So I went to 3 doctors...annnnnd I think vg hates me.

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One of the worst attacks I ever had was in response to a severe allergy attack -- we spent xmas eve watching videos at a friend's house, who neglected to inform us that her cat had just had kittens. :facepalm: One cat, and I could take an antihistamine and deal with it; a houseful of kittens with their fluff all over, in the air and on every surface... definitely not. The worst thing about it was that I was pregnant at the time -- so even when I went to the e-room, the wouldn't even give me oxygen -- could be very bad for the unborn, leaving them liable if my son had been born compromised in any way. So I had to just go home and deal with it as best I could -- there was no sleep that night, that's for sure. At the time, I didn't know the leaning-forward technique, but I did learn that lying down is a bad thing to do when there's an asthma attack going on, and it's useless anyway, since your CNS won't allow you to sleep.

Even if your son stops the regular use of Advair, you may want to keep one of the inhalers around for use when he has some other situation that has a negative impact on the asthma -- a bad cold, the flu, or even chest pain -- the steroids will help the inflammation that causes chest pain. That used to be the only time I would use a steroidal med, if I had something else that made the asthma even worse.

I recall reading that there's an herbal medicine that helps asthma, but the name escapes me at the moment. A sign of CRS syndrome no doubt. :D

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Cats, cats, cats... I love them but their hairs are always out of place for asthmatics, even when they are not around. The reaction is so abrupt and severe. It's an epinephrine shot and an ICU trip guarantee for us! Few years back in Paris on Christmas eve, while everyone was joyfully eating and drinking, I knew something was coming up with my son... anxiety for me instead. He was not on Advair yet and no handy EpiPen. Thanks to the gentle chess massages of my sister in law living next house, with extensive experience in dealing with severe asthma crisis with her oldest son, my nephew, much older cousin of my son, I got some relief... We ended up spending a week in ICU. A really cool thing happened though, Santa paid us a visit in person on xmas with really cool presents. My son was asleep when Santa swigged by and he didn't believe me when I told him... He was thrilled when I showed the pictures of his sleepy head with Santa...

Thank you for the advice! I have a countless stock the backup medicines and gears for emergency crisis... Take good care of yourself and Happy holidays!
 
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I have a feeling what happened to you with that big long test would also happen to alot of people who vape.
I'm just curious, can you explain why? Is there some sort of connection you're suggesting? I'm just curious.
Also, @AndriaD no, no blood-gas thing. They had me breathe for like 20 mins with nothing while they recorded it, I was fine. Then they had me breathe for another little white after inhaling saline from a nebulizer, I was fine. Then they gave me that drug methacholine (sp?) in a nebulizer. I was fine. Then they gave me more of it. Fine. So on and so on til vial 4 of it then I was not fine. There are 5 vials so I made it to 4 tho lol.

Yes.
vaping a lot of vg tends to produce a heavy chest feeling and difficulty breathing.
So although someone may not be asmathic normally,
if they vape
especially high vg
it wouldn't surprise me if some doctor's test concludes asmathic symptoms
 
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Yes.
vaping a lot of vg tends to produce a heavy chest feeling and difficulty breathing.
So although someone may not be asmathic normally,
if they vape
especially high vg
it wouldn't surprise me if some doctor's test concludes asmathic symptoms
Yes but I stopped vaping VG long before this last asthma test I had yesterday.....actually, I was vaping VG the FIRST ashtma test they did (though that was without the inhaled medicine to try and provoke it)
 
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I'm just curious, can you explain why? Is there some sort of connection you're suggesting? I'm just curious.
Also, @AndriaD no, no blood-gas thing. They had me breathe for like 20 mins with nothing while they recorded it, I was fine. Then they had me breathe for another little white after inhaling saline from a nebulizer, I was fine. Then they gave me that drug methacholine (sp?) in a nebulizer. I was fine. Then they gave me more of it. Fine. So on and so on til vial 4 of it then I was not fine. There are 5 vials so I made it to 4 tho lol.

