For me the IT taste is a sweet chemical taste. I have come to the conclusion that it is either due to the nic base or the VG. There is more VG in this then I am used to because all that was offered was 70/30 and I usually get 80/20
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Hairball, I have 10 lovely blue glass 15 ml bottles from Rockstar, all of them taste like mildew to me. My AVE samples seem to all have ICK, both PG and VG flavors, although it is much less there than it was 2 months ago, so it does seem to go away with steeping. I have cats, too, so it's hard to steep with the cap off, but I'll see if I can set up a cat-proof area and give that a try.
It may be, as someone suggested, that we are tasting different things, though there seems to be some consistency. The off-taste that I experience has a high-note, somewhat ester-y, like mildew or a piece of fruit going bad, then a low-note, in the back of my throat, most noticeable on exhale - that bad peanut taste, which doesn't taste so much burnt to me, but I can sort of get the burnt coffee reference. And that taste isn't so horrible at first, but builds up as I continue to vape, until it completely overwhelms any other flavor.
Pretty much everyone agrees that VaporBomb juices don't have it, and I can confidently order from them. I know that there seems to be disagreement about LF juice, but maybe it's a difference between their PG and VG juice. LF VG cola tastes as clean to me as VaporBomb, and other VG samples from them are OK, too. COV also seems to be ICK-free.
The only thing unusual about my sense of taste in general is that I detest shellfish, and I was told that I can taste an arsenic compound (completely harmless, BTW) in it that is flavorless to most people. This doesn't taste anything like that, but it might indicate that I have a sense of taste somewhat different from most, though I'm not a super-taster.
I recently got some DIY stuff, so I'll play with that and see if I can help track down the culprit.
It may be, as someone suggested, that we are tasting different things, though there seems to be some consistency. The off-taste that I experience has a high-note, somewhat ester-y, like mildew or a piece of fruit going bad, then a low-note, in the back of my throat, most noticeable on exhale - that bad peanut taste, which doesn't taste so much burnt to me, but I can sort of get the burnt coffee reference. And that taste isn't so horrible at first, but builds up as I continue to vape, until it completely overwhelms any other flavor.
Pretty much everyone agrees that VaporBomb juices don't have it, and I can confidently order from them. I know that there seems to be disagreement about LF juice, but maybe it's a difference between their PG and VG juice. LF VG cola tastes as clean to me as VaporBomb, and other VG samples from them are OK, too. COV also seems to be ICK-free.
The only thing unusual about my sense of taste in general is that I detest shellfish, and I was told that I can taste an arsenic compound (completely harmless, BTW) in it that is flavorless to most people. This doesn't taste anything like that, but it might indicate that I have a sense of taste somewhat different from most, though I'm not a super-taster.
I recently got some DIY stuff, so I'll play with that and see if I can help track down the culprit.
House of vapor in NY may be your solution. They have all sorts of flavors in 10 bottles and discounts if you buy 10 at a time. You can mix and match sizes and flavors and I believe it's 20% if you buy 10 bottles. Perfect for trying new flavors on the cheap!
Cheers!
Cheers!
I've gotten juice from Rocky Mnt. Vapors. It's not my all day vape but I like it.
I've read on the board in one of the reviews that Vapor Station uses a different nicotine base (India I think?). I've never tried it but I've read good things about their juice. Do a board search for Vapor Station and read their reviews. I hesitate to order from them due to their shipping costs, but hear great things about their tobacco juices. Maybe try them and see if the base is what bothers you.
I've read on the board in one of the reviews that Vapor Station uses a different nicotine base (India I think?). I've never tried it but I've read good things about their juice. Do a board search for Vapor Station and read their reviews. I hesitate to order from them due to their shipping costs, but hear great things about their tobacco juices. Maybe try them and see if the base is what bothers you.
I was smelling juices today to see if I could put a better description to the smell, and I can't. It's the strongest to me in 100% PG. Tobacco flavors are the worst, then coffee flavors; all of them have juice that is a deep golden color or an orange color.
These are the words I would use:
Sickeningly sweet
nauseating
mildew
dirty socks
covering up a chemical smell
fermentation
cyanide smell (bitter almond)
repulsive
rancid peanut butter
These are the words I would use:
Sickeningly sweet
nauseating
mildew
dirty socks
covering up a chemical smell
fermentation
cyanide smell (bitter almond)
repulsive
rancid peanut butter
You know now that you mention it most of the ones I haven't liked right off (and one still don't) started out a yellow gold to orrange. In fact there's only one that color I could tolerate right off and it had a pink undertone to the color.
The pink ones, the dark ones, and the ever so rare clear ones have been fine with the exception of one flavor. I had already tried it in a smaller sized bottle so I am just giving it a week.
I wonder if some nicotine suppliers use sub-standard (old, or not ripe, moldy, or whatever) tobacco to make the nic. That is, if you still think it is the nic base and not the other stuff. It is a natural product after all. Hmmmmm... not say'n it's so, but just curious.
