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somedays rebuildables literally ruin my day. beyond annoyed...

Discussion in 'Rebuildable Atomizer Systems' started by Kevin King, Feb 28, 2013.

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  1. Kevin King

    Kevin King Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    PA
    just had a perfect setup on my orion, 5/4 wrap of 28g kanthal 500 mesh, about 2 weeks old, then all of a sudden horrible flavor that taste like straight up metal. no hotspots or anything so i have no clue why this happened. im not a noob either so this is just really pi**ing me the eff off!

    if im doing the peter k method, there should be ZERO gaps between the coil and wick correct??? like absolutely none? cuz that is the main reason i am thinking this is happening. even tho my coils are usually perfect because im so anal and OCD about having a good coil. if i taste the slightest metalic taste i will be annoyed and not vape it until its good. im thinking i should just go back to wrapping it the normal way with a more solid wick
     
  2. vapdivrr

    vapdivrr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 8, 2012
    sarasota,fl
    either that or ceramic, never ever any metalic taste in ceramic, it is just pure flavor.
     
  3. eddiezheadiez

    eddiezheadiez Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 17, 2013
    Boston
    A metallic taste IS a short. As I don't think there is any other way for that taste to be created. I'm pretty sure it's caused by the short actually melting the SS mesh or superheating it and releasing fumes. Just because it can't be seen doesn't mean it's not there. You should not vape it if you taste that metallic taste. Metal fumes are no good.
     
  4. TheToxic_jon

    TheToxic_jon Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2013
    SoCal
  5. Telescope Neil

    Telescope Neil Senior Member ECF Veteran

    probably dying already, so im sure rebuilding it would take care of that.
     
  6. SteveW

    SteveW Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 2, 2013
    Australia
    I have to echo this sentiment. I have gone from stainless to ceramic and even my best stainless wick does not hold a candle to the flavor I am getting from ceramic. I will NEVER go back. They are truly amazing.
     
  7. hippieben

    hippieben Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 17, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    You should learn how to wrap a coil without using the drill bit. All these "methods" are tricks for when you can't get it the "right" way (obviously there is no right way, this is just my opinion). Genesis atomizers all come down to getting a feel for the proper amount of tension when wrapping your coil. You should only need to gently poke the coil a few times to get it perfect. Wrapping the coil around a drill bit, pulling the drill bit out, inserting your wick, adjusting the thickness of your wick, repeat just adds far too many variables. Practice, practice, practice, and have a backup. Eventually you'll be able to get it perfect every time, the first time.

    Your wick is probably fine (unless the short has cut a hole in it). Whether you need to tweak your rolling method for it to wick well with the viscosity of your juice is another matter, but worry about getting a good coil before worrying about whether you need to tip or not. Also, don't just jump on porous ceramic and think it's the perfect answer; it's not the be all and end all. Sure, it won't short, but it's very fragile, takes a long time to get up to temperature, and stays hot much longer. This is the world of genesis atomizers, the promise of frustration and the possibility of an excellent vape.

    Check out Zen's videos on youtube, keeping a moderate amount of tension, spinning the mod, and simply guiding the wire onto the wick works best for me. Believe me, I've tried all the methods out there, and the only way to do it is to practice and get that magic touch.
     
  8. Randy C

    Randy C Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2012
    SW Florida
    Time to try a cotton wick- great taste; no more shorts :)
     
  9. vanillagurilla

    vanillagurilla Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2013
    Anaheim ca
    Try just spining your wick a little.
     
  10. jhiga

    jhiga Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2013
    Honolulu
    I know how you feel...I can't seem to get a good coil going right now, but the last 5 I wrapped were great.

    But hey, lesson learned. Don't keep going if I'm mad, and don't even TRY and build wicks and coils without my magical screwdriver...
     
  11. Kevin King

    Kevin King Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    PA
    my wicking is fine. it just always something wrong with my coil. I wrap them perfectly it seems. no gaps, even wraps, and the whole nine yards but then itll just start tasting like crap. does not make sense to me. even after I rebuild a whole new wick and coil I never get good taste right off the bat. extremely frustrating
     
  12. hippieben

    hippieben Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 17, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    My guess is that they're too tight, you may be too focused on getting them "prefect" that you're putting them on way too tight. Sometimes it's the worst looking coils that perform the best. Can you post some pictures of a coil you've got wrapped? Sometimes a coil wire develop hot spots over time, perhaps by being shifted around by use or expansion / contraction by heating and cooling.
     
  13. vapdivrr

    vapdivrr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 8, 2012
    sarasota,fl
    ceramic may not be the end all, but imo, it is a better vape. the flavor of ceramic is by far more superior then ss. imo i dont think this can be debated, to me flavor is the key, finding the best way to get the best flavor should be what you strive for. the only valid point to what you have stated is that it is more fragile. actually only the smaller 3/32 wicks are, the 1/8 ceramic wicks are pretty strong. you are not going to break the 1/8 wicks just by wrapping the coil, you would have to force one for it to snap. they are however hard to get, and they are pricey at the moment.
     
  14. Kevin King

    Kevin King Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    PA
    I am currently still trying to set up a new coil so I cant send pics right now. this is just ridiculous. all day I have not been able to taste anything but metal. but yesterday it was fine.
     
  15. Kevin King

    Kevin King Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    PA
    just set up a perfect coil using peter K method. 5/4 wrap 28g kanthal, unoxidized 500, 2 inch straw(ish) mesh wick. got all the hot spots out, was definitely not too tight and was not too loose, it was in there exactly as it should be... but still horrible taste. ran about 2ml of my only good juice thru it before I started vaping too, I really do not know what is wrong here.
     
  16. thecatanddog

    thecatanddog Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 12, 2012
    Earth
    maybe try nextel over SS?
     
  17. hippieben

    hippieben Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 17, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    It doesn't sound like you've changed how you're doing it at all. Clearly the peter K method isn't "perfect" for you. Unless you're just looking to vent about how frustrating genesis is (and it is), you may just want to try something else.
     
  18. hippieben

    hippieben Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 17, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    Full disclosure, I haven't had a chance to try ceramic yet.
     
  19. Kevin King

    Kevin King Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    PA
    yes sorry, I am venting because It helps me.. kinda. lol but anyways, the only reason im doing the peter k method is because its always worked before, and just for the past 2 days I can NOT get a good vape going and im just stumped. when I wrap the coil the regular way it always seems to dig into my wick too much and disfigure it.
     
  20. Kevin King

    Kevin King Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    PA
    should I hit my kanthal with a lighter before wrapping the coil? just trying to see if this consistent metal taste is coming from something small/dumb
     
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