So What's the verdict? WTA's in E Juice or Not?

[antman012]

This question has been killing me as a new member... I have tried to read thru all of DVAP's threads but it can't be done.

I have a couple questions....

Did WTA's turn out to be the missing link and if so where can I purchase said item.. If not, has anything else been discovered since the theory came about back in 2009? (volts, mods) etc..

Thanks!!!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Hi and welcome
not sure what it is you are talking about? WTA's? there are plenty of variable voltage mods available......what is it you are hunting?
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[Maxine]

Did you read this particular blog, parts 1 and 2? Madame Psychosis Summary

Edit: and 3...

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Did you read this particular blog, parts 1 and 2? Madame Psychosis Summary

Edit: and 3...

Thanks for the link....I knew of this subject matter, but this is the best link yet....

 

[antman012]

Hi and welcome
not sure what it is you are talking about? WTA's? there are plenty of variable voltage mods available......what is it you are hunting?
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Thanks for the quick response..

Some people like myself feel there is something missing from our vapor. We all now know that nic delivery is lower than what we thought but some does make it thru depending alot on what volt, mod, juice that you use. ( what's the best combo by the way?)

DVAP was working on trying to determine if WTA's(whole tobacco alkaloids) were the missing link. Some even starting making juice with WTA. It made sense to me and i was wondering if it ever caught on.. I would like to buy that type of liquid..

Thanks so much!!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

You could look at notcigs.com or provari both are excellent vv pv mods

 

[antman012]

You could look at notcigs.com or provari both are excellent vv pv mods

Thanks.. I read somewhere the superT did a great job of raising nic level.. It was some study by a doctor in Va. I wonder why? I vape a E GO T/B right now and it works great but I do like the mods. My problem with the mods is I need a tank. I hate having to drip...

Thanks so much for your advise.. Maybe I will make some snus juice...

 

[antman012]

Did you read this particular blog, parts 1 and 2? Madame Psychosis Summary

Edit: and 3...

I did thanks.. I was hoping some company had gotten the idea and made a e liquid with some WTA's mixed in... It would be a smart move by someone out there...

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Look at huge tanks from goodprohpets.com or stormy vaping center(maybe do a search for stormy) don't have a link right now.. and clouds of vapor has 4ml sized tanks --if you can get them.

 

[DVap]

All,

The topic of WTA or whole tobacco alkaloids in the form of an eliquid is actually pretty simple at it's base.

-The liquids we buy contain nicotine as the active ingredient.

-Tobacco contains not only the alkaloid we know as nicotine, but also a surprising number of other alkaloids. While nicotine is the dominant alkaloid amount-wise in tobacco (90-95%), these other alkaloids are present at a combined concentration of around 5 - 10% of the total concentration of nicotine.

-These other nicotine-like alkaloids (which are processed out of the nicotine used in eliquid) are active compounds, just as nicotine is, and they each contribute something to the "profile" of the satisfaction we used to get from tobacco.

-Nicotine only eliquid is to a cigarette as a pizza crust smeared with a little tomato sauce is to a fully loaded pizza (to paraphrase my old forum buddy, Kinabaloo). It just ain't the same!

The tricky part is this: It takes a pretty experienced chemist to isolate and purify the various alkaloids present in tobacco and mix them down into an eliquid of known alkaloid content . The good news for some is that Swedish Snus also contains the spread of tobacco alkaloids that we've been referring to as WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids).

Again, as has been suggested before, there's a good summary of the whole discussion and process summarized in my blog in three posts that Madame Psychosis put together (and I posted) some time ago to provide a tight summary of the topic.

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Makes sense. Similar is true of at least some other plants that are consumed for pharmacological purposes. Thanks for the post and the link.

 

[antman012]

Thanks DVAP.. But please... for my sanity tell me what snus has to do with it.. I understand that it contains the full profile of WTA's but how are people incorporating this into the juice? Are they soaking a snus pak with some nic liquid? Are they using it along with e Juice? That's what I am wondering... I get the chemistry... I just need a link to how to How to make it happen for me..

Thanks!!

All,

The topic of WTA or whole tobacco alkaloids in the form of an eliquid is actually pretty simple at it's base.

-The liquids we buy contain nicotine as the active ingredient.

-Tobacco contains not only the alkaloid we know as nicotine, but also a surprising number of other alkaloids. While nicotine is the dominant alkaloid amount-wise in tobacco (90-95%), these other alkaloids are present at a combined concentration of around 5 - 10% of the total concentration of nicotine.