I was just reading a review of KBV juices and zbasspro mentioned that they spent lots of time and energy to ensure that their juices don't have IT, the "bleh", the "yuck" or any of the above. Here's the link to the thread: KBV Review. Maybe someone that is experiencing the "bleh" could email them to find out exactly where the source of the nastiness is? I would do it myself, but as I mentioned, I have never experienced this personally. 
That's a very scarey thought inhaling mold is not a good thing. That said I have been in that situation before... (I worked in a building that had some mold in the ventilation). I am not experiencing any of the symptoms I experienced then... so at a guess I think we can rule mold out. Plus I feel like I'd recognize a mold or mildew smell (although maybe not it being mixed in with other scents).
I am thinking there has to be some commonality... it could even be something only some of us are sensitive to.
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Just wanted to add that your own taste buds will sometimes declare war on your vaping habit and drive you nuts.
I rarely try a new flavor when it arrives. I put them away in the cabinet above the refrigerator when they arrive and leave them there for two weeks or more before trying them. Many flavors have tasted so much better to me after steeping for a week or two, so now I just do it as a matter of routine.
I rarely try a new flavor when it arrives. I put them away in the cabinet above the refrigerator when they arrive and leave them there for two weeks or more before trying them. Many flavors have tasted so much better to me after steeping for a week or two, so now I just do it as a matter of routine.
Just to clarify... I didn't say it had mold in it, but who knows what the original tobacco had. It could just be different tobacco types, or less expensive purification, or .... who knows. I would assume that the mold itself would be filtered out. It would create other compounds tho... (probably).
Basically... we need regulation of this and quality control.
Basically... we need regulation of this and quality control.
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Another thread that may be relevant:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/188323-where-do-you-get-your-nicotine.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/188323-where-do-you-get-your-nicotine.html
I get this taste/smell from some vendors liquids also...even had one that all I bought tasted like liquid dish soap...
If I don't make what I use, I buy from here:
deejStuff eLiquid, The Apocalypse can wait...
he makes some wonderful fruits and champagne fruits that aren't candy ... just fresh ripe fruit tasting...really nice.
If I don't make what I use, I buy from here:
deejStuff eLiquid, The Apocalypse can wait...
he makes some wonderful fruits and champagne fruits that aren't candy ... just fresh ripe fruit tasting...really nice.
Thanks for all the recommendations, as time (actually money) permits, I am going to order from all that were suggested. I am curious about the India base that Swedishfish has heard about. Luckily my husband is willing to vape anything that has IT.
Like AttyPops, my first thought was it is the nicotine extraction process, or the tobacco that it is extracted from.
Because I've ordered from Box Elder Chemical Supply, I know that there is not a trace of IT in their nicotine PG base, but they could be using extracted nicotine from China in a US PG/VG base. Both their PG and VG is USP.
One of my next steps is to order plain PG and VG from China and smell them.
I'm not convinced about steeping or aging because I have some 5+ week Dekang-based juices that have become stronger with IT smell; at the same time, I have BWB Bacco that doesn't have any IT smell. I took the caps off some Dekang-based and they haven't changed in 2 days.
Like AttyPops, my first thought was it is the nicotine extraction process, or the tobacco that it is extracted from.
Because I've ordered from Box Elder Chemical Supply, I know that there is not a trace of IT in their nicotine PG base, but they could be using extracted nicotine from China in a US PG/VG base. Both their PG and VG is USP.
One of my next steps is to order plain PG and VG from China and smell them.
I'm not convinced about steeping or aging because I have some 5+ week Dekang-based juices that have become stronger with IT smell; at the same time, I have BWB Bacco that doesn't have any IT smell. I took the caps off some Dekang-based and they haven't changed in 2 days.
Here's a thread about it. I believe Vapenstein mentioned the base either in his post or on his review site. Click on his name and go to his page for his reviews.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-liquid-reviews/179140-vapor-station-tobacco-flavors.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-liquid-reviews/96851-ok-vapor-station-real-wow.html
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Thanks! Great reviews. I am reading Vapenstein's blog right now.
Click "It's Alive!" at the top of his blog.
I want to order a small bottle from VS to try but shipping is $6.00. There is a coupon code though.
I want to order a small bottle from VS to try but shipping is $6.00. There is a coupon code though.
So I have continued to vape on the liquids with the IT taste and im kinda getting used to it. And I have noticed that it is giving my liquids a diffrent sort of flavor. Like for example my cotton candy tastes like a blue raspberry snow cone and my vanilla tastes like red cream soda....This became interesting trying to figure out what my liquids tasted like as opposed to what there suppoused to taste like lol
Okay, so I've done a little research on some flavoring additives that may be an ingredient is some ejuices. I'm not sure if any of these are the culprit or not, but maybe this will help those experiencing an "off" taste in various vendor's juices:
Levulinic acid-- Description
Acetyl Pyrazine-- Description
Koolada-- Description
Acetyl Valeryl-- Description
Ethyl Maltol--Description
Levulinic acid-- Description
Acetyl Pyrazine-- Description
Koolada-- Description
Acetyl Valeryl-- Description
Ethyl Maltol--Description
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