right, well none of those things really relate to a battery manufacturer like sony
Sony 18650 Battery (Who Makes them???) Not Sony.
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right, well none of those things really relate to a battery manufacturer like sony
!!!!!!UPDATE!!!!!!!
If you have not seen the forum on the Sony vtc battery, I found this video in this Forum, which Baditude responded to as well. I do hope the story is genuine and wanted to share this with you.
When you click on the link the story will start about the ever growing Sony VTC battery and all it's genuine glory.
The Plumes of Hazard Episode 31: Highway to the Ranger Zone - YouTube
If you have not seen the forum on the Sony vtc battery, I found this video in this Forum, which Baditude responded to as well. I do hope the story is genuine and wanted to share this with you.
When you click on the link the story will start about the ever growing Sony VTC battery and all it's genuine glory.
The Plumes of Hazard Episode 31: Highway to the Ranger Zone - YouTube
If a manufacturer is concerned about their batteries being used for unintended purposes (like in an e-cigarette device, and being abused by using them beyond the listed 30 continuous amp limit like some sub-ohm vapers are doing), it could relate if a manufacturer is concerned about possible lawsuits. I brought the subject up as a possible reason why the one Sony rep responded as they did via the email inquirey to confirm battery specs.
Anybody can sue anybody and end up winning huge sums of money, whether we agree with the verdict/court system or not. Even though the "victims" of the Pure Smoker mod probably used the wrong batteries in it and therefore contributed to their own injuries, the lawsuit literally forced Pure Smoker out of business. Perhaps I was reading more into the Sony reply than I should, but my first thoughts were of Sony protecting their butts by reinforcing the unintended application of their batteries and then saying that they were discontinued.
So, we have one email from a Sony rep saying that these batteries were no longer being made by Sony and had been discontinued in production years ago, but there are still multiple manufacturers making a battery being passed on as a Sony with undeterminined specifications. We also have a so-called high-level rep from Sony speak with Illumination Supply and say that they indeed do make the Sony VTC batteries but production was affected by the nuclear power plant catastrophy in Japan, but a replacement facility is now in full production in the Phillipines.
A lot has happened in just a weeks time. Are these two very different stories from Sony representatives just a case of one hand not knowing what the other was doing, or what?
This situation just adds to the confusion of the battery industry in Japan & China, and I'll be observing the subsequent reports that are made in the future.
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If a manufacturer is concerned about their batteries being used for unintended purposes (like in an e-cigarette device, and being abused by using them beyond the listed 30 continuous amp limit like some sub-ohm vapers are doing), it could relate if a manufacturer is concerned about possible lawsuits. I brought the subject up as a possible reason why the one Sony rep responded as they did via the email inquirey to confirm battery specs.
Anybody can sue anybody and end up winning huge sums of money, whether we agree with the verdict/court system or not. Even though the "victims" of the Pure Smoker mod probably used the wrong batteries in it and therefore contributed to their own injuries, the lawsuit literally forced Pure Smoker out of business. Perhaps I was reading more into the Sony reply than I should, but my first thoughts were of Sony protecting their butts by reinforcing the unintended application of their batteries and then saying that they were discontinued.
So, we have one email from a Sony rep saying that these batteries were no longer being made by Sony and had been discontinued in production years ago, but there are still multiple manufacturers making a battery being passed on as a Sony with undeterminined specifications. We also have a so-called high-level rep from Sony speak with Illumination Supply and say that they indeed do make the Sony VTC batteries but production was affected by the nuclear power plant catastrophy in Japan, but a replacement facility is now in full production in the Phillipines.
A lot has happened in just a weeks time. Are these two very different stories from Sony representatives just a case of one hand not knowing what the other was doing, or what?
The battery manufacturer wouldn't be liable for their product being misused. That's like Chevy being worried about being sued for somebody crashing their car because they were driving it 160 MPH. Maybe you should relax with the speculation and fear mongering.
Maybe you should just speak for yourself and stop responding negatively to every post I make. Keep the personal comments to yourself. What is your issue? I have every right to speak my mind on this forum as long as I stay within the rules.
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Address the post, not the poster, right? Your post was completely illogical. I challenged it. Deal with it.
