So many hypocritical ex-smokers.

[ThomasC]

We would be better off just going back to normal cigarettes (rolls eyes).


It's ridiculous.


I think ex-smokers are so hypocritical.


We can only be better off, right? If we're not then what's the point.

It frustrates me. A lot of the discussion on here makes me think, 'what's the point'?

With liquids containing this, this and this...... BUT we are forgetting what we use to inhale into our lungs.

My mum is quite the same, hasn't smoked for years, but now is so far up on her high horse with it she is very nearly falling off.

Can we just chill?

 

[Paloma Smith]

what are you doing on here if you aren't an ex smoker?

 

[firephly]

what are you doing on here if you aren't an ex smoker?

OP didn't say they aren't an ex-smoker

 

[papabogart]

Suggested reading: Dale Carnegie: "How to Win Friends and Influence people."

 

[stevegmu]

Many of us quit smoking because we knew what it would probably eventually lead to- an early, painful death. Some of us are actually concerned about what we now inhale. I didn't dodge the bullet from smoking over 20 years only to end up with popcorn lung. It would be like me not being concerned about breathing in burning PVCs at work because I used to smoke. Doesn't make a lot of sense, to me...

 

[AndriaD]

We would be better off just going back to normal cigarettes (rolls eyes).


It's ridiculous.


I think ex-smokers are so hypocritical.


We can only be better off, right? If we're not then what's the point.

It frustrates me. A lot of the discussion on here makes me think, 'what's the point'?

With liquids containing this, this and this...... BUT we are forgetting what we use to inhale into our lungs.

My mum is quite the same, hasn't smoked for years, but now is so far up on her high horse with it she is very nearly falling off.

Can we just chill?

I think a lot of the hooraw about different things in flavors is that, having finally ditched all the tar and poison from cigarettes, we don't want to find out that we're no better off, thanks to toxic crap in e-liquid. But I do think a lot of the frenzy about it is somewhat hysterical. Some people may vape unflavored, but I certainly would never do that -- when I first started vaping, I wanted something similar to the cigarettes I smoked for donkey's years. Now I don't really care for that taste except right after eating, but the rest of the time, I like sweet stuff -- bakery flavors, in fact, which are some of the "worst offenders" for those supposedly-bad things in the flavors.

If those who vape unflavored are ok with that, then great, for THEM -- but I'm not about to ditch flavors, I want it to TASTE LIKE SOMETHING. If it tastes like nothing, I'm not going to be happy with it, and so probably would go back to smoking.

I'm 53 yrs old. If I stayed a smoker, I could perhaps expect another 10-15 yrs. As a vaper, that's almost certainly been boosted somewhat, but who can know the future? I might die in a horrible car wreck next week -- god forbid. The point is that everyone is going to die of something. The best way to have a long life is to stay in a closet and consume nothing but bread and water -- and who on earth would want THAT? Not me! I refuse to martyr myself for some hysterical concept of "purity." I *like* nicotine and I *like* flavors.

Bring on the blueberry muffin e-juice!

Andria

 

[SupplyDaddy]

I think a lot of the hooraw about different things in flavors is that, having finally ditched all the tar and poison from cigarettes, we don't want to find out that we're no better off, thanks to toxic crap in e-liquid. But I do think a lot of the frenzy about it is somewhat hysterical. Some people may vape unflavored, but I certainly would never do that -- when I first started vaping, I wanted something similar to the cigarettes I smoked for donkey's years. Now I don't really care for that taste except right after eating, but the rest of the time, I like sweet stuff -- bakery flavors, in fact, which are some of the "worst offenders" for those supposedly-bad things in the flavors.

If those who vape unflavored are ok with that, then great, for THEM -- but I'm not about to ditch flavors, I want it to TASTE LIKE SOMETHING. If it tastes like nothing, I'm not going to be happy with it, and so probably would go back to smoking.

I'm 53 yrs old. If I stayed a smoker, I could perhaps expect another 10-15 yrs. As a vaper, that's almost certainly been boosted somewhat, but who can know the future? I might die in a horrible car wreck next week -- god forbid. The point is that everyone is going to die of something. The best way to have a long life is to stay in a closet and consume nothing but bread and water -- and who on earth would want THAT? Not me! I refuse to martyr myself for some hysterical concept of "purity." I *like* nicotine and I *like* flavors.

