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I find it interesting that this is allowed by law. Lying about specs, any other products like cars would have at least some consequences.
 

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I find it interesting that this is allowed by law. Lying about specs, any other products like cars would have at least some consequences.
Most of the attachment is not showing up on my tablet. Maybe just my tablet, but others may have the same problem.
 

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Most of the attachment is not showing up on my tablet. Maybe just my tablet, but others may have the same problem.

I dont know what i can do about it. I just added it as an image to the post.

Anyway it said it was a ultrafire battery with 10800mah capacity. This was (by now deleted by the admin) being offered in a dutch selling group for vape gear.
 

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I find it interesting that this is allowed by law. Lying about specs, any other products like cars would have at least some consequences.


Whos law?
Dutch law?
Probably is illegal, technically.
Lots of retailers lie about products.
Most ads lie.
Its not right, but it's on the buyer to do their research.
 
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Whos law?
Dutch law?
Probably is illegal, technically.
Lots of retailers lie about products.
Most ads lie.
Its not right, but it's on the buyer to do their research.

Good question, perhaps i should rephrase myself. It should be illegal. I think it's in dutch law illegal to lie for example in commercials. They have some playing area where they can "brag" about the product. But claiming something it is not or simply cannot do, is what i think against the law.

I'm no expert, but compared to America the laws for ads are a bit stricter here.
 

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Good question, perhaps i should rephrase myself. It should be illegal. I think it's in dutch law illegal to lie for example in commercials. They have some playing area where they can "brag" about the product. But claiming something it is not or simply cannot do, is what i think against the law.

I'm no expert, but compared to America the laws for ads are a bit stricter here.

Its called fraud in America.

However its not like the police will raid a store for misrepresenting the Mah on a rechargeable battery.

The burden of proof is on the accuser so you would have to spend money building a case to prove your claim beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt.

That alone would cost more than the battery.

Its not worth the trouble.

Besides, you should only buy cells from reputable vendors.
 
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Its called fraud in America.

However its not like the police will raid a store for misrepresenting the Mah on a rechargeable battery.

The burden of proof is on the accuser so you would have to spend money building a case to prove your claim beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt.

That alone would cost more than the battery.

Its not worth the trouble.

Besides, you should only buy cells from reputable vendors.


I completely agree with @Layzee Vaper It is not right, and to be honest should the responsibility lie on the consumer? We are not the experts, the company itself is the expert of the product and as a consumer i think it's a fair demand to ask that they are knowing what they are doing. For example a 18650 battery claiming an output of 60 amps and a consumer having trust in the product that it claims what it can do and uses it that way. Next thing you know, he needs plastic surgery for his mouth. Who's fault is it really?

Or a car with a speedometer, you think you drive 40km/h but in fact you drive 70km/h? Silly example.. But i'm trying to say, should the responsibility lie with the user if he uses the product "correctly"? I think not.

But... unfortunately that's not the world we live in, so we do need to inform ourselves, especially with all the organisations (like the FDA, governments etc) who are simply lying to the public, can't trust them these days...

But i can't help but thinking about a old vaping granny... she is not so handy with the computer and doesn't do research and i can't blame her. But i can blame the companies/organisations/governments who are lying in our faces of all places.
 
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That is probably the worst rewrap job I've ever seen.
It is not actually a rewrap, what you are seeing is two batteries wrapped in plastic, together. In other words, a set of two wrapped together. I had to really look at the picture again because I thought the same thing.
 

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Falsified mAh is not so bad in the context of lying wrappers, it just won't last that long, the end. It is false advertising and should be prosecutable.
Falsified amp limits are far more sinister and cynical. The reason (as I understand it) they can get away with what appears to be blatant false advertising, is 'pulse' amp values. This technical grey area grants license to put what ever they feel like on the wrapper, as it is undefined by the industry.
Eg. pulsed at 60 amps for one microsecond may be their chosen definition, this is unregulated and can be a work of total fiction.
Of course what consumers assume is, that the amp value shown is what we refer to as CDR. One that is safe to use for any duration, without causing damage to the battery or your dental work.

Imagine a parallel with the car industry. Ten cars on the market, three of them potentially lethal at speed and no way to know without consulting amateur testing published by some guy (no disrespect intended Mooch) on a relatively unknown internet forum. It makes me gnash my teeth and my blood boil.
 
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It is not actually a rewrap, what you are seeing is two batteries wrapped in plastic, together. In other words, a set of two wrapped together. I had to really look at the picture again because I thought the same thing.

Good eyes Robin because I thought is was bad wraps also!
 
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