-These other nicotine-like alkaloids (which are processed out of the nicotine used in eliquid) are active compounds, just as nicotine is, and they each contribute something to the "profile" of the satisfaction we used to get from tobacco.

-Nicotine only eliquid is to a cigarette as a pizza crust smeared with a little tomato sauce is to a fully loaded pizza (to paraphrase my old forum buddy, Kinabaloo). It just ain't the same!

The tricky part is this: It takes a pretty experienced chemist to isolate and purify the various alkaloids present in tobacco and mix them down into an eliquid of known alkaloid content . The good news for some is that Swedish Snus also contains the spread of tobacco alkaloids that we've been referring to as WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids).

Again, as has been suggested before, there's a good summary of the whole discussion and process summarized in my blog in three posts that Madame Psychosis put together (and I posted) some time ago to provide a tight summary of the topic.

 

[srrandom]

This question has been killing me as a new member... I have tried to read thru all of DVAP's threads but it can't be done.

I have a couple questions....

Did WTA's turn out to be the missing link and if so where can I purchase said item.. If not, has anything else been discovered since the theory came about back in 2009? (volts, mods) etc..

Thanks!!!

I've had some success with tceights kitchen methods. My only concern is removing the acidic element at the end. Causes me to cough up a storm.

 

[thewomenfolk]

One reason we switch from analogs to ecigs is to get away from tobacco. If we vape tobacco are we getting any of the same poisons we got with our analogs?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Probably,some but not all.....that is why some members use snus......some are not only addicted to the nic,,,,but to the 'other' things the big companies put in the process.of producting the cigarettes....
for most people ecigs and nic are enough,,,,,some , not enough...

 

[hittman]

One reason we switch from analogs to ecigs is to get away from tobacco. If we vape tobacco are we getting any of the same poisons we got with our analogs?

I just happened to stumble upon this thread and am glad that Dvap made a post. I have vaped the WTA liquid that Dvap mentions. Thewomenfolk, I asked myself the same question after a few days of using the WTA liquid. The feel and taste of the vapor from it actually made me feel a little guilty like I was smoking. I think that what you get depends on what tobacco you start the process with. I believe that most of the bad stuff we get from smoking is either from burning the tobacco or the other stuff that BT adds to keep us addicted.

Dvap mentions snus also. I believe that he means that one could consider using it as it is intended, which is under the top lip. I know some other people out there have done snus/tobacco soaks and such but don't think that you really get the WTA's with just a soak. Some of the things I have read about people trying are a bit scary to me. I supplement my vaping with snus or I guess by now I should say that I supplement my snus with vaping. I went from vaping 4-5ml of 24-36mg liquid a day and still not ever feeling satisfied to vaping less than a ml a day and using 7-10 portions of snus a day and feeling much better for it. Many people think that swedish snus is the same as chew/dip with the same risks but it is not. Swedish snus is pasteurized tobacco instead of fermented and the safety levels are monitored by their government. If I remember correctly, swedish snus is about 98% safer than smoking. I didn't mean to get on a soap box or anything but was just hoping to contribute to this thread.

 

[JD1]

I think another option to explore is vitamins and minerals. More and more, it's becoming very evident that our diets aren't always stellar. For me, it's too much coffee and refined sugar lol. I'm trying to improve my diet and I've also started taking b12 and D, along with cod liver oil. It seems to be helping.

 

[earthpig]

Ya cannot get adequate vitamins or minerals in e-liquid to supply any where near the RDA requirements . It's impossible in the amount of e-liquid, since 80%+ is PG or VG, which leaves little room for anything worth considering.

Done a lot of digging and math on the subject exploring it. A few companies are making claims....none releas the amount put in the juice since they know it's insanely low and stupid.

Pig

 

[John Phoenix]

This question has been killing me as a new member... I have tried to read thru all of DVAP's threads but it can't be done.

I have a couple questions....

Did WTA's turn out to be the missing link and if so where can I purchase said item.. If not, has anything else been discovered since the theory came about back in 2009? (volts, mods) etc..

Thanks!!!

Check out my thread here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...end-quit-smoking-e-cigs-do-you-find-also.html

It covers some of the info already given above as well as other info we managed to dig up concerning WTA's and other things your body craves from Tobacco.

Turns out we are addicted to a lot more than just nicotine and WTA's.

 

[earthpig]

I buy the one argument by the poster on the link.
80% of our addiction is Nic.
So to me, if we can get over the 80%, the remainder is a cake walk!