What that sounds like is more like an asthmatic tendency, or extremely mild, non-sensitive asthma, or perhaps "asthmatic bronchitis" -- my son has that; always needs bronchodilators when he has a cold. What they gave me to breathe from looked like an ordinary but unmarked inhaler; *immediately* upon inhaling one puff of it, I had serious trouble breathing, very loud and pronounced wheezing; it felt like my entire chest was totally compressed with a heavy weight (I used to try and determine my son's perceptions, when he was wheezing, by asking him if it felt like the Jolly Green Giant was standing on his chest -- if he said yes, I let him use the rescue inhaler). The effect of breathing whatever was in that unmarked inhaler was so pronounced, severe, and immediate, there was absolutely no doubt whatever: "textbook asthma," I was told. Then they gave me the fast-acting bronchodilator rescue inhaler, and within 30 seconds of inhaling it, I had relief.

The blood gas assay was simply to determine how much oxygen was in my oxygenated arterial blood -- as I said, I think they have other, less-intrusive means of determining that nowadays.

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Just finished reading this thread and was surprised by how few pro-VG comments I saw. Interesting to note that I recently read another long thread in praise of max VG with a parade of folks complaining of dry throats, shortness of breath, and numerous allergic symptoms, especially skin probs, when vaping PG-heavy juices. Go figure.

I fall into the latter group. After six years of vaping and a lot of experimenting with PG and VG, I feel much better when I vape high VG. My point is simply a reminder that we need to find what works for us, and unfortunately, that sometimes requires painful and expensive trial and error.

Hope you're feeling better, Blujess.
 

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Just finished reading this thread and was surprised by how few pro-VG comments I saw. Interesting to note that I recently read another long thread in praise of max VG with a parade of folks complaining of dry throats, shortness of breath, and numerous allergic symptoms, especially skin probs, when vaping PG-heavy juices. Go figure.

I fall into the latter group. After six years of vaping and a lot of experimenting with PG and VG, I feel much better when I vape high VG. My point is simply a reminder that we need to find what works for us, and unfortunately, that sometimes requires painful and expensive trial and error.

Hope you're feeling better, Blujess.

That would be because most of us in this thread can't tolerate much VG at all. When I got here almost 2 yrs ago, 70PG/30VG was still very much the norm -- and that is STILL too much VG for me; I heard all that garbage, oh try more VG, it'll help; no, it did NOT help, in fact it made it WORSE.

Shortness of breath is generally a hallmark of intolerance to VG; dry scratchy irritated throats, sensitivity to PG -- which even affects me, if I go up to 90% PG. Lately I've been mixing at 86%-87% PG, and it seems to have helped some of my breathlessness.

Allergic symptoms are far more common with flavoring, than with either PG or VG; my own intolerance to VG is not an allergy, because I can consume it, or anoint myself with it from head to toe, without the slightest problem -- but I can't be inhaling much of it at all, it's too thick for my lungs, it feels like I have a hairball in there. My sensitivity to extreme amounts of PG (90% or more) is also not an allergy; if it was an allergy, I couldn't vape 87/13 without it giving me the slightest problem.

Allergy symptoms are usually things like rash, hives, itching, sneezing, complete inability to breathe at all due to anaphylaxis, or possibly nausea, and they present when ANY of the substance is present, no matter how slight an amount -- before I took 24-hr antihistamines, it didn't matter if someone had 1 cat or 10 in their house, I couldn't be in there for more than 5 minutes without wanting to claw my eyes out. And it didn't matter if they put the cat in another room, either -- the cat lives there all the time, so incarcerating it when I'm present is utterly useless. Thankfully now I take Zyrtec every day, so not only can I visit cat people, I even have a cat myself, and I am THRILLED about that!!! :) But I still can't kiss her, or put my face near her fur, or I'd be doing the clawing-eyes-out thing despite the Zyrtec.

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Yep, I totally get your point, and your general understanding of things matches my own, Andria. In fact, I was nearly your double, but across the aisle. I even (very briefly) considered quitting vapes before I discovered VG juices, regardless of make or model. I thin mine with 10% distilled water and get a great vape even from a cheap clearomizer. I prefer the flavor as well since I generally prefer more muted flavs for my ADVs.

I just wanted to add the 'outsider' view for anyone stumbling upon this thread as I did. But venturing into foreign territory can be dangerous, so I'll head out by wishing you a happy, healthy new year. I quit cigs 6 years ago, early January, and this time of year reminds me of how good I feel post-cig. Vaping was the key for me. Just had to experiment for many months to find what works best for me. And yes, agreed, flavs themselves have been sometimes been the cuplrits.
 

