So are we Vaping Diacetyl ?

[badwolf91]

this happened with my dad but after just trying it for more than 5-10 vapes and taking some time he got it down, tell them to pull very slow and not even try to inhale all of it as most can be absorbed in the mouth then once they get the hang of it they can vape to their pleasure but at first MANY people cough because it seems like they are pulling hard and ripping it like a cig or harder and the airflow and how you pull Is so different. my dad actually chewed tobacco, hes down to almost none now and doesn't vape to heavily so it worked out great. with him being a non smoker im sure we can convert her

PS, VERY GLAD to hear Minnesota shot down that ban that's awesome news. I go up there often and have family up that way. We bring my grandmother to the Mayo for some things in the eyes. good news. The Midwest seems to be passing more logical laws so far compared to the boarder states almost

 

[POTENTCITY]

need advice on a device to buy my mother , I don't want to buy her a mechanical mod cus she def wont want to build coils like I do but the lil vapers and the vape shop to test the liquids does not do it for me I get a ....ty taste no matter what juice is in there.

 

[Mirza]

This is probably the only thing about vaping that scares me. But I smoke exclusively tobacco flavours and I understand that those dont have diacetyl since its a sweet custard flavouring. Is that true?

 

[Stosh]

Yes from what I have read, you can do more research into this gladly, cigarette smoke contains diaceytl and much more than vapor as noted by roger the rabbit... Thanks roger good post

At this point we don't know, what the levels are in vaping, or exactly what flavors have it, or at what levels in the vapor. If you have a few stacks of High Society chips ($10,000 chip) for the necessary studies, it would be a great investment....

 

[badwolf91]

maybe an ego style, like what they sell in the shop but bigger battery and VV? my 1st (aside from the blu starter kit i had for 4-5 days....... ) was an ego smok brand winder kit, 1300 mah VV. its the one my dad is using now. I kind of liked that innokin 3.0 but that might be a little high tech. 30 bucks on luck7vapes. just get her a provari she will be good

 

[Stosh]

This is probably the only thing about vaping that scares me. But I smoke exclusively tobacco flavours and I understand that those dont have diacetyl since its a sweet custard flavouring. Is that true?

More likely it doesn't but there isn't the science to say either way at present. A wild guess would say it's very likely there is less than is in a normal tobacco cigarette, but proof is missing.

 

[badwolf91]

sorry for multi posts, but also tell your professor it is for harm reduction of current smokers not to seem like we want everyone in the world to vape and get an addiction (though much less addictive, for example today at work I usually go on break at 2:30 to smoke when I did, it was 4:15 and I would be shaking if I still smoked but I could have went until 5 without a vape but I needed a break of course so I stepped out and had a few puffs in our skywalk which is completely legitimate as nobody seems to have a problem with me, many actually respond very positively and strike up conversation and I arm them with knowledge) I had to get post 100 up. now back to the FDA regulations/legislation forms

 

[vangrl27]

"Not that I would advocate anybody using the stuff but being exposed to some small amount of something isn't the same thing as inhaling it repeatedly"

I don't know about you but I'm certainly "inhaling repeatedly" when I vape, hence me trying to omit Diacetyl, acetoin and acetyl as much as humanly possible

you guys may want to read this thread for some insight if you're concerned about diacetyl, if not then carry on...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...acetyl-proprionyl-diacetyl-acetoine-help.html

 

[Slots]

I take a course in my school and the instructor asked us why would we smoke cigarettes if we know that they will kill us. I asked her about my vaping device and she replied, "The carcinogens in your device are going to kill you". Can anyone explain to me what she's talking about?

Point this out to her
Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

Nicorette-Quickmist is an FDA approved nicotine dispenser
Notice that it has exactly the same ingredients as an Ecig, but, with 10 additions ingredients.
So ask her what the difference is except the FDA approved more chemicals for their "Quickmist product, than our Ecigs have in them.
Where's the "carcinogens"

Nicorette Quickmist >>>>>>>>>>>>>Electronic Cigarette

Propylene glycol>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Propylene glycol
Anhydrous ethanol
Trometamol
Poloxamer 407
Glycerol>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vegetable Glycerin
Sodium hydrogen carbonate
Levomenthol
Mint flavor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flavoring
Cooling flavour
Sucralose
Acesulfame potassium
Hydrochloric acid
Purified water
Nicotine>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nicotine

 

[LoveVanilla]

This is probably the only thing about vaping that scares me. But I smoke exclusively tobacco flavours and I understand that those dont have diacetyl since its a sweet custard flavouring. Is that true?

Possibly but not necessarily. Something like a Butterscotch Tobacco might will contain diacetyl.

 

[Hijack]

Ive noticed this thread quite late but have read through it with great interest.

Oh, I see. So, is she just blowing smoke up my ...? lol

I think she has had smoke blown up her ....

OK, so I will take all of this information and see if I can "confront" her and find out if she has any data behind her response. This should be interesting because she seemed to want to "change the subject" pretty quick.

She wont have any data, I think she's more concerned with spending her time in the evenings, marking students papers and listening to sound bites from the media.

Actually, diacetyl is a butter flavor. How much it has to do with "creamy", I couldn't say. And it's the only one I know of that any concerns arose. Also, remember, the concern was for workers in factory settings where they were exposed to large amounts daily. In places that made popcorn I believe. And it was not pulled as a flavoring.

