I think you mean this thread. Might as well link it to this one. Since, I believe Sony is making them.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ny-vtc-batteries-will-continue-made-sony.html
Sony 18650 Battery (Who Makes them???) Not Sony.
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I think you mean this thread. Might as well link it to this one. Since, I believe Sony is making them.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ny-vtc-batteries-will-continue-made-sony.html
I recently was in the market for some new batteries as my CGR's were well over a year old and was venturing into the .4Ω range on a few builds. I was going to go with the VTC5's, but changed my mind when all the reports of problems with them. Did some research and finally bought the LG HE2's. I couldn't be happier of my purchase. The only thing I have found with them is they don't really last long at .4Ω's... I was getting on average about 4-5hrs out of them. I switched to .6Ω and battery life is in the 8-9hr range for me now, almost double what I was getting. This is good for me as the .4Ω was just a bit too warm a vape for me... I am quite happy with them for now...
Nice! Yeah, 0.39 is right around my sweet spot. Don't several builds that just happened to come out at 0.39 or so. I'm at 0.45 on my reo right now
I didn't see it mentioned in this thread, my apologies if this is a repeat.
The Sony that makes the VTCs is not the same Sony we know. Yes, Sony Energy Devices Corporations is part of the same group, but you would not find any information concerning these cells on the Sony consumer web sites. And I say "cells" because that is what they are: individual cells meant to be packed in group inside a bigger battery. If anyone wants more information on these, you'd have to contact them directly, but I don't think they will answer an individual: their customers are other companies (including the Sony we know), not private citizens. That is also why there is no easily accessible information on the net. I'm not even sure they would be happy to know their cells are being used in the way they are, liability wise...
The Sony that makes the VTCs is not the same Sony we know. Yes, Sony Energy Devices Corporations is part of the same group, but you would not find any information concerning these cells on the Sony consumer web sites. And I say "cells" because that is what they are: individual cells meant to be packed in group inside a bigger battery. If anyone wants more information on these, you'd have to contact them directly, but I don't think they will answer an individual: their customers are other companies (including the Sony we know), not private citizens. That is also why there is no easily accessible information on the net. I'm not even sure they would be happy to know their cells are being used in the way they are, liability wise...
what are you even thinking? why is it laughable that a company would fear lawsuits? i see your reasoning here, that you can't sue someone for misusing their product, i just don't agree with it. remember that lady that spilled mcdonalds coffee on her lap and sued mcdonalds? she won. that's why the coffees have warnings now. there's no warning on vtcx batteries against use in mech mods so i could probably get a bunch of money out of sony if my battery vented and hurt me. i feel like you don't understand that rationality holds no place in the judicial system here in america, or in any country for that matter. if someone wants to sue, they will, and your reasonings about whether it's "right" or not is not going to change whether they win or not. things like law, court, government, they aren't based in reason and fairness, haven't you been paying attention?
and you keep saying how things aren't adding to the thread. you don't seem to be adding much to the thread besides rudeness. people discussing things, that's what threads are. how many threads have stayed on one clear and concise point from beginning to end? maybe like 5. ever.
Thank you. That needed to be said.
To he fair that lady got tore up and marred permanently. That coffee was way beyond too hot to drink. If you happen upon the pictures it's pretty clear.
I just have to add this. Common sense would lend to the fact that if something is hot, (which coffee is normally served), one would use caution upon first, either drinking it or handling it... I, personally think, that was the stupidest lawsuit ever brought forward and paid out. Our justice system should be embarrassed for the precedent it set with that verdict!!!
If I recall correctly the cup was so hot the lady dropped it. Then she suffered deep wounds and severe third degree burns where it landed.
I'd have sued too.
I used to take the same stance. It was the brunt of many a joke for quite some time. Then I saw the lady's side of the story and the pictures on Netflix.
It wasn't cut and dry "stupid lady drinks coffee with lap and sues"...
But again, thanks for your input.
Right. Ok, I just did some reading on the McDonalds coffee lawsuit and beckdg has a point. That lady got .......*d up. I never really realized that. BUT y'all get where I was comin from with that.
Yeah man. You're good. It's tough to imagine until you see for yourself. Ive been burnt from soup from a pressure cooker that was far far from what that lady went through. I still can't imagine who would be stupid enough to serve that coffee.
It's mind boggling.
