So when did we start calling 'em personal vaporizers?

[NY JETS]

I can most certainly agree with you there Lu. The typical use of the words won't go away regardless of any such pressure, and I've always had a thing about being pushed to conform.

At the same time, I also really think that we need to work together to keep e-cigs available. I really do think a name change in the marketing of the products is a very important step in keeping e-cigs from being banned. The difference words make when dealing with regulation can be seen in the marketing of devices for weed as well as the wording used when selling herbal remedies.

I had a thought that the unchanged names in the forums and personal websites would be a big part of making sure the vendors who change their marketing continue to get the same amount of business. The search engines would be finding the forums and personal sites due to all the continued usage of those keywords even though the vendor's listings for those words would fade over time. The forums and people should be encourage to take an active role in directing newcomers to those same businesses in order to prevent them from losing their income.

If such a relatively small thing only gives e-cigs a slightly better chance of staying off the banned list, the payoff still seems more than worth the effort to me. It's important we work together, vendors and users both, because this technology is so new that it would be very easy for them to stamp it out before it catches on.

I truly believe that the only word that must be avoided is safe, and all forms of it, i.e. safer, safest, healthy etc. The use of this word in marketing will lead to the FDA saying, "OH YEA?? SAYS WHO!?" Thats when it will hit the fan. Any website or manual that uses the word safe will be to blame.

Thats not to say that the facts can't clearly be stated. One can say that this liquid being vaped contains only these ingredients, which have all been regarded as relatively safe by so and so. The atomization process is fairly simple and is similar to a commercial fog machine.

The problem arises when you start stating things that usually cost companys millions of dollars to be able to say.

 

[ApOsTle51]

It wont matter a monkeys uncle what you call them the device isnt the problem as far as the banning issues are concerned, it's the e-liquid we should all be more concerned over.

just for the record i think personal vapourizer sounds too medical. Inhaler is more socially acceptable but still has medical connotations...it's an electronic cigarette , a nictotine delivery device it has only one purpose and that is to give a hit of a highly dangerous and very addictive drug to the user. without the liquid being available the device becomes redundant.

Liquid people ...liquid

 

[dohsma]

It wont matter a monkeys uncle what you call them the device isnt the problem as far as the banning issues are concerned, it's the e-liquid we should all be more concerned over.

just for the record i think personal vapourizer sounds too medical. Inhaler is more socially acceptable but still has medical connotations...it's an electronic cigarette , a nictotine delivery device it has only one purpose and that is to give a hit of a highly dangerous and very addictive drug to the user. without the liquid being available the device becomes redundant.

Liquid people ...liquid

I was actually right about to post this same sentiment. I don't think the actual device will be banned no matter what it's called. But what is the point without the liquid.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I was actually right about to post this same sentiment. I don't think the actual device will be banned no matter what it's called. But what is the point without the liquid.

Ahhhh... but you can't think that way about the vaporizer. You have to remember that it must be able to be used for other things than just our liquid or it can be seen as a medical device used to deliver a specific medication(if the liquid is found to be a "medication")

As TB has demonstrated, you can soak tobacco in pg and still use it in the ecig. So, come up with other things so when us suppliers have to go to bat for all of us, we have some further uses for the ecig. Please keep your "other things" legal.

 

[dohsma]

Ahhhh... but you can't think that way about the vaporizer. You have to remember that it must be able to be used for other things than just our liquid or it can be seen as a medical device used to deliver a specific medication(if the liquid is found to be a "medication")

As TB has demonstrated, you can soak tobacco in pg and still use it in the ecig. So, come up with other things so when us suppliers have to go to bat for all of us, we have some further uses for the ecig. Please keep your "other things" legal.

Personally I actually vape quite a bit of home brew non-nic liquid, but I was just saying as a whole, in converting smokers to vaping, if there is not that initial draw that comes from having the nicotine available in the liquid, I'm not sure there would be much of a market. At least as far as new business goes. But if it'll help the cause I'll call it whatever I need to. Since I bought this thing I haven't had a single analog, it would be a darn shame if it was taken away from us all.

PS: Do you know how TB went about soaking the tobacco? Did he just put the tobacco in the PG, let it soak, then strain it out? I have heard others talking about this, but I haven't been able to find the thread where he talks about this.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Personally I actually vape quite a bit of home brew non-nic liquid, but I was just saying as a whole, in converting smokers to vaping, if there is not that initial draw that comes from having the nicotine available in the liquid, I'm not sure there would be much of a market. At least as far as new business goes. But if it'll help the cause I'll call it whatever I need to. Since I bought this thing I haven't had a single analog, it would be a darn shame if it was taken away from us all.

