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TropicalBob

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News story on snus posted on my favorite snus forum:

As R.J. Reynolds prepares a national marketing campaign for the company's new smokeless-tobacco product, dubbed 'Camel Snus,' public-health experts say that not enough is known about the possible harmful effects of products being positioned as an alternative to smoking, the Washington Post reported Nov. 23.

Snus is a tea bag-like pouch of steam-pasteurized smokeless tobacco that consumers can tuck between their cheek and gum to deliver a hit of nicotine. R.J. Reynolds plans to launch the marketing campaign for Camel Snus early next year, and at least two other U.S. tobacco companies are test-marketing snus.

But Dorothy Hatsukami, director of the Tobacco Use Research Center at the University of Minnesota, said information about nicotine absorption and toxicity for tobacco products is lacking, and that there is not enough data on snus to make per-dose comparisons to cigarettes or spit tobacco.

"I think we're all holding our breath in terms of what's going to be coming down the pike," Hatsukami said. "There's not much known about these products -- what's in these products, how they're going to be used, who's going to be using them and what the effects of that use will be … Will it create more harm or less harm?"

Researchers at West Virginia University recently tested Camel Snus and found at least two carcinogens. "It's not like chewing gum. This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes," said Robert Anderson, deputy director of West Virginia University's Prevention Research Center.

Experts worry that Snus will be particularly attractive to children with its brightly colored tins and names like "frost" and "spice," and that adults will have a tough time monitoring children's use because the product is easy to conceal.
 

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Experts worry that Snus will be particularly attractive to children with its brightly colored tins and names like "frost" and "spice," and that adults will have a tough time monitoring children's use because the product is easy to conceal.

These so-called experts just make me exasperated.
They basically kill off smoking so we all just go and find alternatives which have absolutely no effect on other people and they're still not happy.

What exactly is kid-attractive about "frost" and "spice" they sound like two regular nouns to me? Maybe BT they should just market these products in monochrome packaging and call them "dog" and "sh*t".

EDIT - just to be really controversial here, why shouldn't kids be allowed to use smokeless nicotine if they want to (they certainly do use smokeable nicotine (and other plants) - this we know for sure)? There's no age restriction on caffeine (and I speak as a life-long coffee addict since the age of about 12).
 
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While I was reading this thread an advert came on telly for 'niquotine 'Pre-quit'' lozenges that also come with a quitting 'plan'.....they seem to have changed the product name and the wording of these adverts lately. I know so many arguments go on here about the semantics of talking about e-cigs and I am wondering if they are also now trying to be more careful about the wording they are using to describe their approved 'quitting smoking' products because of the looming battle over e-cigs.
 

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It is starting to look like China has more freedoms than North Americans. We really need more people to get angry.

I believe it is more accurate to say that China has less regulation than North America. I recall attending a presentation by a big money manager from California who said the reason that companies open up shop in China and other parts of Asia is because there are looser environmental regulations. No corporation would admit that, would they?

Think about it. Whether you are a large multinational corporation from the U.S., Germany, Sweden, etc., why wouldn't you start a manufacturing center in a place that has very few regulations. If thrity percent of the cost of starting a manufacturing plant in North America, for example, was due to regulatory edicts, I could easily see why moving manufacturing anywhere else would be much more profitable. This does not mean the products are necessarily less reliable, but more profitable for shareholders. If you are not an investor, you would not understand my diatribe.
 

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Oh Katink, what a devil's brew this mess is. And how do we escape it? VCU is under Philip Morris' thumb and PM will get that "anti snus" research it wants. That will allow the PM position on the board at the FDA, considering alternatives, to deny snus legal status in this country (it is banned in the EU, as you're surely aware).

We can also expect nasty reports on e-smoking as we now practice it, but praiseworthy reports on PM's Aria inhaler (when the company is ready to market it). Ban today's e-devices. Approve the Aria.

PM has bought it all -- a medical university, hospital, research facility, professors. And it has veto power over everything discovered while using its millions in donations. What a tragedy.

Here we sit .. a David who is clueless that Goliath not only is bigger but has an A-bomb at his disposal.
 

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EDIT - just to be really controversial here, why shouldn't kids be allowed to use smokeless nicotine if they want to (they certainly do use smokeable nicotine (and other plants) - this we know for sure)? There's no age restriction on caffeine (and I speak as a life-long coffee addict since the age of about 12).

This isn't controversial... this is the truth. It makes me sick that a child can purchase a Red Bull and then pop an ADHD pill to balance it out and adult behaviors are being scrutinized left and right. We need to stop parenting adults and start having parents, parent their children.

Caffeine should have an age limit if nicotine does. I have done a lot of research on nicotine vs. caffeine and from all of my accounts and findings, the two drugs do exactly the same thing for the body (except nicotine has been found to help with mental disorders while caffeine is not).

