Here is a link. It starts at 1:05 on the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSRsOk4NdZI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSRsOk4NdZI
Sony VTC batteries are and will continue to be made by Sony
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If this is true, its really good news. It makes me wonder about the email received by a customer inquiring about specs for the VTC from so-called Sony reps. Was that the result of the wrong division being questioned? In other words, the left hand not knowing what's going on with the right hand? Perplexing.
The conversation with the mod maker was interesting. Him and Illumination Supply got to talk with a high level Sony representative about the e-cig trade. Perhaps we may have a battery actually designed for use for e-cigarette use, as opposed to us using batteries designed for other applications.
The conversation with the mod maker was interesting. Him and Illumination Supply got to talk with a high level Sony representative about the e-cig trade. Perhaps we may have a battery actually designed for use for e-cigarette use, as opposed to us using batteries designed for other applications.
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Good link..thanks for posting this. Good to hear something substantial from a more reliable source instead of the old rumor mill.
What exactly do you think an ecig battery would be like? Basically you want safety, capacity and high amp discharge capability ... in other words the same thing as other consumer applications such as power tools. There is no real designing a battery "for" the ecig application beyond the standard battery characteristics. The only difference might be safety circuits -- which can be and are already are added by manufacturers, ala Orbtronic.
Well, since there are vapers who are sub-ohming at 0.1 ohm (a 42 amp continuous discharge rate) and lower and therefore going over the 30 amp continuous rating, how about developing a 50 amp continuous discharge battery with decent mAh capacity?
I don't really know, I'm not an electrical, chemical, or physics engineer. I'm just a safety-conscious consumer and vaper. From what I have read previously, the battery manufacturers were not keen on us using their batteries in our specific applications because they were not being used for the applications that the batteries were designed for. So, make us some batteries that are a better fit for our application. How's that, doctor?
It would be great to have easy to find battery specifications on these batteries. Manufacturer confirmation of which spec is more suitable for our applications, such as the difference between pulse and continuous amp ratings. If a manufacturer states their battery is 35 amps, is that the continuous or pulse rating (hear me Efest?).
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Margin of safety. I don't go ridiculously low anyway, but if someone's ohm reader wasn't 100% accurate, or rounding to a particular decimal point. Conceivably a person could draw more amps than they calculated if they even bothered to calculate it. A margin of safety at the very least could cause a reduction for the vaping community in additional negative news stories that could effect additional legislation of ecigs.
Exactly. And thank you.
We read practically every day on this forum of novices using an RBA and not knowing what ohm they are using, not using an ohm meter or knowing what its for, or actually knowing they are using a 0.05 ohm coil with a Sony battery and somehow believing thats within the battery's limits.
Yeah, that's reckless and not adviseable, but its being done. I'm not sure if a 50 amp battery would keep these folks out of trouble, but it gives them a little larger margin of safety which might keep them off of CNN's evening report.
We don't need even further reason for the FDA to over-regulate what kind of devices that we can choose to use. Give them a reason, and they will regulate it out of existance.
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I'm all for increasing battery quality. But, as it stands now, the quality is great and the track record is impeccable. 50 amp batteries would be fantastic, but they're unnecassrary.
I doubt Sony will develop anything new for ecigs. However they may get an ecig stamp of approval from their Engineering and R&D departments of a current model or two and then market them as such.
Even if the amp limit isn't upped, I think we can all agree it would be lovely to buy batteries without having to wait for trickle down from OEM selloff. We don't have to mod the crap out of random tubes and 510 connections anymore, because manufacturers saw the demand from us, and now we're both better off. Imagine actually getting reliable specs from the manufacturer, including more info on this mysterious "pulse" battery limit.
I think it sounds ideal, personally. Sure the track record has been great so far, but I'm sure batteries manufactured for vapers, especially ones with trustworthy specs and high amp limits and mAh ratings, would sell like hot cakes. And I'd rather wait in line for those, than VTCx's with an unknown backstory.
I'm not saying anyone will make 18650s for vapors, but I do think it would be nice.
I think it sounds ideal, personally. Sure the track record has been great so far, but I'm sure batteries manufactured for vapers, especially ones with trustworthy specs and high amp limits and mAh ratings, would sell like hot cakes. And I'd rather wait in line for those, than VTCx's with an unknown backstory.
I'm not saying anyone will make 18650s for vapors, but I do think it would be nice.
"Pulse" isn't mysterious. A good rule of thumb is 30 seconds. That's how MIT defines pulse. I'm okay with that.
As far as I've seen, that's always been hearsay. I don't buy it. If they don't like us using them, it's more likely due to the conflation with tobacco/nicotine.
To reiterate my point, a made-for-ecig battery would look exactly like the batteries we use for ecigs. In other words, we are finding and using the most suitable batteries for ecigs. Obviously more current and energy capacity is always better, so that's not a real suggestion. Insomuch as we find and use the batteries with the highest and/or most appropriate combination of each for our loads, they are already making batteries for ecigs. There is nothing they would do differently to make them for ecigs.
Hmm, very interesting. Do you have a reference to that MIT pulse definition?
I agree with this. I've never read this from any battery manufacturer.
The whole concept of something not being designed for a particular use is a non-starter for me anyway. It means we should never re-purpose anything because it would not work right anyway, which is not true. All that matters is how well something does the job you're using it for.
Nothing is ever going to be perfect or totally safe. Even a piece of paper can cut us, not exactly as serious as a battery exploding, but not totally safe either.
For me, the biggest thing I want from my vape battery is that it will not burn or explode in use when I short it and IMO we already have that. What I would really like is some form of assurance from the manufacturer that the battery is not counterfeit. I don't know how that can be done without it being counterfeited too, but I can still wish for it
MIT did use that definition here.
http://web.mit.edu/evt/summary_battery_specifications.pdf
But JPL used this definition of 60 seconds.
https://www.google.com/search?q=JPL...#hl=en&q=JPL+battery+specifications+amp+pulse
In everyday usage with a mech it could vary by the user of course this is a mute point if you have a VV/VW device with a chip that has a maximum amp draw for pulse.
Anyway hope Sony continues making us nice batteries.
http://web.mit.edu/evt/summary_battery_specifications.pdf
But JPL used this definition of 60 seconds.
https://www.google.com/search?q=JPL...#hl=en&q=JPL+battery+specifications+amp+pulse
In everyday usage with a mech it could vary by the user of course this is a mute point if you have a VV/VW device with a chip that has a maximum amp draw for pulse.
Anyway hope Sony continues making us nice batteries.
I already see the confusion here with two different definitions of a 'pulse'. One by an educational institution (30 seconds) and the other by a national lab (60 seconds) each with their own applications. Which one to trust since both are prestigious institutions? How about industrial standards set by battery manufacturers? Like how they perform capacity testing with 0.2C discharge rate @25 degree C.
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Regardless, for our purposes, it doesn't matter. The people really pushing battery's aren't coming near 30 seconds.
There is as far as I know no standard definition of pulse and one would think that the manufacturer's view of it is most important of all. I have seen this chart for Sonys:
While this chart does seem to square with certain ideas about pulse draw, it's worth noting this is really a specification for the safety circuit/fuse. The numbers listed are very imprecise ("<").
It's not normal and/or attended use that you have to worry about.
While this chart does seem to square with certain ideas about pulse draw, it's worth noting this is really a specification for the safety circuit/fuse. The numbers listed are very imprecise ("<").
It's not normal and/or attended use that you have to worry about.
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