So your teenager is vaping e-cigarettes – should you worry?

[sofarsogood]

This is so reasonable it makes me lightheaded. Once in a while there is sensible reporting. You don't lie to parents about the welfare of their kids unless you are a california health official.

So your teenager is vaping e-cigarettes

 

[AndriaD]

This is so reasonable it makes me lightheaded. Once in a while there is sensible reporting. You don't lie to parents about the welfare of their kids unless you are a california health official.

So your teenager is vaping e-cigarettes

I agree, there was more good sense in that article than has come from the FDA, CDC, and WHO combined for the LAST YEAR.

Nice to see that some of the media is NOT on the BT/BP payroll.

Andria

 

[Rat2chat2]

Excellent article.

 

[VNeil]

Although a generally very positive article, it does not even allude to the fact that ingesting nicotine via eCigs is almost certainly not addictive (assuming the person never smokes), verses the very well known addictive effects of cigarette smoking.

Teens that smoke do so because of social peer pressure. By the time they are old enough and mature enough to outgrow these fad or peer pressure habits, they are hooked solid on cigs. It would certainly be a lot easier to quit vaping than quitting cigs.

And I guess this is why the fact that nicotine by itself has proven to be not addictive will never see the light of day in the popular media. Since it suggests that eCigs would be very beneficial in terms of keeping teens from developing an addiction to nicotine, and we can't have that, can we? Sigh. Just sigh.

 

[AndriaD]

Although a generally very positive article, it does not even allude to the fact that ingesting nicotine via eCigs is almost certainly not addictive (assuming the person never smokes), verses the very well known addictive effects of cigarette smoking.

Teens that smoke do so because of social peer pressure. By the time they are old enough and mature enough to outgrow these fad or peer pressure habits, they are hooked solid on cigs. It would certainly be a lot easier to quit vaping than quitting cigs.

And I guess this is why the fact that nicotine by itself has proven to be not addictive will never see the light of day in the popular media. Since it suggests that eCigs would be very beneficial in terms of keeping teens from developing an addiction to nicotine, and we can't have that, can we? Sigh. Just sigh.

A good reason for that lack is probably the controversy surrounding that subject -- even here, with dedicated, long-term vapers who DO know a thing or two about nicotine, you still find find those who are CONVINCED that nicotine is a nasty awful horribly-addictive drug, and there is just no persuading them otherwise, their minds are CLOSED on that subject. If you can't even get those who SHOULD know better to believe it, fat chance of getting the gen'l public to believe it, when they've been bombarded for years with nonsense about how horribly addictive nicotine is.

Andria

 

[RCHagy74]

As far to many people chug down he most socially accepted drug combo ever... caffeine and sugar. Perception folks. Perception.

Makes me want to gouge peoples eyes out sometimes...


Oops, I think I wrote that out loud.


RC Hagy

 

[Rlrick]

So here we go again youth Vaping instead of smoking. Should we do the right thing and restrict our teenagers from even trying Vaping and allow them to move on to smoking combustible cigarettes? I am no Doctor or scientist but what I am is a 48 year smoker who was addicted to combustible cigarettes at roughly two to three packs a day. The smoking addiction comes within the first two years of smoking when the brain is most vulnerable to being reprogrammed. Nicotine is not the problem as it only acts as an enhancer and stimulant to the nitrosamines and sugars along with the other chemicals added to the tobacco plant during the curing process. After Vaping for a year and reducing my nicotine level from 12mg/ml down to 1mg/ml of nicotine, I still have to be very cautious of not allowing myself to slide back into smoking. For 48 years I have programmed my brain that it needed the addictive chemicals of combustible tobacco products. Hopefully our teenagers who are smoking are wising up to the fact that smoking does kill and are also looking to alternatives. Teenagers are very smart and do pay more attention to what we parents are going through than we dare give them credit for. Do not take me wrong I would not wish this nasty addiction or habit on no youth or adult in no way but if our youth can stop smoking combustible tobacco at early enough age then maybe they won’t have to suffer the sickness and withdrawals so many of us long term smokers are going through.

 

[AndriaD]

So here we go again youth Vaping instead of smoking. Should we do the right thing and restrict our teenagers from even trying Vaping and allow them to move on to smoking combustible cigarettes? I am no Doctor or scientist but what I am is a 48 year smoker who was addicted to combustible cigarettes at roughly two to three packs a day. The smoking addiction comes within the first two years of smoking when the brain is most vulnerable to being reprogrammed. Nicotine is not the problem as it only acts as an enhancer and stimulant to the nitrosamines and sugars along with the other chemicals added to the tobacco plant during the curing process. After Vaping for a year and reducing my nicotine level from 12mg/ml down to 1mg/ml of nicotine, I still have to be very cautious of not allowing myself to slide back into smoking. For 48 years I have programmed my brain that it needed the addictive chemicals of combustible tobacco products. Hopefully our teenagers who are smoking are wising up to the fact that smoking does kill and are also looking to alternatives. Teenagers are very smart and do pay more attention to what we parents are going through than we dare give them credit for. Do not take me wrong I would not wish this nasty addiction or habit on no youth or adult in no way but if our youth can stop smoking combustible tobacco at early enough age then maybe they won’t have to suffer the sickness and withdrawals so many of us long term smokers are going through.

