spells of fatigue and feeling sort of down

[Bob Chill]

I was prescribed a "safe" and "non-habit forming" pain killer for a back injury. I was on them for 4 months. They gave me a weird mood lift but no typical narcotic pain killer effects. I asked my doc about the mood thing and he said I was imagining things because my back didn't hurt.

Before I ran out I stopped taking them and experienced awful withdrawal. Much of it was a terrible depressed state and I've never felt anything like that before. My doc said I was imagining things because tramadol has no withdrawal because it's non narcotic.

I starting reading about it. My doc was full of it. Just google tramadol withdrawal. It's and evil drug touted as totally safe my most md's. There is a pronounced maoi effect with the drug and it jacked me up. Took several months to be totally "me" again. I was so ....... I felt some similar things when I quit analogs. Not nearly as pronounced but definitely similar. I never want anything to mess with my mind like that again. I'm done with that chapter.

 

[RobinBanks]

hydration is a importent point.
a gallon a day?
do you way over three hundred pounds?
seems like your over hydrated.
a gallon a day is a lot for a normal sized person.
regards
mike

LOL! I'm no danger of starvation, but I'm "normal" sized.
Yeah the vaping just makes me really thirsty and it's like the more water I drink, the more I crave. On top of that I'm still having my coffee and diet soda at meals. I have a 32oz bottle that I just keep filling and I have it with me at all times, so I'm not forcing it down or anything.

 

[RobinBanks]

No, not at all. It's whole tobacco alkaloids. There are pros and cons. I did a LOT of reading on it first. After 35 years of smoking something was missing and it wasn't just nicotine since i was getting that.

ah ok, I definitely need to read up!

 

[RobinBanks]

Yeah 1st week and third week were the toughest for me also. Couple of times during that third week I said, "well one won't hurt." Didn't do it but I was thinking about it. I slept a lot the first month I quit, but felt fine during the day normally. I will say that I haven't been that motivated to go to the gym since quitting, but I'm not all that sure that is related to quitting smoking as much as it is related to summer winding down.

Anyway, best of luck to you.

Yep everything does feel like it's taking extra effort. Thnkfully I haven't had any of thos "I could just have one" thoughts. I'm more in the kicking myself in the .... phase.

 

[RobinBanks]

I was prescribed a "safe" and "non-habit forming" pain killer for a back injury. I was on them for 4 months. They gave me a weird mood lift but no typical narcotic pain killer effects. I asked my doc about the mood thing and he said I was imagining things because my back didn't hurt.

Before I ran out I stopped taking them and experienced awful withdrawal. Much of it was a terrible depressed state and I've never felt anything like that before. My doc said I was imagining things because tramadol has no withdrawal because it's non narcotic.

I starting reading about it. My doc was full of it. Just google tramadol withdrawal. It's and evil drug touted as totally safe my most md's. There is a pronounced maoi effect with the drug and it jacked me up. Took several months to be totally "me" again. I was so ....... I felt some similar things when I quit analogs. Not nearly as pronounced but definitely similar. I never want anything to mess with my mind like that again. I'm done with that chapter.

You know, I guess I've never really experienced this part of withdrawal before in my life. Was never able to "quit" smoking for more than a few days, and thankfully have never experienced it from any other substance either.

You guys have seriously calmed my sht down.

 

[Rickajho]

You know, I guess I've never really experienced this part of withdrawal before in my life. Was never able to "quit" smoking for more than a few days, and thankfully have never experienced it from any other substance either.

You guys have seriously calmed my sht down.

I think if you check the ACS web site, they even admit now that quitting smoking is much harder for people with depression due to the MAOI effect from smoking. Our "fix" with smoking isn't just about the nicotine.

When the depressed feeling first hit - about two weeks in to a significant smoking reduction - I actually did stop and wonder for a while if I was going to go back to smoking just over this problem. I didn't - just plowed through it to see where I would land. It did get better with time. Just for me it took more time that I wished it had.

Then again, I could have always stopped vaping and switched to the Chantix option instead. GACK! (It will pass...) Get outside. Smell a bunny or something. Find little things to amuse you and make you feel better. Like ECF!

 

[cramptholomew]

I'm glad that I saw this post. I've been meaning to post about this for a while. I'm 8 weeks in, and the past two weeks have been pretty bad depression and anxiety wise. I know that cigs have MAOIs, and I'm predisposed to depression, so this has been harder, mentally, than I thought. I've thought about trying snus, to see if that would help the doom and gloom, but I don't want to go down that road. I also don't want to give BT anymore of my money. I'm just gonna suck it up and muddle through. Hopefully things will even ouyout soon. By what I'm reading here, many of you have experienced the same things, and you've gotten through it.

 

[Taniger1]

Get outside. Smell a bunny or something. Find little things to amuse you and make you feel better. Like ECF!

I am TOTALLY ROTFLMAO

BUT he's right! I'm TOTALLY plagiarizing that!! I work a prison and this is going to be SOO fun!

 

[BigBen2k]

Ya'll are going to be better off without the analogs.