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Yep, I totally get your point, and your general understanding of things matches my own, Andria. In fact, I was nearly your double, but across the aisle. I even (very briefly) considered quitting vapes before I discovered VG juices, regardless of make or model. I thin mine with 10% distilled water and get a great vape even from a cheap clearomizer. I prefer the flavor as well since I generally prefer more muted flavs for my ADVs.

I just wanted to add the 'outsider' view for anyone stumbling upon this thread as I did. But venturing into foreign territory can be dangerous, so I'll head out by wishing you a happy, healthy new year. I quit cigs 6 years ago, early January, and this time of year reminds me of how good I feel post-cig. Vaping was the key for me. Just had to experiment for many months to find what works best for me. And yes, agreed, flavs themselves have been sometimes been the cuplrits.

I tried the water dilution; it did help a lot with the viscosity, so it didn't bother my breathing quite so badly; but for whatever reason, adding water also added a rather unpleasant popping and spitting, which I found less pleasant that just going to higher PG.

PG can be irritating, no doubt about it, even sometimes to those of us who can endure a lot of it; when the weather is cold and the furnace is running, PG worsens the winter-dryness of my sinuses quite a lot, and I have to kinda fluctuate weekly between 84/16 and 86/14 -- the first, 16% VG, makes it slightly less drying, but after a week of it, I'm coughing a lot, so I have to go back to something kinder to my lungs. Which can dry me out, if the furnace is also running, so in a week I have to return to something kinder to my mucosa. It's maddening, but I don't really know any other way of handling it. I'm soon going to get a cool-mist humidifier, hopefully before we get any seriously cold weather, and that may help considerably.

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Doc #1 Emergency room doc. Went there because for days I felt like I couldn't breathe. It was horrible and terrifying and I felt my lungs were heavy and I couldn't fill them. So scary. It kept getting worse.

Blood pressure, heart rate, everything normal (perfect actually), oxygen levels 100%, lungs sounded great according to doc. Had chest x-ray. Also perfect. Had several blood tests. No thyroid issue, no anemia, none of the main vitamin issues they tested for, no blood clotting factors, nothing.

Sent me home, told me it must be anxiety.

Doc #2 follow up with regular doctor for the ER visit. Blood pressure, heart rate, everything still perfect.
Did an EKG. Nothing wrong there. Sent me home with a rescue inhaler "just in case" and told me to follow up with an allergist for a lung function test but told me so far she suspects it's just anxiety or symptoms of quitting tobacco. The inhaler was basically to cover her ... and also because she said if it is just anxiety, an inhaler won't hurt me either way (might make me breathe better due to placebo alone). I don't think it did but I still have it just in case.

Doc #3 The allergist. I go in and do the lung function test. 3 times. Results are that of a non smoker or even a "never smoker" she tells me. She said my lung capacity is perfect. Never better. She tells me it must be either anxiety or symptoms of quitting tobacco which she says she sees a lot and is common.

So at that point I have no answers and I'm still unable to breathe well. It's horrible.

I start thinking it must be PG since that is the most common allergy/issue. I started at 70/30 pg/vg with no issue then went to 50/50 and the breathing stuff started shortly after that, so what in my stupid head made me think it was PG idk because lowering the PG is when this started but okay, I must have assumed it took place over time as allergies tend to do. So I thought I'd try 100% vg.
Bad idea (for me at least)
After 3 days of that I felt wayyyyyyy worse. WAY WORSE. I even woke up with a heavy chest like someone sitting on it. Interestingly, though, it TOOK the 3 days to make me feel worse. You'd think it would be instant. Well, it took 2 weeks of the 50/50 to get real bad, so 3 days maybe makes sense. Any way...

I finally switched back to my original 70/30 pg/vg.

It's been 2 days and I feel better. Not 100% better, but at least 50-60% better.
I have read, though, here actually, that feeling 100% better after switching can take up to 2 weeks for some, specifically I've read peoples accounts here of the same vg sensitivity and the heavy chest/slight shortness of breath feeling taking 2 weeks to fully subside after going back to high PG so I'm hoping that's true and my feeling better means it's working. Funny enough I've also read that people who are sensitive to VG can often tolerate it at levels of 30% or less so they can still do 70/30 which is what I did and am doing now so that's comforting. I've read a lot of "I can do 70/30 fine but more vg than that and I get heavy chested" here so hmm maybe that's a general magic ratio for the vg sensitive.