Bring on the blueberry muffin e-juice!

Andria

You obviously haven't read the ingredients in bread lately. ..

My mom is an ex smoker. So far, from across the Atlantic, she has been supportive. We will see how that goes when she stays with us for a month during the Christmas season. 3 vapers in the house and she use to be a 3 pack a day smoker.

~sent from my galaxy mega using taptalk~

 

[AndriaD]

You obviously haven't read the ingredients in bread lately. ..

My mom is an ex smoker. So far, from across the Atlantic, she has been supportive. We will see how that goes when she stays with us for a month during the Christmas season. 3 vapers in the house and she use to be a 3 pack a day smoker.

I buy only whole grain bread -- either whole wheat or high-fiber whole wheat -- because there's entirely too much wrong with the whole concept of white flour, unless you're a pioneer travelling for months across a continent in a conestoga wagon -- that's what white flour was created for, to give flour a tremendously long shelf life under conditions like that. Now we have refrigerators! But I'm quite sure there's crap in even whole wheat bread that would probably appall me -- a certain allowed percentage of bug parts, for example -- that's the case with any commercially-available food item. I read the labels, and try to identify food with the least amount of pure crap that I can find -- there is probably no such thing as a wholly pure food in today's world, unless you grow it organically yourself, raise the food animals yourself, make it all from scratch yourself -- way too time consuming for me and most people, in today's world -- we don't live in an agricultural world anymore. And that means that certain things have to be added, to preserve food so it can be shipped and stored -- it's inescapable.

Bodies are pretty resilient -- as long as the parts-per-million of toxic stuff doesn't exceed certain levels. But nobody gets outta here alive.

Andria

PS: good luck with the month with mom -- if my mother stayed with me for even a week, they'd be calling the guys in the white coats for me.

 

[chopdoc]

I did a little net research on the chemicals that are suppose to be bad and if I couldnt find any information on any vapors who got sick within the last year or so from vaping. The guys who got popcorn lung worked around the chemicals and was breathing it daily. They still are not sure if the Diacetyl actually caused it or not. Really it was people who worked making microwavable popcorn I believe who are the ones who actually got sick and only a couple cases of it. Hence the term popcorn lung.

As for anyone who vapes getting sick from vaping within the last couple years, nothing at all other than possible VG or PG allergies.

I love custards. I love vanilla. If the only way I can make these juices with those flavors is from using flavors with Diacetyl in them, so be it. I am not overly worried about it. The more I research it the more I think its just a big scare. But if I can get the same flavors as Diacetyl free, then there is no harm with some caution.

 

[Auntie Mame]

Oh please! Look at the long list of stuff in our everyday life that is considered bad for us! Grilled food. Anything processed. High fructose corn syrup. Saturated fats. Partially hydrogenated oils. Smoke from damn near anything that can produce smoke. Smoked foods. Too much of good things. The list is endless.

We all live with certain risks. We evaluate them and based on our comfort level, we accept some of those risks. I think vaping is far less risky than smoking. Therefore, I choose to vape.

 

[Robino1]

Moved from General E-Liquid to General Vaping discussion

 

[Robino1]

We would be better off just going back to normal cigarettes (rolls eyes).


It's ridiculous.


I think ex-smokers are so hypocritical.


We can only be better off, right? If we're not then what's the point.

It frustrates me. A lot of the discussion on here makes me think, 'what's the point'?

With liquids containing this, this and this...... BUT we are forgetting what we use to inhale into our lungs.

My mum is quite the same, hasn't smoked for years, but now is so far up on her high horse with it she is very nearly falling off.

Can we just chill?

We would love it if everyone would just chill.
Unfortunately, there is so much misinformation and people with agendas out there, it is tough to fight. I'm trying though.

 

[InTheShade]

I really dislike the argument that just because I used to smoke I need not worry about what I am inhaling now I vape.

I switched from cigarettes because I care about my health. I think vaping is far safer than smoking, but why on earth would I not continue to research and find out about what I am inhaling?

If necessary I can then adjust my vaping style, liquid choices, wicking materials etc to mitigate any additional risks.

Without some of the discussions here on ECF I wouldn't be able to gather the information I need to make these choices.

So you can say chill, I'll say bring it. I care about what I inhale and I think the discussion is healthy.