I've had a slight headache ever since that first (of three) analog. I can't seem to shake it.

 

[belsenj]

Well, after 38 years of smoking non-stop, and then going to vapor (name change), I can say that I have definitely had my downs, but it has all been for the good.

One of the biggest for me has been anxiety - oh my!! After the 4th week, I realized what it was and have been ever constant of it for my last 2 moths of vaping. My daughter has even said to me, "you are getting anxiety over having anxiety". Yup, absolutely true. If any of you know what it feels like to have anxiety, then you know what I am saying.

Dehydration, anxiety, can't wake in the morning, skin acne...just to name the more pronounced. It is happening to me. I would probably make a good study.

Anyway, yes - feeling down would equate to anxiety at a lesser extent, did I mention tired? Yes, I am tired, but have trouble falling asleep at night. I am also very hungry too.

I think these are all symptoms of cigarette withdrawals. I vape now, I do not smoke e-cigs.

 

[RobinBanks]

Get outside. Smell a bunny or something.

* chokes on water*

 

[Gautama]

I posted this in another thread. There are maoi effects with analogs. It takes a while for your body to balance out serotonin. I'm convinced that the hollow feeling that nic alone can't take care of is due to a chemical imbalance that only time can heal. Or antidepressants but that is not something I would consider.

It took me a month to shake it. Everybody is different too. Some people are prone to those problems even if they never smoked.You're doing excellent. Odds are high that it will all come together soon and you will be vaping away happily without the hollow feeling.

That is EXACTLY how I feel!! It's been hard to put a finger on it, but "hollow feeling" about sums it up. When I was on Chantix years ago I felt hollow and didn't enjoy, well, anything. I haven't quite felt like that but more of a "not right" feeling. Everything seems to have...changed somehow. I really don't know how to explain it.

 

[RobinBanks]

I think these are all symptoms of cigarette withdrawals. I vape now, I do not smoke e-cigs.

I'm extremely thankful that you guys are here for me. I did a lot of googling on symptoms of withdrawal from cigarettes and a lot of it fits, but then a lot refers nicotine withdrawal. I can't be sure if they're actually talking about cigarettes as a whole or just specifically effects of nicotine.

Then I read something about how a symptom could also be due to XYZ, then I google XYZ and then next thing you know I've diagnosed myself with whole body cancer, severe diabetes, and Lupus and start to panic. I've stopped doing that. The "Google medical symptoms rabbit hole" is a bad one to fall down.

 

[Chimney34]

Hey Robin! I felt extremely tired & sluggish the first couple of weeks. I felt like my energy was totally down & like I could sleep all day if I wanted. I also felt really down too. It passes my friend! Hang in there!

 

[RobinBanks]

Hey Robin! I felt extremely tired & sluggish the first couple of weeks. I felt like my energy was totally down & like I could sleep all day if I wanted. I also felt really down too. It passes my friend! Hang in there!

I'm hanging in. You guys help a lot!

 

[Gautama]

I'm extremely thankful that you guys are here for me. I did a lot of googling on symptoms of withdrawal from cigarettes and a lot of it fits, but then a lot refers nicotine withdrawal. I can't be sure if they're actually talking about cigarettes as a whole or just specifically effects of nicotine.

Then I read something about how a symptom could also be due to XYZ, then I google XYZ and then next thing you know I've diagnosed myself with whole body cancer, severe diabetes, and Lupus and start to panic. I've stopped doing that. The "Google medical symptoms rabbit hole" is a bad one to fall down.

No joke. Google is a hypochondriacs worst nightmare After today, I have myself convinced that quitting will cause me to get lung cancer...

 

[Mike Sheda]

as a full blown bi-polar on Cymbalta and Tramadol, I must say, there really is nothing more enjoyable than a good depression from time to time As some one that rides the roller coaster weekly, only one thing will keep you going. Did you feel like this 8 weeks ago? Nope? then don't worry, chances are you wont feel like this in 8 more weeks. You cycle, changes mean, well.. changes. Just hang on, try to enjoy the ride, step back, and really feel what you're feeling, taste them, relish them (they are yours after all, you may as well enjoy them). But understand... THEY AREN'T PERMANENT, just like vapors tongue, it will come and go. Just try to keep a sense of humor about it all, and good luck!

 

[Mike Sheda]

No joke. Google is a hypochondriacs worst nightmare After today, I have myself convinced that quitting will cause me to get lung cancer...

Never google your symptoms... you'll find out you either have Cancer, or Lupus.... (don't worry though... I have it on good authority that it's never Lupus)

 

[RobinBanks]

Never google your symptoms... you'll find out you either have Cancer, or Lupus.... (don't worry though... I have it on good authority that it's never Lupus)

I'm really pleased that someone picked up on the Lupus

 

[Rickajho]

You could look it up! This is one of the better reports about smoking and the MAOI issue, if you are able to weed through the jargon:

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/25/38/8593.full

To get the gist of the matter read the short Abstract section.

Talk about a vicious cycle!