Restricting teenagers is NOT "the right thing", because vaping does NOT lead to smoking. That's like saying that the internet leads to Morse code. That the telephone leads to tins cans and string. That driving a car leads to rollerskates.

Vaping leads AWAY from smoking, so allowing teenagers to do it IS "the right thing" -- so that maybe they won't start smoking instead. Or if they ever do TRY smoking, they quickly realize how gagamaggot burning tobacco tastes compared to sweet vapor.

Andria

 

[Jman8]

Far better article than many, but not great.

Article says:

Prohibitions on sale of vaping products to youth should be supported.

And only reason to support this is:

Without such policies, there might be even more experimentation by youth with these products.

Saying this after having just said:

What is said and done about vaping can promote gateways to cigarettes. If you show more concern about vaping than smoking or if you downplay the deadly risks of smoking, you encourage young people to switch to cigarettes.

Such a tricky tricky tightrope the prohibitions have to walk.

 

[Rlrick]

I still would much rather see a teenager who is smoking switch over to Vaping any day. No good can come from smoking only sickness and ill health plus extreme costs of the products. This is why we ex-smokers and smokers need to win this battle we are fighting so dearly not to allow all the Anti vapers from winning and gaining control.

 

[DC2]

A good reason for that lack is probably the controversy surrounding that subject -- even here, with dedicated, long-term vapers who DO know a thing or two about nicotine, you still find find those who are CONVINCED that nicotine is a nasty awful horribly-addictive drug, and there is just no persuading them otherwise, their minds are CLOSED on that subject. If you can't even get those who SHOULD know better to believe it, fat chance of getting the gen'l public to believe it, when they've been bombarded for years with nonsense about how horribly addictive nicotine is.

The thing we have to realize is that it takes time, even here...

A lot of new posters are unaware of the lies they have been fed for decades.
Curing that takes a lot of work and persistence.

I think how long it takes a new vaper to understand fully depends very much on which subforums they frequent.

And that is why it is important to bring these issues into the General Vaping Discussion subforum.
I try to do that now and then, in a way that keeps the topic there instead of being moved.

Help is always appreciated in this effort.

 

[Bill Godshall]

During the past twenty years, Lynn Kozlowski (who authored this article) has written more than a dozen journal articles advocating THR, exposing the negligible risks of smokeless tobacco (and e-cigs for the past several years), exposing and criticizing the many false and misleading claims by THR opponents, and pointing out that public health officials have an ethical and humanitarian duty to truthfully inform the public that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are far less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes.

It was Lynn, Dave Sweanor and Clive Bates who convinced me to begin advocating for THR products and policies fifteen years ago.

 

[DC2]

As far to many people chug down he most socially accepted drug combo ever... caffeine and sugar. Perception folks. Perception.

I mostly avoid sugar and caffeine, although a cup of joe now and then is not beneath me.
Nor are a few See's Candies or an occasional chocolate chip cookie.


But yeah, what you said.

Although you did leave out mention of alcohol...
Which comes in nearly as many yummy kids flavors as does our vape liquid.

 

[DC2]

Such a tricky tricky tightrope the prohibitions have to walk.

Well, given that money is on one end of that tightrope, and lives are at the other...
It's a bit surprising that they have such a tough time walking it.

Oh, wait, yeah... the money.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Gave my 18 year old a new kit because he was both interested in e-cigs and was smoking flavoured cigars.
He's also seeing what a lifetime of smoking is doing to his beloved nana. It's killing her yet she continues to smoke like a train...can't stop. I am confident that I've done the right thing by giving him an option other than smoking and possibly ending up like his nan.

Reports are getting a little less ANTI as time goes by, hope the trend continues. Cheers.

 

[DC2]

Reports are getting a little less ANTI as time goes by, hope the trend continues. Cheers.

Reports (articles) in general?
Yes.

In the mainstream media?
Not so much.

The mainstream media is the facilitator of all the lies.
And I wish I knew how to get them to look at this issue the right way.

 

[AndriaD]

Reports (articles) in general?
Yes.

In the mainstream media?
Not so much.

The mainstream media is the facilitator of all the lies.
And I wish I knew how to get them to look at this issue the right way.

Where's Geraldo when you need him!!!

Andria

 

[Hitmetwice]

Where's Geraldo when you need him!!!

Andria

LOL Or Oprah, good god what would happen with her on our side?

 

[AndriaD]

LOL Or Oprah, good god what would happen with her on our side?

Hell, she could just buy the FDA.

Andria

 

[Rickajho]

The only derail I did not like in the article was lumping nicotine in the same class as other "psychoactive substances" - which I can't even mention here to compare and contrast.