 

[BackDoc]

When we were smokers we were desensitized to the array of noxious chemicals we inhaled ......now our senses are awakened if you will and we pursue a healthier lifestyle , and part of that , at least for me is being more conscious of what we inhale even if it makes a marginal difference I think its worth pursuing .......my 2 cents

 

[classwife]

With smoking, my pack of Virgina Slims was just like yours...
His pack of Kools was just like that other guy's...


We just opened the packs and smoked them !






With vaping...isn't it glorious that we can, each and every one of us, customize to what our individual wants and needs are !!

I can put in what I want and leave out what I don't !

 

[AndriaD]

I love custards. I love vanilla. If the only way I can make these juices with those flavors is from using flavors with Diacetyl in them, so be it. I am not overly worried about it. The more I research it the more I think its just a big scare. But if I can get the same flavors as Diacetyl free, then there is no harm with some caution.

I feel that way too, and I love the baked goods flavors, which also seem to be big culprits. I'm finding that bullcityvapor shows the ones that have any of the "bad" stuff, so I'm kinda basing my flavor selections off that. I do think a lot of the yammering about those ingredients is hysterical... but I have asthma, and I know very well how it feels to be unable to breathe, and it's horrible, terrifying. So I think I'll stick to brands of the flavors I like that don't contain the so-called "bad" ingredients. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop vaping flavors of baked goods, or creamy rich vanillas and whatnot -- I'll just be careful how I vote with my dollars; eventually, the flavor manufacturers will get on the safer-ingredients train, or they'll get left behind (by the vaping world at least). Capella has already reworked several of their flavors to make them safer for vaping.

Andria

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Here's a good one for you.

I have a buddy who started vaping about 2 weeks before I did.

In the 2 weeks it took me to go from dual use to vaping alone, he quit that too, no more vaping.

The next 2 weeks were normal.

Then he started complaining under his breath atnd whining, evertime somebody was smoking, in a smoking permitted bar.

So I started handing him tissues.

<Time elapse 2 months>

I meet him at the bar to watch the game, out comes a cigarette and he lights up.

SMH!

 

[AndriaD]

Here's a good one for you.

I have a buddy who started vaping about 2 weeks before I did.

In the 2 weeks it took me to go from dual use to vaping alone, he quit that too, no more vaping.

The next 2 weeks were normal.

Then he started complaining under his breath atnd whining, evertime somebody was smoking, in a smoking permitted bar.

So I started handing him tissues.

<Time elapse 2 months>

I meet him at the bar to watch the game, out comes a cigarette and he lights up.

SMH!

Yeah... everytime I hear of someone who "stops vaping"... I just start a timer, to see when they start back to smoking.

And that's what I tell people who ask me the very stupid question, 'so when are you going to stop DOING THAT?'... I say, either never, or, when I decide to start smoking again. After 39 yrs of smoking, being able to do neither is a pipe dream -- it's one or the other for me, and I suspect that's true for a lot of folks who were very-long-term smokers -- physical addictions aren't too tough, once the withdrawal is over... but behavior? That's a horse of a different color entirely, when the behavior has been practiced and reinforced for 3/4 of your entire life. I only drank for about 13 yrs, and the physical addiction was over in about 30-60 days... but it took me at least 10 yrs of sobriety to get over that particular behavior, that need to reach for that particular mind-altering substance in times of stress.

Andria

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Here's a good one for you.

I have a buddy who started vaping about 2 weeks before I did.

In the 2 weeks it took me to go from dual use to vaping alone, he quit that too, no more vaping.

The next 2 weeks were normal.

Then he started complaining under his breath atnd whining, evertime somebody was smoking, in a smoking permitted bar.

So I started handing him tissues.

<Time elapse 2 months>

I meet him at the bar to watch the game, out comes a cigarette and he lights up.

SMH!

Betting he's not an ECFer.

 

[HauntedMyst]

It's ridiculous.


I think ex-smokers are so hypocritical.

It's true. The other day I went out in the back yard and saw my son flicking matches into the fire pit. I told him not to play with fire and sent him to his room.

Then you know what I did? I played with fire. I felt so duplicitous until I saw the flame shooting up from the lighter fluid he had added to the logs. It was pretty cool. So I filled his Super Soaker with lighter fluid and played with big fire! Awesome! (until the Super Soaker caught fire and melted but that was a pretty nifty flame arc!)