spent 350 pounds so far and everything has had problems

[DJJonnyT]

Not even a Drop.

You Researched and Got more equipment. Knowledge is a totally different thing.
Wife has been using the Subtank Nano......with my support.......since Christmas.
NO SPITTING

Cheaper to learn than throw money at problems in hopes.

yo dude. what ohm coil is she using in her nano? the only time i had no problem with a subtank was when i used a 1.2 ohm at 16.5 watts with some 50/50 juice from ginersejuices... im hoping it will aplly with the subtank mini. i have 2 of them.. 1 leaks like hell and both have the spitting and gurgling issues this new smok tank is the best ive used so far but it still spits a bit.. no gurgling tho

 

[DJJonnyT]

All right. Let's start with the subtank mini....Are all the orings in the right place? Do you use stock coils or the rba? What's the resistance of the coil you're using? And at which wattage do you vae that? Which inhalation technique do you use, mouth-to-lung, or direct-lung hits?
All bottom coil tanks need negative pressure to keep from leaking. So it's important to take a few draws right after you've filled your tank, dry pulls with a new coil or regular draws with a used coil.
So just answer the questions above and let's see if we can get you to enjoy your subtank mini. It shouldn't have all those problems you're describing.
Once you've mastered the subtank, someone else might help you with your other tanks. We'll take a step-by-step approach here

im currently using clapton coils at 0.5 ohms. i love the direct lung inhale but the spitback is what makes me cringe.... i have 2 minis and one leaks like hell no matter what.. the other is sweet but needs a cleaning out.

 

[DJJonnyT]

Sorry to hear you're having a hard time getting things to work for you. You've already had some great advice on how to troubleshoot a tank.

I started with tanks in 2012 and they all have 'little details' that need to be understood to get them to work right. I can't think of a tank I've used in 4 years of vaping that could not be used incorrectly to the point that it would either give me dry or burnt hits, or flood and gurgle. They are not difficult once you understand a given tank, but it can be frustrating until you do.

A rebuildable dripper (RDA) doesn't have a tank. I never thought I would appreciate dripping because the thought of carrying a bottle of juice around and dripping a few drops each couple of drags seemed like a really dumb thing to do. Then I tried it and quickly realized the benefits. These eliminate the added complexity of getting the juice in the tank to the coil(s) because you do that manually. The drippers I use have deep drip wells so I get quite a few drags from one shot of juice. Yes, they also have their 'little details' that need to be learned, but vacuum is eliminated.

I almost didn't want to post this because I totally agree with the philosophy of learning to get the most from your gear before moving on to something new. That was what I did when I started vaping and it served me well. However, if you want something to vape while you experiment with a tank, an RDA might just keep your frustration at bay while you do that. And they're inexpensive, even taking into account a roll of Kanthal and some cotton balls.

im considering getting a dripper when i have more cash. i had a go on the guy at the stores today and it was magnificent. he showed me the ins and outs and gave me a drag... wow that drag and flavor.. also no gurgling or spit back ofc more money to spend but wth... ive spent up already may aswell keep pushing. dont wanna go back to cigs...

 

[DJJonnyT]

Op you can technically be doing everything correct and still make mistakes sounds stupid I know but it's true every tank has a way of doing things that rarely work on another tank so as others have said just use one tank have patience and get that working properly then move on. Everyone has come close to where you are at some time or another but good vaping just isn't plug and play though it's getting better usually in the end the frustration and time does get rewarded.

i sharp realised that its not a grab n go situation hahahaha. i mean its a lovely pleasurable thing to do, way more than cigs but its the persistance im struggling with. having all of these issues.. yeah im not owa clued up. i mean i have been a smoker for years and am very practical... just seems to be bad luck atm. i think im gunna stick to my smok for now and see how that goes... i get a bit of spitback but no gurgling.. all i want is a smooth draw.. no spitting, no gurgling.. i see people in the shops and their deveices sound so smooth..

 

[DJJonnyT]

Well....


Schnitzel sticks....


