Some coil wicks really do burn ?

[kinabaloo]

From another thread (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...out-under-atomizer-bridge-2.html#post294944):

I was getting plasticky burnt smell on one of mine and up on investigation it was coming from the coil under the bridge which was burning off the lanyard materials. Primary Heating coil is wrap around the lanyard which pick up the juice and get transfer onto.

I tried to do everything to get rid of the smell and no sucess.

I'm very curious guy so I decided to take it all apart and see how its tick. Look like, metal wick from the Bridge pull the liquid up and lanyard meterials take over and coil heat the liquid and pass throught the Atomizer meterials. that that's how the fine Atomized Vapor is created. I think.

Mine was smelling because the metal Mash Materials were not picking up enough juice to heat and it was burning up the lanyard materials that heater coil wrap around in instead.

I took the materials out and burn it with my lighter and smell is confirmed.

Very interesting.

You are quite sure that the wick material from inside the coil can be burned and produces a bad smell?

What is the atomizer - model and make?

Seems maybe some atomizers do have this problem after all (but not all).

This is very important to follow up on. That material should be burn-proof!

 

[kLAcK]

This is very important to follow up on. That material should be burn-proof!

(Talking about the Joye510)

I agree, this is really easy to do if you just let your atty get too dry. Smoking lanyard is not comforting. 8-o

 

[kinabaloo]

(Talking about the Joye510)

I agree, this is really easy to do if you just let your atty get too dry. Smoking lanyard is not comforting. 8-o

Kevlar (a kind of acrylic) could burn in the atty or by a cig lighter. Maybe this is used in some attys?

Fibreglass would not burn and that seems to be used in most atomisers.

 

[Kate]

This thread might be of interest:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...anufacturers-suppliers-whats-my-atomizer.html

 

[kinabaloo]

This thread might be of interest:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...anufacturers-suppliers-whats-my-atomizer.html

Thanks Kate for the cross-referencing.

There's good reason to believe that most attys use a burnproof wick material but it's just possible that it's not all.

Waiting on confirmation of the burnable wick.

 

[kinabaloo]

Update: just checked out one of my 901 clones: after a vinegar clean. End on it's clear some soot between the threads (looks black) but from side is white and feels very good, as new. No problem with this wick. Before the clean I was worried as the wick seemed black and just fell apart when touched; but turned out that was deposit; the wick is fine.

Hope we can get some 501 owners to report their dismantled findings on the wick inside the heater coil. (Lots of reports f bad smells/tastes in the 501 forum. Perhaps it's just because tey run hotter and it's the juice or deposits burning.)

 

[cantstop]

I bought a janty dura-c and had a bad burnt taste coming from the logo'd atomizer. I saw it getting red hot and some fibers sticking out. I pulled them out and they look like some kind of fiberglass fibers. Found out that these are the wick which is inside the heating coils. It acts to hold juice while the heating coils vaporize the juice.
Attached is a really good diagram of the atomizer with the wick inside the coil.

 

[psychostimpy]

I purchased a Blu Starter Kit (don't have the part#) and around the time I started using the second cartridge I started to notice the burning smell. I read on here about blowing on the cherry end of the cig to clean the atomizer but it seems a lot of smoke comes off the atomizer and I get that burnt smell when doing that. I can't tell if there are fibers inside but there is definitely a burnt smell. I was trying a vanilla cartridge.

 

[Synthnadz]

All of the BE112 atomizers (for an 801 fitting) that I have received from BesteCig in the past 2 weeks have this wicking material sticking out from the wire mesh, and all of them have been very sensitive and seemingly love to burn.

I'm really hoping that someone will work to create a better design and quickly. I now have 25 of these BE112's, and I'm forced to vape way too cautiously as a result. How frustrating...

 

[nubee]

Sounds like a new change in design/manufacturing or totally new hack manufacturer. I just ban stocked 15 801 attys from TW and ALL of them have only the classic metal mesh bridge with the ceramic cup holding the heating element.

I'd have to agree with all above that I would not want to see any kind or sort of other, cart filler like wicking material anywhere in the atty at all.

 

[Synthnadz]

Nubee...

Are the TW 801 atomizers high bridge or low bridge? I want to know, as I may be ordering a stockpile from there myself if they're low bridge.

Thanks!

 

[Applejackson]

Sounds like a new change in design/manufacturing or totally new hack manufacturer. I just ban stocked 15 801 attys from TW and ALL of them have only the classic metal mesh bridge with the ceramic cup holding the heating element.

I'd have to agree with all above that I would not want to see any kind or sort of other, cart filler like wicking material anywhere in the atty at all.

It's already there, even in your attys with the metal wick. Just hard to see. The material they're talking about is under the metal bridge and inside the coil.

 

[nubee]

Nubee...

Are the TW 801 atomizers high bridge or low bridge? I want to know, as I may be ordering a stockpile from there myself if they're low bridge.

Thanks!

All low bridge - I don't like high bridge either - and they are on sale 20% off.

