So Blaine had up on the facebook group, Canadains against the ban of ecigarettes, a link to sign a petition. So I put the petition on my facebook page, and asked for supporters to sign it. I got this friend of mine posting things about it, and asked our wonderful Rachel Coffe for advice. I can't believe you guys that people still think like this! So I am copying and pasting the convo here. I want you all to read and learn from this becuase we have a huge fight ahead of us with HC. I learned a heck of alot last night when Rachel helped me along the way on what to say regarding this whole issue with ecigs in Canada. Here it is! Comments welcome
Friend asks, "did you read some of the FDA stuff? Ecigarettes marketed as nicotine-free usually do have nicotine in them, and products similar to anti-freeze and it isn't actually known if ecigarettes are safer than smoking. I think the idea is a good one but it seems like it still needs some work."
So after she posted this, I asked Rachel what to do. I needed to educate my facebookers. So Rachel came up with this. It is brilliant!
the FDA claimed that e-cig liquid contained carcinogens - specifically, tobacco-specific nitrosamines. Well here's what they didn't tell you: a day's worth of e-juice contains about 8 nanograms of those carcinogens (TSNA's). A pack of... Marlboros contains about 126,000 nanograms of the same. (And Marlboros also contain tons of other toxic crap - crap that is not found in e-juice whatsoever.)also 8 nanograms is the exact same amount you'd find in an FDA-approved nicotine patchIt would take over 43 years of vaping, every day...to reach the same level of TSNA's that you find in just one pack of cigs.
Exactly one prefilled cartridge, of a kind that isn't even sold anymore...had a trace amount (that's an amount so small that it can't even be accurately measured) of nicotine in it. Did you also know that there is actually more nicotine in ...a tomato, than was found in that one cartridge? Nicotine occurs naturally in a number of plants, including tomatoes.I assure you, liquids that are nicotine-free are invariably nicotine-free. Quality control is already much better since 2009, and will continue to get better. Now that the U.S. (& soon, Canada) will be engaging in regulatory oversight, to make sure that bottles, cartridges etc contain exactly what they say they contain...professional, quality manufacturers will be fine. People making crap will be told 'no.'
Regarding Antifreeze, PG (propylene glycol) is the main ingredient in e-juice for e-cigs. What you may not know is that it is found almost everywhere. You've probably eaten some today; it's used in countless foods, drinks, cakes, you name i...t..PG is also the main ingredient in theatrical fog; it's used as the carrier for the medicine in asthma inhalers; it's even used in some hospitals as an air disinfectant (PG kills a lot of germs on contact). Suffice to say, it's everywhere you go. It is not toxic or harmful at all. Nowadays, PG is also used in antifreeze. This is in order to make the antifreeze that much less toxic, in case some idiot tries to drink it. PG is used safely in your margarine, cakes, and a bazillion other foods & drinks. The PG in e-cig liquid is food-grade, non-toxic, and perfectly safe. PG isn't toxic. But the stuff they used in antifreeze before they started using PG...was very toxic. Someone clued in & said hey, let's stop using poison & use harmless PG instead. Not only is it non-toxic, but it actually works better. It is not "antifreeze". Now you might say "wait a minute, what about DEG?" Well...in 2009, in exactly one prefilled cartridge, from a company that no longer even exists...the FDA found 1% DEG (diethylene glycol) in the liquid. In literally tens of thousands of tests since 2009...no one, in the entire world, including the FDA...has ever found ANY amount of DEG in any other cartridge, bottle of e-juice, etc etc etc. Ever. No, DEG. This was literally a one-time thing that pointed out one thing only: that exactly one crappy little company, which made a shoddy product & went out of business...had lax quality controls..DEG)...in order to actually be poisoned. Yeah...the FDA didn't point that out, did they? The only cartridge in the history of time that they ever found it in wasn't remotely toxic, haha. Also, vapers don't drink the liquid; they vapourize it.