Cause docs found nothing wrong! (which is good)

Also, all the juice I've used is high quality diacetyl free in glass bottles, etc etc so I was using good stuff. Yes, rotating flavors after a week of mango wondering if mango was the culprit and that didn't help so I really do think it was the VG but it obv hasn't been long enough to tell for SURE. And I used a couple different vendors too.

All I know is for the past 7 years I've "dabbled" in vaping until this time it became my full time cig replacement, I've bought a disposable here and there, bought a pen a few times and used it now and then to cut down on cigs....I've vaped off and on a little bit for years and always with high PG and never with an issue until I vaped full time and went to higher VG. So logic says, that's probably it.

For the record, I DO have anxiety and panic attacks but I don't think that was the cause. I DO admit it was likely a factor, perhaps even a large one, but certainly not all of it (because it DID improve with anxiety meds, but only minimally).

In any case....omg will I miss the taste and smoothness of VG juice though. Like, wow. I loved it. I wish it agreed with me. I seriously loved it. :/ It was so tasty and magical I didn't even miss throat hit. In fact now I'm mad I have throat hit lol. I want some, but not as much as this pg gives at my usual 3-6 mg.

Well, that's my story! I am hoping within a week or two to breathe 100% better again but I'll take this large improvement for now.

Hmm... I know you need to find your "perfect" blend for lack of better terms. Anything above 30/70 PG/VG kills me, and other than smoking since I was 12 (I'm 24 now) I don't have any lung conditions like asthma, bronchitis, etc. But when I used the 50/50 starter version of juices when I first started vaping it felt like I had 200 pounds on my chest. Right now I'm vaping on 10/90 and my lungs feel great despite still smoking anywhere between 1-4 cigarettes a day. If I could offer some advice on your anxiety, what helped me get a hold of mine was meditation, I know it's cheesy sounding, but it helped me a lot with anxiety and depression. I don't know how you handle your anxiety, but it might help.
 

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I've been vaping a variety of juices from 50/50 flavored to 90VG/10 DW unflavored but can't shake this cough almost every time I take a puff. Also coughing phlegm. I've put everything away out of sight so I don't hit it but after a couple of days I'm wanting a cig. Honestly cigs never hit my throat like this and I can see where it could lead to bronchitis. I'm afraid I have to quit.
 

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I've been vaping a variety of juices from 50/50 flavored to 90VG/10 DW unflavored but can't shake this cough almost every time I take a puff. Also coughing phlegm. I've put everything away out of sight so I don't hit it but after a couple of days I'm wanting a cig. Honestly cigs never hit my throat like this and I can see where it could lead to bronchitis. I'm afraid I have to quit.

Or you could try using a lot less VG -- 50/50 is still a LOT of VG -- if I use even 33% VG, I can't breathe at all. I vape at about 86% PG, and manage to keep breathing.

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Or you could try using a lot less VG -- 50/50 is still a LOT of VG -- if I use even 33% VG, I can't breathe at all. I vape at about 86% PG, and manage to keep breathing.

Andria

I've been vaping the 90% sample I have from a nic supplier. I didn't know that some people have a bad reaction and imagined it would be smoother. It is .3% and was hoping it would be super smooth.

I would occasionally get a cough from a Halo sample, 50/50?, that I was vaping previously. I have only been vaping a few months and had abdominal surgery last month so with the coughing I am not wanting to chance it. I'm just not feeling that vaping is safe for me and need to give it up without going back to smokes. This seems like a lot of experimenting and would be much simpler and healthier if I can walk away.
 

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I've been vaping the 90% sample I have from a nic supplier. I didn't know that some people have a bad reaction and imagined it would be smoother. It is .3% and was hoping it would be super smooth.

I would occasionally get a cough from a Halo sample, 50/50?, that I was vaping previously. I have only been vaping a few months and had abdominal surgery last month so with the coughing I am not wanting to chance it. I'm just not feeling that vaping is safe for me and need to give it up without going back to smokes. This seems like a lot of experimenting and would be much simpler and healthier if I can walk away.

Well, as I said, 50/50 is STILL a lot of VG; as for 90% VG... :eek:

If you haven't tried a 70/30 mix, (PG/VG) then you don't know if that would help or not. Or even 75/25; both of those are VERY common ratios in use, or they used to be, before all this cloud-chasing craziness got started. it would be terribly silly to throw out the baby with the bathwater, since you don't know if higher PG would help or not, you're operating strictly on the basis of a lot of VG (50% or more), which does cause some people problems.

