some thoughts again

[Lisaf01]

I don't know whether anyone wanted my opinion but I thought I'd share it anyway.

I think yes, the GG does deserve its own site. However, I wonder if the forum part is slightly redundant. I would say that the forum here is more useful from a business point of view and attracting more customers. Yes, I know there have been loads of issues with people coming here who are not "friends" but that's business, no avoiding it.

I think the other forum, although people are very welcoming, it is kind of clique-like and actually could put people off - just my opinion.....

So that's my view, yes to GG own site, but I see the forum here as more useful to the wider community.

 

[imeothanasis]

As we talk, new thoughts come to my mind. Lets see Trog. He runs his own site succesfully. He comes here, say his opinion and leaves again.

As for what lisa said about clique-like, I must say that all forums that a man owns they are like this little or more.

As for the new customers, yes maybe its more convinient for them this forum but if a link drives them to GG site it will be the same exactly for them to collect their info.

I said to my previous post the reasons that the ecf is the best place for now for GG but habbits can change. I cant see a reason for lost customers. If anyone that really wants to take info for GG or wants to have a good time with us will come.

 

[Lisaf01]

As we talk, new thoughts come to my mind. Lets see Trog. He runs his own site succesfully. He comes here, say his opinion and leaves again.

Good point although personally I prefer a wider community at the moment I think, because the industry is in its infancy and also because I am still a fairly new vaper - I am always open to changing my mind though.....

As for what lisa said about clique-like, I must say that all forums that a man owns they are like this little or more.

This is true and the hope is that it will become less clique-like as it grows, yes.

As for the new customers, yes maybe its more convinient for them this forum but if a link drives them to GG site it will be the same exactly for them to collect their info.

Also true. However, there will be some people who just don't have time to check multiple forums and prefer to stay in the more general one.

I said to my previous post the reasons that the ecf is the best place for now for GG but habbits can change. I cant see a reason for lost customers. If anyone that really wants to take info for GG or wants to have a good time with us will come.

Again, all true. Everything must change in order to grow, so perhaps the time has come for habits to change.

At the end of the day, it's your business, all decisions are yours, you must do whatever you feel is the right thing.

 

[CatVTTV]

Imeo, Lisa, I appreciate your input. In fact I appreciate every ones input on this. Although I must stress, I only brought it up as I was asked why I didnt post as often as I once did on the sub forum. And I answered the question.

Of course the gg forum is clique like, how could be anything else, with only half a dozen or so regular visitors.

We are all still new to vaping Lisa, thats a fact, and large communities are great, ECF itself has the largest community of all, but they dont all post in the GG sub forum, they post in General Discussion, UK Vapers, and so on..

Suppliers forums tend to be for customers to ask questions to suppliers and fellow customers.

Check out the sub forums, and find me one that is the same as the GG sub forum. Maybe thats good.. I dont know, but in my mind, it would only be good if it was within my own website, as you are bound by someone elses rules, in this case SJ.

Yes Trog has his own forum, but he still has the facility of using Jason's Totally Wicked and TECC sub forums. While Jason's TW supporters are based on his Totally Wicked forums on his own website.

So the sub forums have a purpose, and that purpose is to draw in potential customers.

I have often described ECF as a Spiders Web, the Suppliers being the Spiders, visitors being the Fly's caught within the Web in order to feed the Spiders.

This is why it is so good at its job.

But ECF has another role too, and thats the role of spreading the word of ecigs. And every one of us who have through ecigs given up smoking owe it to ECF to help new visitors do the same thing. So as well as chatting here, we also go out and help new people when we can.

So what I am saying is there is room for both. GG.com forums and chat room can support more in depth conversations than the sub forum can.

But in order to stop complaints from new customers, who either couldnt find the info they wanted, or couldnt be bothered to plough through the pages and pages of hijacked threads, looking for the answer to a question they had left.

And because the sub forum and each of us who supported it, became widely known throughout the ecig forums as Imeo's Harem, and thats my version of the not so nice names they came up with for us.. that the GG.com forums were born.

What Imeo chooses to do is up to him, and I will go along with any decision he wants to make, its not a problem to me at all. I agree with Imeo that there is room for both, but guidelines need to be better observed within the GG sub forum, in my opinion anyway.

I dont want to say more, as this will be taken and distorted into all kinds of gossip abouts wars within the GG camp, and I dont want to see any more GG gossip appearing over the web. Its calm at the moment, I would love to see it stay that way.

 

[Crash]

wow these last 2 posts are so much to read, my brain hurts now

 

[CatVTTV]

Take your time Crash, there wont be any more from me....

 

[Crash]

Take your time Crash, there wont be any more from me....

Lol how bout a quick post summing it all up for lazy people like me

 

[CatVTTV]

OK.. just for Crash.... room for both forums .. the end

 

[Crash]

OK.. just for Crash.... room for both forums .. the end

Oh okay i agree with that then

 

[Rainy]

It occurred to me that there might be newer people that might think I don’t appreciate them, but that isn’t true at all.

Actually, the expected situation would have been that all the folks that had been here would be in place and the new people would come, integrate and it would be one big happy family.

But, just before making my last post, I had this strange and lonely feeling wash over me and I became painfully aware that ‘some’ of the foundation people were gone and it appeared they weren’t coming back in the way that they had originally. That is when I posted and in my haste, I failed to take the new people into consideration. I apologize for that.