This is all completely moot, because nowhere in the world are you ever going to find DEG in any of the liquids for e-cigs. It was a one-time fluke at the time from some bargain-basement company...has never happened since, not anywhere...and...[/B] it could not happen. That's what regulation brings to the table. It ensures that companies who market & sell things to consumers will be subject to ongoing, routine testing to make sure that their products contain exactly what they claim to contain - no more, no less. As to "safer than smoking" claims...actually, several studies have now been done that now scientifically, clinically prove that vaping e-juice via e-cigs is many thousands of times safer than smoking. Eliquid is not antifreeze. No-nic liquids do not contain nic (that was a one-time finding from a crap company, and they found less nic than you'd naturally find in a tomato) ... and it is now clinically proven that vaping is many thousands of times safer than smoking, i.e. no more harmful than drinking caffeinated coffee. When the FDA said there were carcinogens in e-juice...a day's worth of e-juice contained 8 nanograms (same as the FDA-approved nic patch does)
a pack of marlboros contains 126,000 nanograms plus all kinds of other crap that isn't found in ejuice
It would take over 43 years of vaping every day, to take in the same level of tobacco-specific nitrosamines as in just one pack of cigs. The FDA had their ... handed to them in court. They totally lost. They were obliterated and last month ...admitted final defeat. If they had been right about any of their bull...., that wouldn't have happened. It didn't, because they were wrong. HC, you're next! We Canadian Vapers are coming after you
Friend says, "I guess we read different stuff. The stuff I read claimed that all but one cartridge tested contained nicotine. And the antifreeze stuff was diethylene glycol (toxic to humans), not polypropylene glycol."
diethylene glycol was found in exactly one cartridge, in the history of the world. the DEG was 1% of the liquid. a 150 pound adult would need to drink 6804 cartridges worth of liquid in a day at that level, to be poisoned. Diethylene glycol... has never ever been found in any other e-cig liquid or cartridges, in any amount. "you may as well say that if a deadly spider was found in one box of cereal, one time...that it means that every box of cereal has deadly spiders in it" The DEG was found exactly one time, in a non-toxic amount...and has never ever been found anywhere in any amount since, in e-cig liquid. Case closed. Now that the FDA (& soon, HC) will also be adding their own quality control...DEG will certainly never be found in eliquid for vaping consumers.
The bottom line I am trying to say here, FDA's 2009 results have long been debunked, many times over. Canada needs to follow suite. So would all my friends who support ME, and who support a healthy lifestyle, one that includes a smoke free life, whom I couldh ave not done without the use of ecigs, please sign the petition?
Friend says, "well, you're more familiar with it than me Krista. I hope it is a good way to quit smoking and that the FDA stuff is inaccurate."
Like I can not win here can I. All the information RachelCoffe gave me and accurate info no less, I still get the I hope the FDA stuff is inaccurate. SHEESH!!!!!
Friend asks, "did you read some of the FDA stuff? Ecigarettes marketed as nicotine-free usually do have nicotine in them, and products similar to anti-freeze and it isn't actually known if ecigarettes are safer than smoking. I think the idea is a good one but it seems like it still needs some work."
So after she posted this, I asked Rachel what to do. I needed to educate my facebookers. So Rachel came up with this. It is brilliant!
the FDA claimed that e-cig liquid contained carcinogens - specifically, tobacco-specific nitrosamines. Well here's what they didn't tell you: a day's worth of e-juice contains about 8 nanograms of those carcinogens (TSNA's). A pack of... Marlboros contains about 126,000 nanograms of the same. (And Marlboros also contain tons of other toxic crap - crap that is not found in e-juice whatsoever.)also 8 nanograms is the exact same amount you'd find in an FDA-approved nicotine patchIt would take over 43 years of vaping, every day...to reach the same level of TSNA's that you find in just one pack of cigs.
Exactly one prefilled cartridge, of a kind that isn't even sold anymore...had a trace amount (that's an amount so small that it can't even be accurately measured) of nicotine in it. Did you also know that there is actually more nicotine in ...a tomato, than was found in that one cartridge? Nicotine occurs naturally in a number of plants, including tomatoes.I assure you, liquids that are nicotine-free are invariably nicotine-free. Quality control is already much better since 2009, and will continue to get better. Now that the U.S. (& soon, Canada) will be engaging in regulatory oversight, to make sure that bottles, cartridges etc contain exactly what they say they contain...professional, quality manufacturers will be fine. People making crap will be told 'no.'