Not sure what the ".3%" is, that you're referring to. I'm discussing the PG/VG, which is a ratio -- 50/50, 70/30, or even the 10/90 you've been vaping.

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1 Isn't PG the main ingredient in most breathalizer medication, the substance where medication is dilluted in to be driven into the lungs as spray? So why would they prescribe a breathalizer to someone who may be having a PG reaction (too much of it)? Do physicians know what vaping compounds are or do they think it is water?

2 A smokers lungs and body is uses to CO (carbon monoxide) to the point the body adopts to below normal oxygen just like in the high mountains, even cells of smokers contain high CO, and when the smoker switches to vaping it tends to hyperventilate thinking you are sucking more CO when it is oxygen and vapors you are taking in. A reaction back as a return tsunami is to react to this hyperventilation.

3 PG irritates my throat too much, to the point I start coughing as something is stuck in my throat which further irritates it and I keep on coughing after I start.

4 Eucalyptous I believe is a common content in asthma attack remedies, have you tried any eucalyptous flavored juice? Some cough medicine and drops contain it. If you have such trees around take a few leaves, boil them and inhale the vapor. It helps alot with congestion and is safe enough that I used it for my kids and the pediatrician OKed and congratulated me. It works.

Except for being nicotine addicts even after the last mg we took was 40 years ago, about 4000 different substances many of them addictive, many toxic and carginogenic, use to enter our bodies for years on an hourly basis. I'm surprised to still be alive after quitting. What drug addict is addicted to thousands of substances. So whatever weird thing our body may do due to this it has a good explanation that medicine still hasn't addressed. They were damping all this research on how bad nicotine addiction was they never paid attention to withdrawal symptoms from thousands of substances.

Herbal and alternative medicine may have many answers we will never get from the mainstream biomedical industrial complex which includes academia. Try to become better listeners to what your bodies are telling you. Mine lately says it needs many herbal teas to match the vaping and the cigarette withdrawal. Most of the ones I like have detoxification/cleaning qualities. I try to listen, as I never liked anything past coffee and maybe some black tea.
 

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1 Isn't PG the main ingredient in most breathalizer medication, the substance where medication is dilluted in to be driven into the lungs as spray? So why would they prescribe a breathalizer to someone who may be having a PG reaction (too much of it)? Do physicians know what vaping compounds are or do they think it is water?

2 A smokers lungs and body is uses to CO (carbon monoxide) to the point the body adopts to below normal oxygen just like in the high mountains, even cells of smokers contain high CO, and when the smoker switches to vaping it tends to hyperventilate thinking you are sucking more CO when it is oxygen and vapors you are taking in. A reaction back as a return tsunami is to react to this hyperventilation.

3 PG irritates my throat too much, to the point I start coughing as something is stuck in my throat which further irritates it and I keep on coughing after I start.

4 Eucalyptous I believe is a common content in asthma attack remedies, have you tried any eucalyptous flavored juice? Some cough medicine and drops contain it. If you have such trees around take a few leaves, boil them and inhale the vapor. It helps alot with congestion and is safe enough that I used it for my kids and the pediatrician OKed and congratulated me. It works.

Except for being nicotine addicts even after the last mg we took was 40 years ago, about 4000 different substances many of them addictive, many toxic and carginogenic, use to enter our bodies for years on an hourly basis. I'm surprised to still be alive after quitting. What drug addict is addicted to thousands of substances. So whatever weird thing our body may do due to this it has a good explanation that medicine still hasn't addressed. They were damping all this research on how bad nicotine addiction was they never paid attention to withdrawal symptoms from thousands of substances.

Herbal and alternative medicine may have many answers we will never get from the mainstream biomedical industrial complex which includes academia. Try to become better listeners to what your bodies are telling you. Mine lately says it needs many herbal teas to match the vaping and the cigarette withdrawal. Most of the ones I like have detoxification/cleaning qualities. I try to listen, as I never liked anything past coffee and maybe some black tea.

PG is no longer used in either asthma inhalers (the prescription kind anyway), nor nebulizers.

There is no eucalyptus in any asthma medication either. The only "medication" I know of that contains eucalyptus is OTC cold medications such as lozenges.

If your body is sensitive to inhaling PG, then don't use it. Just as those of us in this thread are sensitive to inhaling VG, and can't use much of it.

Andria
 
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