Play nice children, the back and forth banter isn't furthering the subject. I think that the VTC 5 is still a reliable battery regardless of who makes it, On the condition you purchase it from a reputable supplier. I bought mine from RTD vapors months ago on the recommendation of Baditude if I'm not mistaken. I've subohmed like crazy with them and haven't had an issue, so why should I be lead to believe that if I continue to purchase VTC 5's from RTD vapors, that there would be any variation with the type or capability of the battery?
Also note that hundreds, if not thousands of others have also purchased VTC5's from this same vendor and haven't had issues either. Further note the true lack of cases where ANY VTC 5 has actually vented or failed on a person. There are probably cases out there, but I would bet money that it is a far fewer number than reports of Efest batteries.
Food for thought
Also note that hundreds, if not thousands of others have also purchased VTC5's from this same vendor and haven't had issues either. Further note the true lack of cases where ANY VTC 5 has actually vented or failed on a person. There are probably cases out there, but I would bet money that it is a far fewer number than reports of Efest batteries.
Food for thought
While I'm certainly not a rabid as the other guy, I do find this to be misguided if not fearmongering. A sony rep basically lying isn't going to cover sony if they are actually liable for something. If they aren't making them then they aren't liable. If they are, then they might be. Nothing a rep says is going to affect that, so there is likely no concerted effort to misinform the public. Sony has plenty of money for lawyers anyway.
Speaking from experience, you'd be surprised how little being a "reputable supplier" in the US means with regard to the China end of the sourcing. RTD likely has as much chance of getting a fake batch of batteries as any wholesaler trying to get legit batteries.
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You seem to speak in absolutes at times B1sh0p. There is no way you can defend your statement above, it is simply untrue.
You might not agree with everything Bad said and there is nothing wrong with posting about that and discussing things. When you say things like the above statement you lose credibility to me. I don't know if you're young and inexperienced, or just behaving in a troll-like manner.
The details of what you say and the words you use matter a lot in how people perceive your writing. Most people 'get' that. There is also a big difference in stating an opinion as an opinion and stating something as a fact.
I have no beef with you B1sh0p. I believe we can all contribute to the conversation and that I can learn something from anyone if what they say makes sense.
Vape on
I've read of a bunch of instances where VTCx batteries have vented due to a short in the mod. None have ever burned or exploded though that I know of. None have vented that I know of from using too low a resistance in a mod either. The same is true for all IMR based batteries out there.
Unless I missed some, in which case someone please post a link or two
To that regard, that would be a user error. We should safely be able to assume that a vtc5 will handle a .2 ohms load easily and provided the are no shorts, the batteries should be able to perform well. I still have faith in my vtc5sI've read of a bunch of instances where VTCx batteries have vented due to a short in the mod. None have ever burned or exploded though that I know of. None have vented that I know of from using too low a resistance in a mod either. The same is true for all IMR based batteries out there.
Unless I missed some, in which case someone please post a link or two
You seem to speak in absolutes at times B1sh0p. There is no way you can defend your statement above, it is simply untrue.
You might not agree with everything Bad said and there is nothing wrong with posting about that and discussing things. When you say things like the above statement you lose credibility to me. I don't know if you're young and inexperienced, or just behaving in a troll-like manner.
The details of what you say and the words you use matter a lot in how people perceive your writing. Most people 'get' that. There is also a big difference in stating an opinion as an opinion and stating something as a fact.
I have no beef with you B1sh0p. I believe we can all contribute to the conversation and that I can learn something from anyone if what they say makes sense.
Vape on
The idea that a corporation as large as Sony is worried about lawsuits stemming from the misuse of their product is laughable and without merit. Conjuring up conspiracy theories doesn't add to the thread.
I'm not sure if this will help in peoples research for the Sony Batteries but I noticed that in Sony's Press releases they do not call them VTC
But they say, Olivine-type lithium-ion iron phosphate secondary battery
So if you do a search on Sony sites for say Olivine-type or one or two of them other 7 words
you might be able to find more news when it comes out.