Regarding Antifreeze, PG (propylene glycol) is the main ingredient in e-juice for e-cigs. What you may not know is that it is found almost everywhere. You've probably eaten some today; it's used in countless foods, drinks, cakes, you name i...t..PG is also the main ingredient in theatrical fog; it's used as the carrier for the medicine in asthma inhalers; it's even used in some hospitals as an air disinfectant (PG kills a lot of germs on contact). Suffice to say, it's everywhere you go. It is not toxic or harmful at all. Nowadays, PG is also used in antifreeze. This is in order to make the antifreeze that much less toxic, in case some idiot tries to drink it. PG is used safely in your margarine, cakes, and a bazillion other foods & drinks. The PG in e-cig liquid is food-grade, non-toxic, and perfectly safe. PG isn't toxic. But the stuff they used in antifreeze before they started using PG...was very toxic. Someone clued in & said hey, let's stop using poison & use harmless PG instead. Not only is it non-toxic, but it actually works better. It is not "antifreeze". Now you might say "wait a minute, what about DEG?" Well...in 2009, in exactly one prefilled cartridge, from a company that no longer even exists...the FDA found 1% DEG (diethylene glycol) in the liquid. In literally tens of thousands of tests since 2009...no one, in the entire world, including the FDA...has ever found ANY amount of DEG in any other cartridge, bottle of e-juice, etc etc etc. Ever. No, DEG. This was literally a one-time thing that pointed out one thing only: that exactly one crappy little company, which made a shoddy product & went out of business...had lax quality controls..DEG)...in order to actually be poisoned. Yeah...the FDA didn't point that out, did they? The only cartridge in the history of time that they ever found it in wasn't remotely toxic, haha. Also, vapers don't drink the liquid; they vapourize it.
This is all completely moot, because nowhere in the world are you ever going to find DEG in any of the liquids for e-cigs. It was a one-time fluke at the time from some bargain-basement company...has never happened since, not anywhere...and...[/B] it could not happen. That's what regulation brings to the table. It ensures that companies who market & sell things to consumers will be subject to ongoing, routine testing to make sure that their products contain exactly what they claim to contain - no more, no less. As to "safer than smoking" claims...actually, several studies have now been done that now scientifically, clinically prove that vaping e-juice via e-cigs is many thousands of times safer than smoking. Eliquid is not antifreeze. No-nic liquids do not contain nic (that was a one-time finding from a crap company, and they found less nic than you'd naturally find in a tomato) ... and it is now clinically proven that vaping is many thousands of times safer than smoking, i.e. no more harmful than drinking caffeinated coffee. When the FDA said there were carcinogens in e-juice...a day's worth of e-juice contained 8 nanograms (same as the FDA-approved nic patch does)
a pack of marlboros contains 126,000 nanograms plus all kinds of other crap that isn't found in ejuice
It would take over 43 years of vaping every day, to take in the same level of tobacco-specific nitrosamines as in just one pack of cigs. The FDA had their ... handed to them in court. They totally lost. They were obliterated and last month ...admitted final defeat. If they had been right about any of their bull...., that wouldn't have happened. It didn't, because they were wrong. HC, you're next! We Canadian Vapers are coming after you
Friend says, "I guess we read different stuff. The stuff I read claimed that all but one cartridge tested contained nicotine. And the antifreeze stuff was diethylene glycol (toxic to humans), not polypropylene glycol."
diethylene glycol was found in exactly one cartridge, in the history of the world. the DEG was 1% of the liquid. a 150 pound adult would need to drink 6804 cartridges worth of liquid in a day at that level, to be poisoned. Diethylene glycol... has never ever been found in any other e-cig liquid or cartridges, in any amount. "you may as well say that if a deadly spider was found in one box of cereal, one time...that it means that every box of cereal has deadly spiders in it" The DEG was found exactly one time, in a non-toxic amount...and has never ever been found anywhere in any amount since, in e-cig liquid. Case closed. Now that the FDA (& soon, HC) will also be adding their own quality control...DEG will certainly never be found in eliquid for vaping consumers.
The bottom line I am trying to say here, FDA's 2009 results have long been debunked, many times over. Canada needs to follow suite. So would all my friends who support ME, and who support a healthy lifestyle, one that includes a smoke free life, whom I couldh ave not done without the use of ecigs, please sign the petition?
Friend says, "well, you're more familiar with it than me Krista. I hope it is a good way to quit smoking and that the FDA stuff is inaccurate."
Like I can not win here can I. All the information RachelCoffe gave me and accurate info no less, I still get the I hope the FDA stuff is inaccurate. SHEESH!!!!!
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