Also, caffeine falls into the same drug family as ....... so theoretically, it should be banned before nicotine. 18 should be the magic age. You can vote, die for your country, drink a beer, have a smoke, and drink a coke!
 

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And I don't see anyone questioning VCU on this case... There are some students trying to battle to get their university 'clean' but well... what will their chances be...

I've always known that things worldwide but especially in the states were led and manouvered by money and shady influence... I never thought it went this far though. You are right, PM 'owns' university, hospital, bio-labs, the lot from what I can see.

A tragedy indeed... David will have to have a world of luck, lots of smartness and probably some divine intervention to win this one...
But giving up is something we shouldn't be doing... try we must!

Edit Oh and Bob... they found 2 carcinogens (of course tiny amounts, but why say that) to get it banned... then they will 'discover a snus without carcinogen' and bring it onto the market under PM's wing for their prices... did you know that PM-international has a joint venture with SafetyMatch Sweden since shortly? Devil's brew it is...
 
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It is starting to look like China has more freedoms than North Americans. We really need more people to get angry.

Oh trust me I'm f*cking ...... my man. But what is that going to do?!? These corrupt a**holes that control everything are going to do what they're gonna do.

What I find completely sad is all these little sheep running around writing emails and signing petitions...trying to "make a difference" --yeah OK. If you don't have CASH you don't mean sh*t. It's the way of the world. Always has been and always will be.

Guess I'll just sit back and see if the "wise ones" allow me to have my snus. If they take that from me I'm going to be up sh*t's creek without a paddle (but of course provided with either a pack of Marlboro's or nicorette gum).

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I think Lacey also has an idea, from her research, on how thorough and far-reaching Philip Morris has been to set up the takeover scanario we see today. Yes, I knew of the Swedish snus connection. They sell 1847 in Sweden (I've used a tin, not bad).

And to think they are a Senate vote and a Presidential signature away from a seat on the FDA's advisory committee to approve "new" alternatives to cigarettes. Alternatives like .. e-cigs they don't yet sell. And snus they don't market in the U.S. And dissolvables they don't manufacture, but RJR does. My, my. What PM wants, PM gets.
 

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I think Lacey also has an idea, from her research, on how thorough and far-reaching Philip Morris has been to set up the takeover scanario we see today. Yes, I knew of the Swedish snus connection. They sell 1847 in Sweden (I've used a tin, not bad).

And to think they are a Senate vote and a Presidential signature away from a seat on the FDA's advisory committee to approve "new" alternatives to cigarettes. Alternatives like .. e-cigs they don't yet sell. And snus they don't market in the U.S. And dissolvables they don't manufacture, but RJR does. My, my. What PM wants, PM gets.

This is how I feel about this whole scenario:
 

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Totally off-topic completely irrelevant rant...

...can purchase a Red Bull and then...
If I was going to nominate something to be put through a full “new drug” rectal exam, that stuff in the skinny cans that “gives you wings” would be my candidate. It became fashionable among young people within the subculture of serious poker players several years ago, so I see it a lot, being guzzled by people sitting elbow to elbow with me at a poker table for hours at a time.

It is seriously weird. It just is. I watch big physical and mental changes come over them as they swill this concoction, and I swear they get more weirded out than a crackhead.

Plus, it tastes & smells like feet.

[end of my irrelevant rant]
 
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Oh Katink, what a devil's brew this mess is. And how do we escape it? VCU is under Philip Morris' thumb and PM will get that "anti snus" research it wants. That will allow the PM position on the board at the FDA, considering alternatives, to deny snus legal status in this country (it is banned in the EU, as you're surely aware).

We can also expect nasty reports on e-smoking as we now practice it, but praiseworthy reports on PM's Aria inhaler (when the company is ready to market it). Ban today's e-devices. Approve the Aria.

PM has bought it all -- a medical university, hospital, research facility, professors. And it has veto power over everything discovered while using its millions in donations. What a tragedy.

Here we sit .. a David who is clueless that Goliath not only is bigger but has an A-bomb at his disposal.

Oh brother, I feel sick!!! This is really,really bad news.
 

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information about nicotine absorption and toxicity for tobacco products is lacking

there is not enough data on snus to make per-dose comparisons

There's not much known about these products

who's going to be using them

This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes

particularly attractive to children with its brightly colored tins and names like "frost" and "spice," .

If the lines are working on the American Public in their favor, why change them just because the product changes? Ptha! We might as well call this nation the United States of Philip Morrisca, because their money is calling all the shots...

We Americans really need to wake up and smell what's REALLY being fed to us for breakfast....It don't smell like coffee and toast, that's for sure!
 
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