Christena, your latest posts have been educational, giving me a better understanding of how the two sites have come to be. Regarding hijacking of threads, there were people that stated they were frustrated with the socializing mixed in with the information threads. With my limited experience I didn’t realize how it was suppose to be, but I guess that they did. Thank you so much for that big hug, it was good to receive.

I'll follow whatever proceedure that Imeo puts into place, as for now I'll continue as I have been.

 

[Lisaf01]

I dont want to say more, as this will be taken and distorted into all kinds of gossip abouts wars within the GG camp, and I dont want to see any more GG gossip appearing over the web. Its calm at the moment, I would love to see it stay that way.

I thought we were just having a nice friendly discussion. If people want to distort it into a war then that's their problem.....

 

[Di]

I thought we were just having a nice friendly discussion. If people want to distort it into a war then that's their problem.....

Hi Lisa

how the hell R U today ?????

 

[imeothanasis]

I cant reject ecf. Ecf is my home, I started here and SJ behave like a jendelman to me. I dont have a problem with anyone here. Small problems will occure every day but they solved as you saw. Maybe in the hard way sometimes but its often everywhere in real life too.

Here is the "all info" place. I dont want to leave but I also want to see GG site grows up. If we still post5 only here then no reason for people to go there. As Lisa said and we agree to that this is the place for new customers, and the GG site is then place for new friends.

I dont want to make big changes now, the future will guide us.

 

[tribalmasters]

I only want to visit one forum tho, its too time consuming having 2 or 6 forums to talk in about similar things!!

 

[Crash]

I cant reject ecf. Ecf is my home, I started here and SJ behave like a jendelman to me. I dont have a problem with anyone here. Small problems will occure every day but they solved as you saw. Maybe in the hard way sometimes but its often everywhere in real life too.

Here is the "all info" place. I dont want to leave but I also want to see GG site grows up. If we still post5 only here then no reason for people to go there. As Lisa said and we agree to that this is the place for new customers, and the GG site is then place for new friends.

I dont want to make big changes now, the future will guide us.

May the force be with you

 

[CatVTTV]

You are right Tribal, hence we turned the GG.com into a social minded forum, where there is a section for GG info and questions, but also a very large section for Social Topics.

I made a promise to the people there, that as long as one person uses that forum, I will maintain it. I keep my promises.

Imeo, I agree you need to keep ECF sub for your business, its absolutely vital. But I also feel that an interactive website, as is the one Gadget supplied you with, is not what you really need.

You need a website that is static and guides people to this forum and to Ikenvape, and provides communication direct to you.

I know you appreciate all that Gadget and I did, and Gadget knows it too, and at no point did you ever want to upset either of us, and you have not. But I do think its time for everyone to be totally honest and speak out.

You need a NEW website created, one that is exactly right for your needs, without forums, chat etc. Gadget cannot do that for you, he is inundated with work, so much so he cannot evern visit the sites any longer.

Lisa, did you not say you were involved in website work?

Ikenvape is almost ready to go live, that site will be, and has to be, the main site, so, lets just dismantle GG.com and start again...... with a simple new site.

Thats my honest opinion. This was no one gets annoyed or upset, and GG gets what it really needs.

Opinions welcome...

 

[imeothanasis]

Christena, GG is not Iken and Iken is not GG. Iken will sell other products too, so GG needs its own site absolutely. I dont think its a good idea to dismantle GG.com.

As you saw the reasons that keep people here are obvious and Tribal said one of them (the most common and the most serious). I also said it too.

So the conclution is not to dismantle GG com, not to move to Iken's forum too. Maybe the best move for now is to stay here. As I said, future will guide us.

 

[Rainy]

I made a promise to the people there, that as long as one person uses that forum, I will maintain it. I keep my promises.

My opinion is that I'm not knowledgeable enough to have an opinion. You are completely released from your promise. You know much more than I, so do what is best.

 

[Lisaf01]

You need a NEW website created, one that is exactly right for your needs, without forums, chat etc. Gadget cannot do that for you, he is inundated with work, so much so he cannot evern visit the sites any longer.

Lisa, did you not say you were involved in website work?

Ikenvape is almost ready to go live, that site will be, and has to be, the main site, so, lets just dismantle GG.com and start again...... with a simple new site.

Thats my honest opinion. This was no one gets annoyed or upset, and GG gets what it really needs.

Opinions welcome...

Why dismantle the site? Weren't we all just talking about the forum part? Iken's site isn't the main site, he's a reseller. Yours is the main site and as I understand from Imeo's posts, he's going to make more of an effort to support it. You're already doing what the GG needs (In my opinion).

 

[CatVTTV]

The site was initially designed for e-commerce direct from Imeo. Then we changed it to add Tim's details, and once Iken starts up, hopefully Gadget will have time to change it to Ikens details.

But without Gadgets help, I can do nothing...

Plus the News Section is set for updating regularly, well thats ok, thats easy to do.

The forums work perfectly well as they are, I personally dont have a problem with them at all, and I dont feel they need Imeo constantly answering posts. But it would benefit from GG social evenings... all of which I did have planned, but as Imeo was ill, and then went off on holiday, these plans didnt come to fruition.

I started with the idea of an Ask Imeo night... where people would PM questions to me prior to the event, the questions then put into a format easy for Imeo to read through, sent to him prior to the event, so he had time to prepare responses in English, then on the night... invite everyone along to Chat, Imeo then gives the answers, and discussion can take place..

ECF & Vapers are full of Highly Knowledgeable people, so once a month, invite someone with a particular expertise along and repeat the performance..

That was the plan...