Box of 5 is $23.99+shipping. Worked out to like $6 a piece

 

[nubee]

It's already there, even in your attys with the metal wick. Just hard to see. The material they're talking about is under the metal bridge and inside the coil.

I don't doubt you as I've yet to tear apart any of my attys but it has to be micro small. On some of my attys I can see the start of the coil and it's pretty much bare wire.

I got the impression people were saying these wicking threads were on the metal mesh itself or instead of the metal mesh - my mistake.

 

[kinabaloo]

Since back in May no real evidence of combusting coil materials has been found, afaik.

The coil wick looks to be getting burned but it is just the deposit coating it that makes it look black. So the burning taste/smell is either the deposit burning when the atty gets dry or fibres from the cart material (not convinced that this often happens, but it is possible - a woven cart filler such as tea bags, hemp or pyramid would greatly avoid this possibility).

 

[Synthnadz]

Kinabloo....

I should send you one of these brand new BE112's to check out. Both of them were totally fine until I tried an alleged 'preventative' dry burn as per a forum member's maintenance suggestion. After I let each of the attys burn dry for 5-7 seconds, the burning taste and smell wan unbearable and not removable.

I never used a cart with either, and they were less than 1 day old each. Both of them worked great until the dry burn. Upon inspection, both had a piece of the fiber glass wick material sticking out from under the mesh about 5-10 millimeters in length. This wick was black and charred in places, and there was absolutely no liquid in either atty while performing the operation!

 

[Synthnadz]

Thanks nubee - Now if only TW's 801 attys didn't have those silly little logos on them...

I may have to just bite the bullet and try a batch anyway. BTW - I just finally inspected the 5 801 attys that I received last week from Rocky Mountain Vapor, and they are all high bridge but do not seem to have the wick sticking out of them at all. I just fired one up, and it actually performs quite well. Of course, I'm dripping, so the high bridge's shortcomings aren't surfacing. Now let's see if this thing starts tasting like a charred, rotten piece of fish once the liquid gets low. ;-)

 

[stevo_tdo]

I don't know about you but I would never dry burn an atty. The liquid helps cool it and so does the airflow. Would you drain the oil out of your car and do a dry start to try to burn out the carbon deposits?

 

[Hotot]

I won't ever be dry burning an atty again Here is the lanyard from one that I was still using until I broke it last night trying to pull a battery connector. I didn't clean it so maybe the burned part would wash out, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the lanyard that burned, the pic makes it obvious that it was what burned not carbon build up. Again this is the fiber from inside the steel mesh of the atty. Official JOYE 510 old style.

EDIT: Actually upon further testing the lanyard does not burn, or melt for that matter, it will glow as bright orange as an ember under 10 seconds of a cigarette lighter. It had a slight smell that I wouldn't say for sure came from the fabric itself. And it was cool to the touch moments after it was glowing orange. (yeah, i had to touch ;P)

 

[jdg]

EDIT: Actually upon further testing the lanyard does not burn, or melt for that matter, it will glow as bright orange as an ember under 10 seconds of a cigarette lighter. It had a slight smell that I wouldn't say for sure came from the fabric itself. And it was cool to the touch moments after it was glowing orange. (yeah, i had to touch ;P)

I wanted this to be the problem so bad! I have had two atomizers taste burnt since I got my 510 in mid-December. I have now ruined two of them trying to get the taste to go away. When I took them apart, I had the (seemingly problematic) burnt-looking wicking material. It

will glow as bright orange as an ember under 10 seconds of a cigarette lighter

but doesn't burn and wipes clean again until white or very close to white. I noticed no smell at all, and certainly not the smell that I describe below.
The threads were difficult to remove on their own, so I ended up removing the wire bridge on both of them, and I could see that the threads appeared to be touching the coil at one side. I could not remove the wicking in the corner on one of them with the tools that I have. I dry burned both atties at this point in the deconstruction, and both coils glowed red and produced what appeared to be smoke rather than vapor. It smelled bad, somewhat sour, and vaguely resembled my experience of a newly lit cigarette--sharper, more concentrated. I have little experience with burning metal, but maybe? It was pretty dry.
Since I only have factory automatic batteries, I blew into the cart end of the atomizer to do the burn at first, and produced many short dry burns. Then I put the LED end into my mouth and slowly exhaled to make a consistent, several second dry burn. Same terrible smell. On one, I dry burned for a ridiculous amount of time--longer than should ever be done to any atomizer--maybe 45 seconds or so. On this one, I dripped 4 drops onto the bare coil, repeated the burn, and received more or less the same chemical smell with some smell of the juice. The coil did not glow red on the first couple of short burns from blowing into the cart end, but would eventually glow.
Both atties have been run with different fillers than polyfill (coffee filter on one, blue foam on both). One of them I flooded pretty badly once, and the other one gurgled a couple of times at most. It's less than a week old.
If it isn't the wicking, which looks burnt but pretty much cannot be, what can this horrible taste be? Seriously, if anything about PVs are dangerous, it's whatever is making that terrible ......