Ok, next area to play in will be your power settings...What are they on and what are you vaping them at....I now use a Kayfun Lite at 14 watts....but vaped for years at 9-10....always got gurling at 8 watts....And horrible flavor below 12.....(Took me a while to catch on though.)

i use 60 - 70 watts on a 0.2 ohm on my smok.. i have tried all sorts but im keen on the nice clouds aswell as throat hit so i go for 50/50.. ive had trouble with flooding with higher vg but im let off well enough with 50/50... tried 1.2 kanger coil on my subtank and that was the only time i got a smooth draw no spitback or gurgling at 16.5 watts and was using 50/50 gourmet juice from ginger e liquid... highly recommend btw.. service is awesome

 

[DJJonnyT]

@DJJonnyT I think that's your problem right there. PG is very runny compared to VG, this lack of viscosity may be causing the wick/coil to flood hence gurgle city, population, you. Remember the negative pressure in the tank and the viscosity of the e-liquid are what prevents the contents of the tank from just dumping out of the air holes.
Try increasing the VG in the mix to say 40/60 PG/VG, this will also have the added benefit of more vapor should that be desirable.

i seem to have more trouble with higher vg juices :/ but im gunna stick to max 60 vg for now minimum 50 pg and see how that goes. some people say pg flood tanks and others say vg haha. its hard to tell but i seem to have less trouble with 50/50

 

[sonicbomb]

Experimentation is often required to get the results you want. Sorry I misread your post, only trying to help.

 

[DJJonnyT]

Experimentation is often required to get the results you want. Sorry I misread your post, only trying to help.

dude youre doing more than help. along with all of the others who have took the time to reply... im really glad i joined the forum, what a nice bunch of truly canny people. i will persist!!! all the advice and feedback has made me feel a whole lot better about it)) still hoping for more feedback tho lol! more the better but im deffo gunna stick with one device!! my smok tfv mini! best one yet. im using the triple coils(if that makes any sense sorry i dont know the name of them they are smok tho...) the only issue now is spitback.. i have used a pipe gauze to cover it but it still bugs me a bit. hopefully i can work it out and solve it

 

[sonicbomb]

Persevere and you will get the vape you want. Ask all the questions you need to.

 

[caup]

well its safe to say im totally sick of all of this now.

I know the feeling. I started years ago with China ware like egoT, egoC, iMist. It ended always with the same result: After a few days, I didn't like the taste anymore. Then I tried a ZMax with different tank systems, but it wasn't satisfactory either. It must have been 4 years ago, that I was just about to quit vaping, when I tested dripping and got some 306 and 510 atomizers for the ZMax.
Dripping was a whole new experience. I couldn't believe the flavor improvement and dripping kept me vaping. But then I had to learn, that dripping can be a mess, especially if you are on business trips and want to take a toke inbetween.
This is, why I bought a "portable dripper" and got my first bottom feeder (same good taste, no dripping hassle).
From that moment in early 2012, I loved my Reo and never looked back.

 

[crxess]

i seem to have more trouble with higher vg juices :/ but im gunna stick to max 60 vg for now minimum 50 pg and see how that goes. some people say pg flood tanks and others say vg haha. its hard to tell but i seem to have less trouble with 50/50

Well, you can pretty much forget what a lot of claims are, beyond successful. Everything else relating to the same equipment is difference in experience and Vaping habits.

Tank = A holder for E-liquid. With proper wicking, they will all Hole e-liquid properly.
Wicking = material for e-liquid transfer. To much = Poor transfer - To little = flooding
Coil = Vaporizing heating element*
* To little power to Coil and e-liquid is not fully vaporized
* To much power to Coil and e-liquid is Blown off the Coil - Spitting

PG - Low viscosity - Watery
VG - High Viscosity - Syrupy

On an otherwise correct system:
Flow - Dictated by Vacuum created by strength of draw*
* Very light Draw can lad to dry wick - liquid not replenished
* Heavy Draw can lead to excessive liquid transfer - Flooding

There are literally a dozen different things one needs to take into account, knowingly or not, for a good vape to happen and a Tank to feed properly.

The answers are simple, but getting different individuals to understand and apply corrective measures is not. This is why some love what others despise. Why what works so well for one will not work at all for another.

If one fills a tank, lets it sit over night and it does not flood, the tank is doing its job and the Coil head is not causing Flooding.

Spitting - Turn the tank upside down. Blow through the air intake holes. Wipe the excess that runs out the drip tip.
Try again.
Change wattage
Try again.
There is no one size fits all hand book.
What works for person (A) may need modification for person (B) to see satisfaction. Watts/Volts/Draw/Ratio/Air Flow/etc.

*** If a person hands you a Duplicate of their build - That Works - and it fails,
Swap with that person. If theirs now Fails for you...............it is not the Build.

 

[SVrider]

yo dude. what ohm coil is she using in her nano? the only time i had no problem with a subtank was when i used a 1.2 ohm at 16.5 watts with some 50/50 juice from ginersejuices... im hoping it will aplly with the subtank mini. i have 2 of them.. 1 leaks like hell and both have the spitting and gurgling issues this new smok tank is the best ive used so far but it still spits a bit.. no gurgling tho

I use a subtank mini with the rba and NEVER have flooding or spitting or leaking. I use it at work (carpentry), I carry it in my motorcycle jacket, Leave it on its side fairly often and never have a problem. I wrap my own kanthal coils 28ga 2.5m id at around .65 ohm and normally vape 17-19 watts with the biggest air hole. I mostly vape Nicoticket juice 65/35 PG/VG.