August 11, 2009
Sony Global - Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Ph
May 10, 2011
Sony Global - Sony to ship 1.2kWh energy storage modules using rechargeable lithium-ion batteries made from olivine-type phosphate
August 23, 2013
Sony Global - Expanding from the Development of Olivine-Type Lithium-Ion Iron Phosphate Storage Batteries to Include Other Peripheral Devices
April 16, 2014
Sony Global - Sony and Hydro-Québec Announce the Establishment of a Joint Venture to Start Development of a Large-Scale Energy Storage System for Power Grids
The 1.2kWh energy storage modules using them
But they say, Olivine-type lithium-ion iron phosphate secondary battery
So if you do a search on Sony sites for say Olivine-type or one or two of them other 7 words
you might be able to find more news when it comes out.August 11, 2009
Sony Global - Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Ph
May 10, 2011
Sony Global - Sony to ship 1.2kWh energy storage modules using rechargeable lithium-ion batteries made from olivine-type phosphate
August 23, 2013
Sony Global - Expanding from the Development of Olivine-Type Lithium-Ion Iron Phosphate Storage Batteries to Include Other Peripheral Devices
April 16, 2014
Sony Global - Sony and Hydro-Québec Announce the Establishment of a Joint Venture to Start Development of a Large-Scale Energy Storage System for Power Grids
The 1.2kWh energy storage modules using them
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Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery
Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Phosphate as the Cathode Material
Sony Global - Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Ph
Main Features
1. Power density: 1800W/kg (20A continuous discharge)
2. Long-life: more than 80% capacity retention after 2,000 charge-discharge cycles
3. Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes
Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes
I need what ever charger they are using
Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Phosphate as the Cathode Material
Sony Global - Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Ph
Main Features
1. Power density: 1800W/kg (20A continuous discharge)
2. Long-life: more than 80% capacity retention after 2,000 charge-discharge cycles
3. Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes
Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes
I need what ever charger they are using
Sony had $60 billion in sales last year. I spent 25 years working for a multinational corporation that had $40 billion in sales last year. I can assure you this type of liability is taken very seriously by all companies, specially when it involves injury or death.
Just because you state something as fact and talk about 'laughable and without merit' does not make it correct. It also again takes away from your credibility.
OTOH, Bad said that Sony might be protecting themselves as his opinion stated as such. That is not fear mongering and there is nothing wrong with giving the opinion as an opinion.
No one is 'out to get you' B1sh0p so there's no need to be defensive. Relax, have a vape and think things through
Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery
Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Phosphate as the Cathode Material
Sony Global - Sony Launches High-power, Long-life Lithium Ion Secondary Battery Using Olivine-type Lithium Iron Ph
Main Features
1. Power density: 1800W/kg (20A continuous discharge)
2. Long-life: more than 80% capacity retention after 2,000 charge-discharge cycles
3. Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes
Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes
I need what ever charger they are using
Yup, these are LiFePo cells and have been around for a while, as per the 2009 date on the earliest of those press releases from Sony. They have not bad 20A discharge rates, but at 1100 mAh will not last long compared to our batteries.
They are 3.2V nominal I believe and 3.6V off the charger, as opposed to our 4.2V. That means their 20A is comparable to 17A at 4.2V. There are LiFePo 3.6V chargers out there.
For my request on the Sony website, it has been viewed 32 times as of today with no current feedback. But as Baditude explains, there is a reason they are not responding and while Sony may not sell them directly as they were originally intended for OEM use. I still feel it is the safest battery for sub ohm vapers. I actually just ordered a couple vtc5's as the last 2 purple eFest 35 Amp batteries I own are actually LG 20Amp batteries...While my typical builds fall from 0.3 to 0.5 ohms. I am going to start experimenting with single coil builds and build around 0.7 and up. I do like dripping, but it does tend to be a pain to constantly drip every few puffs. And now I have seen the new rda that has a tank built in to where you can just push down the drip tip and it pours juice from the tank directly on your coils and wick.....GENIUS! it's called "The Big Dripper" made by sub ohm innovations. OK.back to batteries.....
So the big question now is, what is to be our trusty new replacement for the now infamous VTC5? I've heard some good stuff about LG batteries, AW IMR's have always had a great reputation, but don't have the capability I need. I'm aware of the 1800 mah 18650, but 1800 mah is fairly low IMO. I'm personally not open to using Efest batteries period. My view on them is and always has been that they overstate their capabilities and are unreliable. I've also heard here and there that they are just repackaged LG batteries
LG, Samsung, Orbtronics. Vamped claims they have their batteries made specifically for them for the use of vaping and have a 40 amp limit, but I'm somewhat skeptical.
I would be too. I saw on another thread where Sony is supposedly still making the batteries? Sounded fairly confirming to me. I think that was the one baditude started
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