Should anyone care to see, just use Google Images and do a search for "burns from mcdonalds coffee". These were very bad burns.
she was this little 103 pound 78 or 79 year old lady. afterward she lost 20 lbs and was disabled for 2 years. what the........... that's some seriously messed up coffee. i mean, i love really hot coffee, but i do NOT like to drink lava.
As mentioned earlier the VTC4s and 5s are from Sony Energy Devices Corp/Device Solutions Group/Sony Corporation. The VTC5s can't be too old as the spec sheet is dated August 2013. Here is the spec sheet for the VTC5.
http://www.powerstream.com/p/us18650vtc5-vtc5.pdf
Unless I am mistaken, I don't see any reference to 30A.
Greg W.
http://www.powerstream.com/p/us18650vtc5-vtc5.pdf
Unless I am mistaken, I don't see any reference to 30A.
Greg W.
Here is another webpage from PowerStream that also has some interesting stuff on it. On the page it says:
"The VTC5 data sheet says 20 amps, but I found a Sony discharge curve that goes up to 40 amps, see below".
The plot thickens
(I've been saying that more and more lately about batteries)
To be honest the spec sheets don't mean very much but discharge curves do! The VTC5 has a very strong 40A discharge curve which doesn't surprise me because in short 3-5 second bursts it can discharge over 60A.
However...there is a MUCH more important discharge curve on that page IMO. Check out the 35A LG graph...that's SERIOUSLY impressive performance at 35A. No wonder I've been getting such good performance out of them with a .12 build, they don't get hot/warm at all and last just as long as Samsung 25R and VTC5. I've been saying all along that the constant drain limitations put on batteries by the manufacturers don't really apply to vapers, it's not a "constant drain" activity.
http://www.powerstream.com/p/LG 18650HE2 Technical Information.pdf
I'm extremely safe with all of my mods, I've never had an auto-fire incident and I likely never will so I pretty much live by the highest tested/graphed drain I can find on a cell. LG's pass with flying colors they've been taking 25-35A like a champ and the Samsung 25R is right there with them.
I haven't even been using my VTC5's lately...
Edit: Those LG PDF's Say Confidential in the top right corner... O_O
However...there is a MUCH more important discharge curve on that page IMO. Check out the 35A LG graph...that's SERIOUSLY impressive performance at 35A. No wonder I've been getting such good performance out of them with a .12 build, they don't get hot/warm at all and last just as long as Samsung 25R and VTC5. I've been saying all along that the constant drain limitations put on batteries by the manufacturers don't really apply to vapers, it's not a "constant drain" activity.
http://www.powerstream.com/p/LG 18650HE2 Technical Information.pdf
I'm extremely safe with all of my mods, I've never had an auto-fire incident and I likely never will so I pretty much live by the highest tested/graphed drain I can find on a cell. LG's pass with flying colors they've been taking 25-35A like a champ and the Samsung 25R is right there with them.
I haven't even been using my VTC5's lately...
Edit: Those LG PDF's Say Confidential in the top right corner... O_O
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I hear ya Froth. The problem as you know with using pulse rates for vaping is that if the mod does auto-fire you are much more likely to vent a battery than if you use the continuous rating. Is this safe? Well, it is as long as you don't have an auto-fire event or chain vape too long on a old or a otherwise compromised battery. People are, well, people and we make mistakes. If something can happen it likely will eventually. I don't consider this a safe setup for a daily vape and I don't do it. I also will not tell anyone it's safe.
If that works for you, more power to you man, but IMO it's nowhere near extremely safe. I've been using mechanical mods for two years now and I've never had a short and I might never have one. OTOH, it could happen tomorrow and though it might be totally my fault, there might also be nothing that I could reasonably have done to avoid it. Either way, I depend on good batteries that don't vent with flame when they do vent to keep me safe, but every once in a while the stars align and these batts do 'explode' too.
For me to be running a setup that would vent a battery if it auto-fired would increase my risk for getting hurt many times over. I believe most people that experienced a battery injury in that scenario would be looking for someone to sue and rightly so.
IMO it all depends on how much risk you are willing to take and still feel safe. You're willing to take more than most people which is not a good plan for most people
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To each their own, I've done enough research and testing to feel entirely safe with what I do. What I do ask is that anyone who reads my post understands that I am not condoning my own actions for others to try, I am simply sharing my experiences as they happen as always.
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