick with this harm reduction method. And that's what vaping is. Harm reduction. That doesn't mean it's completely harmless, but I don't really care about that. My goal was to reduce the harm of smoking, and this is doing that.
I really want to see you define "super heating".
Agree on food coloring.
Burning cotton/hemp, oh my, better put out my fireplace.
Various metals burning? I'm going to try to catch every metal used in my mods on fire right now. Well I seem to have failed. Sorry.
Maurice
Everything can kill you!
Everything is out to get you!
Everything!
Especially tin foil hats...
So if I put my nicotine in a vacuum, and super heat it, can I extract the formaldehyde? Then I'll be safe vaping as soon as the nicotine cools. yay!
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So basically it comes down to the e juice / liquid we are vaping that bring concern , I suggest we all support all the high end companys like five pawns who spend money on build a facility lab to make our juices . I feel as if everyone wants to vape the cheapest e liquids and complain about the top end companys making liquids who charge 20+$ for a 30ml . I feel safe vaping five pawns as to me they put the most effort in they juices and the taste speaks for itself , hope im not wrong .
$27.50 for a 30ml isn't a bad price is you aren't chain smoking or "cloud chasing". It last a while to me its worth paying top dollar for what you are vaping , everyone is different. When I was smoking a pack a day in two days I would spend 20something dollars on cigs packs in nyc are 11$+ depending where you are at , I cant vape 30ml in 2 days so 27.50 is saving to me.
A high price nor making a juice in a lab is no assurance that the vendor does not use flavorings containing chemicals that pose popcorn lung inhalation risk.
Aging in wood adds unknown chemicals to flavors. Also, Five Pawns use flavors in their juices that are known to contain either diacetyl or their problematic substitutes, acetyl propionyl and acetoin. Despite this, Five Pawns makes no mention of testing their flavors for known inhalation risk nasties.
I vape the cheapest e-liquid around, I DIY mine, I know exactly what is going into each batch. I use flavorings from vendors that pay attention to what chemicals are included in anything used for vaping. If you don't know exactly what is being added to the mix, or a chemical analysis of the e-liquid you're buying, price is no guarantee.
I was waiting to hear that lol - five pawn claims to be 100% diacetyl free I hear some flavors like vanilla , butter and such they substitute it with acetyl propionyl and acetoin only way to make the flavors but is suppose to be safe who knows . a lot of people say fruit flavors can have diacetyl in it or now substituted with acetyl propionyl and acetoin
does this company list every single chemical that is in the flavor you buy ? and would you be able to confirm this , like test the liquid you get not the liquid they tested ? im asking seriously what site do you go to I would like to see what proof they got on the flavors .
Five Pawn may use flavorings that do not have any diacetyl added to them, BUT some foods (coffee for example) and the flavorings extracted from them contain natural diacetyl. Without a chemical analysis of each flavoring, no way to tell for sure. Acetyl propionyl may only be considered "safer" only because inhalation problems have not been uncovered, and acetoin is said to be as bad or worse than diacetyl.
edit: I use a lot of The Flavor Apprentice...http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-108-the-flavor-apprentice-world-of-flavors.aspx.
They make flavors for all applications, but will list any that are known to contain diacetyl (it's safe for baking and such).
edit: I use a lot of The Flavor Apprentice...http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-108-the-flavor-apprentice-world-of-flavors.aspx.
They make flavors for all applications, but will list any that are known to contain diacetyl (it's safe for baking and such).
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Never tried FIve Pawna liquid. Honestly, is it worth the price? Is it THAT good?? There's some local shops around me that make some killer juice.
27 bucks aint much money , like I said it all depends how you vape I used to spend that in two days killing myself with cigs. I smoke out of a nemesis clone dual coil I drip and it hits hard and taste great , if you pick something you like and read the flavors they claim you will taste them , it comes pre steep and only gets better as it steeps more while you vape other flavors . I could only speak for myself if im vaping 30ml in two days I got a problem lol
so most fruit and other flavors claim to have Propylene Glycol, Triacetin, Ethyl Alcohol as well as all the other "natural and Artificial Flavors" - these are suppose to be safer then acetoin ?
Best guess, likely yes. Our problem is the flavorings used, and all flavorings produced have never been studied for safety of inhalation, we're guessing what may or may not be bad by individual components not knowing the amounts of each.
Besides cigarettes, this is the only other product with flavorings added that is inhaled. Safe to eat doesn't necessarily mean safe to inhale and add on the problem of "the dose makes the poison". Nicotine is a deadly poison, but diluted enough it's fine to vape. The chemicals in flavorings natural and artificial are unknown in quantity, and toxicity.
what do you use to vape ? im guessing your mixing your own flavors without any acetoin in it
Menthol, Peppermint, Kentucky Bourbon, Cigar, Espresso, Anise, for much of the time. It can be the flavorings themselves that contain acetoin, diacetyl or something else bad, as a natural part of wherever the flavor was extracted from, or in some cases added (to be used for non-vaping applications)
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