The issue came up in the vaping world because the problem was it had to do with heated diacetyl being inhaled so the vape world dumped it to be safe. There isn't any evidence I'm aware of at least that anybody was harmed vaping juices flavored with diacetyl. But that workers were harmed by inhaling diacetyl at work was too close for comfort.

But there is still no evidence vaping does any serious harm. Doesn't mean there never will be but so far, a whole lot of nothing has happened. And there are a lot of us around these days. It's pretty quiet out there.

You know, I've read enough studies (of what we have) that I can't say I'm all that worried. PG & VG (the two base liquids) are recognized the world over as safe. Safe enough, PG is in asthma inhalers and even injectable meds used in hospitals. VG is in more consumer products than I can count. You're in contact with or investing them pretty much every day.

Sure, okay, maybe some combinations of things that are normally fine could do something weird when heated and vaporized but we are talking baking supplies here. And I'm pretty sure ovens get hot.

I'd ask to see the studies. There are a couple of half @$$ed ones out there but, for the most part, nobody can find much of anything. And I read every study I can get my hands on (and, for that matter, am in one).

As you and I can see There are more informed people in the vaping community than your tutor. I feel confident that if any real issue arises from vaping the community as a whole will be the fist to warn the rest of us as to the potential dangers.

maybe an ego style, like what they sell in the shop but bigger battery and VV? my 1st (aside from the blu starter kit i had for 4-5 days....... ) was an ego smok brand winder kit, 1300 mah VV. its the one my dad is using now. I kind of liked that innokin 3.0 but that might be a little high tech. 30 bucks on luck7vapes. just get her a provari she will be good

+1 on this setup its the sort of thing I recently started with, and with the vv your mum can turn it down for the first few days until her lungs adjust then turn it up for a better hit.

 

[dice57]

Nobody is going to take away my MadEYe's Pumpkin Juice, NOBODY, do you hear?? lmao

Yeah, been hearing about the sin's of butter for like ever!! But love real butter on my popcorn, fresh baked bread, hashbrowns, and in my chicken pot pie, and cookies,.... Don't vape it, but eat it on occasion, with those foods that are complimented by it.

Do this, don't do that!! Can't you Read the Signs???

 

[Bunnykiller]

I take a course in my school and the instructor asked us why would we smoke cigarettes if we know that they will kill us. I asked her about my vaping device and she replied, "The carcinogens in your device are going to kill you". Can anyone explain to me what she's talking about?

its not "what" she is talking about... its the lack of knowledge showing thru in her words... as of recient, there has been no carcinogens found in many of the juices we vape. yes... there are some chemicals in the flavorants that could become an issue in high doses just like for example ... swimming pools with chlorine in the water, you probably have noticed the chlorine smell, the eyes tingling from swimming underwater, slight hair color changes, the color loss in the swim wear.... but increase that percentage by a factor of 26, then you will be gasping for breath, eyes will be on fire, and your clothes will not just fade but turn nearly white.

 

[POTENTCITY]

Good info , just treat this vaping stuff for something to help quit smoking not a fun thing like "cloud chasing" . I will try buying my mother a ego type and see if she likes it

 

[mkbilbo]

"Not that I would advocate anybody using the stuff but being exposed to some small amount of something isn't the same thing as inhaling it repeatedly"

I don't know about you but I'm certainly "inhaling repeatedly" when I vape, hence me trying to omit Diacetyl, acetoin and acetyl as much as humanly possible

you guys may want to read this thread for some insight if you're concerned about diacetyl, if not then carry on...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...acetyl-proprionyl-diacetyl-acetoine-help.html

Well... as is often brought up around here, the vape inhale is generally not the same as the smoking inhale. While some may inhale vapor into their lungs, I would think they're not the majority. The nicotine absorption in vaping is primarily in the mouth and nasal passages. Inhaling into the lungs would yield no additional taste and little, if any, nicotine (vapor droplets being bigger than smoke particles and less effective at reaching the tiny areas where gas exchange takes place).

The workers were breathing air permeated by diacetyl. Emissions from large machines cranking out tons of popcorn products. And in every breath they took. And into their lungs every time.

It's not necessarily comparable. I mean, vapor is mostly water but you're not likely to drown...

 

[zmbgzus]

:/ ok, so I skipped a ton of posts here after reading several.
Vaping carcinogens:

Super heating nicotine generates minute amounts of formaldehyde.
Short/Long term effects of inhaling food coloring unknown.
Particulates from burned cotton, unknown inhalation results.
Particulates from burning hemp, deemed as non hazardous.
Inhalation from various metals burning, various results.
There are so many factors in play to fully determine the effects of the products you're using.

 

[Leo K]

OK, so I will take all of this information and see if I can "confront" her and find out if she has any data behind her response. This should be interesting because she seemed to want to "change the subject" pretty quick.

If you want to be fairly graded by this prof. you might want not to grind her "opinion" into the dust too heavily.

 

[Rickajho]

I take a course in my school and the instructor asked us why would we smoke cigarettes if we know that they will kill us. I asked her about my vaping device and she replied, "The carcinogens in your device are going to kill you". Can anyone explain to me what she's talking about?

Is he/she a part time instructor? Because it sounds like they have a full time job at the CDC. According to the CDC everything can kill you.

 

[dice57]

Couldn't Damn Care? that CDC? lmao.

 

[POTENTCITY]

How long has vaping out of mech mods been out ? Anyone