Could it be the way your doing the wick? Or maybe your mod has a slow ramp up. Maybe try hitting the fire button a second sooner then you start to draw. So many things in combination might be giving you problems.

 

[niczgreat]

dude youre doing more than help. along with all of the others who have took the time to reply... im really glad i joined the forum, what a nice bunch of truly canny people. i will persist!!! all the advice and feedback has made me feel a whole lot better about it)) still hoping for more feedback tho lol! more the better but im deffo gunna stick with one device!! my smok tfv mini! best one yet. im using the triple coils(if that makes any sense sorry i dont know the name of them they are smok tho...) the only issue now is spitback.. i have used a pipe gauze to cover it but it still bugs me a bit. hopefully i can work it out and solve it

Your problem is that you chose the Mini TVF4 instead of the full size. Its just so strong you need some space between your mouth and the atomizer.
By the way Try the quad coil. I like it a lot the forum posters generally say they say it's better than the tri.

Also today I tried the new TF_8 Atty. It's a 8 Coil Atty made up of 4 Clapton double coils. I'm at the suggested range of 140 Watts on my Rx-2. Very hot but flavorful vape.

 

[Vapeing baker]

Just keep plugging away eventually itl all come together .I've a box full of tanks and drippers hunting for the holy grail .sometimes helps giving a little blow down your driptip before inhaling. Subtanks normally leak due to the bottom o ring being in the wrong way it has a flat and a round side flat side goes down.its easy to clean the tank an just chuck the o rings back in and not notice.I've got 4 subtank minis none of them leak .a nice tank I use a lot just now is the aspire triton 2 no leaks gurgling spitting but it means spending more cash .maybe put your area up someone may be prepared to meet and go over things with you.stick at it.

 

[MudVaper]

I feel your pain dude.

I've been vaping for over two years but just started using better equipment last November. I may be a slow learner (actually, I think I'm more impatient than slow) and I've found it takes me about a full month to master a new tank.

Finding the way to use it to my satisfaction, then keeping it vaping at that level and being able to quickly and easily address problems when they crop up.

It's frustrating but worth it.

 

[Kevin littell]

there is one other factor that all of these tanks share that MIGHT be the culprit.....


I used to vape with the airflow wide open till I started getting dry hits.....then I'd close them down, plug the intakes and take a hit to prime the coil. I was getting DRY hits.(Exactly the opposite from your problem to start off with.)


And for 15 or 20 primes the coils were good till priming them blew out the wicking at the juice holes then the bleeping thing would leak all over the place.

Airflow settings and usage?


I went to a Kayfun for ADV and now keep a dripper handy for morning eye opener and last vape of the day.

BUT I GOT away from premade coils and the tanks that use them because I got tired of throwing good money at cheap Chinese trinkets.


Ever consider a dedicated rebuildable like a Goblin or a Kayfun?

 

[edyle]

well its safe to say im totally sick of all of this now. i have looked well into vaping and the best methods yet every single tank ive bought spits and gurgles. i went to a vape store and met some of the most canny, clued up fellows trying to help me out. the guy set up my maganus dvc... gurgles spits. i bought a new aspire cleito... gurgles spits. i have had 2 subtank nanos.. both gurgle and spit ond both leak. have bought 2 subtank minis... both gurgle and spit. i swear im doing everything right, priming the coils fine, doing this that. my vape isnt silly either.. i take nice slow draws and dont push the tank over the edge. literallyt nothing has worked for me and its cost me over 300 quid, 350 to be more exact. im ready to stop all this now and just smoke tabs on nights out.. i thought i had a chance with vaping but it seems as if someone somewhere doesnt want me doing it. can anyone suggest anything before i totally give up and accept the fact ive wasted 350 quid. honestly its not me. ive done everything possible to try and sort it out, clearing out my attys, building my own coils, using the correct wattage i could go on for days with what ive tried. very unhappy at the moment.

No you are not doing anything 'wrong'.

I suggest an rda for you.
rda is cheap; its open; everything is in front of you; you have to do the work yourself.
Use a decent regulated mod.
The business end of vaping is on the top so spend your thoughts on that.
Stay over half an ohm; over an ohm would be more comfortable.

Try some 28 gauge kanthal, 1 ohm, single coil, 10 watts; use steam-engine.org coil calculator. 2mm diameter.

 

[VaporDaze]

Hey man, send all your tanks that spit to me and I'll test them out for you! Just messing! Glad people here could talk you out of giving up and glad you found something that works for you!