PS: Do you know how TB went about soaking the tobacco? Did he just put the tobacco in the PG, let it soak, then strain it out? I have heard others talking about this, but I haven't been able to find the thread where he talks about this.

I meant to say welcome to the forum in my last post! So Welcome!

I am right there with you. I am a happy smoker who now smokes electronically and I will tell you and I AM healthier and happier... I can feel it. Plus, I don't even think about a tobacco cigarette anymore. It's fabulous. After 15 years of jonesing for that next cig, it is such a nice relief!

I am not sure how TB did it, but I am sure if you PM'd him, he would be more than happy to send you his "how to". He's a good guy and knows A LOT about his vices.

 

[dohsma]

I meant to say welcome to the forum in my last post! So Welcome!

I am right there with you. I am a happy smoker who now smokes electronically and I will tell you and I AM healthier and happier... I can feel it. Plus, I don't even think about a tobacco cigarette anymore. It's fabulous. After 15 years of jonesing for that next cig, it is such a nice relief!

I am not sure how TB did it, but I am sure if you PM'd him, he would be more than happy to send you his "how to". He's a good guy and knows A LOT about his vices.

Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the advice. I will PM him and pick his brain. I just wanna be ready in case the unthinkable happens and the liquid is no longer available. And I really don't want to go back to cigs.

 

[Sunshyn]

If the liquid becomes unavailable, I doubt that the devices will be popular enough for them to continue being produced and sold for very long.

 

[dohsma]

If the liquid becomes unavailable, I doubt that the devices will be popular enough for them to continue being produced and sold for very long.

That was my thought exactly. I know I enjoy vaping with no nic, but why would a smoker want to use a device that can vaporize pg and maybe some flavoring without the draw of nicotine. I started mixing some of my own juices without nicotine, but it was the nicotine plus the sensation of smoking that even made me think about ecigs.

 

[Kamanjah]

eBay has now banned the sale of electronic cigarettes. Liquids are still listed. Go figure!

If I hadn't seen the phrase 'electronic cigarette' I would never have found them, but it's the C word that immediately gets hackles up.

If you search personal vaporizer on google, you get a bunch of Vicks type stuff and herbal vaporizers.

People are just trying to come up with something that doesn't draw the attention of the FDA in the US and antis everywhere. I don't give a hoot what it's called, just call it LEGAL!

 

[igetcha]

eBay has now banned the sale of electronic cigarettes. Liquids are still listed. Go figure!

If I hadn't seen the phrase 'electronic cigarette' I would never have found them, but it's the C word that immediately gets hackles up.

If you search personal vaporizer on google, you get a bunch of Vicks type stuff and herbal vaporizers.

People are just trying to come up with something that doesn't draw the attention of the FDA in the US and antis everywhere. I don't give a hoot what it's called, just call it LEGAL!

is that just the US Ebay? i just checked on ebay.co.uk and there are literally hundreds listed. i cant imagine ebay only banning them on the american site so i reckon we are next!

 

[igetcha]

Ahhhh... but you can't think that way about the vaporizer. You have to remember that it must be able to be used for other things than just our liquid or it can be seen as a medical device used to deliver a specific medication(if the liquid is found to be a "medication")

As TB has demonstrated, you can soak tobacco in pg and still use it in the ecig. So, come up with other things so when us suppliers have to go to bat for all of us, we have some further uses for the ecig. Please keep your "other things" legal.

thats a pretty tough thing to be able to come up with other uses for the e-cig (sorry, vaporiser!) because it is designed for one specific purpose.
my first thought was as a theatre prop.........but i doubt the fda would be very impressed with that! lol

could you get the ball rolling lacey with an idea that you have thought for an alternative use? might help people think better if we have a good starting point.

cheers

 

[Flitzanu]

ummm....

njoy, Health Beauty, Electronics items on eBay.com

they're still listed.

 

[Sunshyn]

One alternative use might be with herbal remedies. Some of those consist of breathing in the steam made by herbal teas and such. The e-cigs can take most of the extracts because they are made very carefully not to include artificial colors or other additives.

I also use mine as a placebo rather than for nicotine distribution. I've kicked nicotine but have a hard time with not smoking for the feel and actions involved. The good taste of the flavorings I'm mixing up don't hurt either. In fact, they make for a nice treat, non-fattening and do not seem to affect blood sugar levels either.