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TheEmperorOfIceCream

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The moderators should stop participating in discussions. I value anybody's opinion, and most of the mods are articulate and passionate, but the way things are now I don't feel confident of exchanging robust views with them. Maybe drop out for now apart from modding.

Emp

EDIT: Apart from threads like this, of course...
 

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I don't mind MODs being in threads. But geez don't stay in a thread saying its ok what is being discussed then ANOTHER mod close it.
indeed..that confused the heck out of me ...but i retired for the evening whilst the discussion was in progress. Ofcourse now it's been deleted I don't even know why it was closed. well all i know is it got a bit exciting in there ;)
 
Hello all,

I have not spoken with spikey as of "the ban". I saw her yesterday morning because we had a meeting with the honorable legislator Browning here in Long Island. I have an idea of what happened, but Is this banning necessary? She is leading our cause locally and quite an influence here on the forum. There are bigger things happening here than this forum. In my other thread about the Long Island ban of the electronic cigarette's I have asked for some explanation sent to me in a PM and have not received one, so I am still a little out of the loop...
What I do know is that this forum is a platform for people to connect and it is sad to see how disconnected we have become. Yes there seems to be a lot of bickering going on, yes there seems to be some kind of power struggle happening, but does a ban need to be a full ban? Is there such a thing as a soft ban? to allow people to access certain area's? I mean, s^%t is going down in the "real world" and we do need to get a message out and gather support for our cause. My interests in ecigs are not as a supplier, my interests are in keeping the ecig alive as a user. I have seen so much taken away in my life because of big tobacco and we really do need to unite. I don't only do this for myself but for future generations, my children, your children and our children's children (and thats a lot of children...). I imagine that all of us have been affected by tobacco or we would not be on this forum.
I really wish we can all put aside the little things that happen here and combine our energy into a positive and get our tushie's into gear and fight the battle we are in together...Let's just get this thing on already and get it over with. There are lives to be saved and futures to be altered. Our path on this planet (Earth) are not pre determined and we can change the future, but this bickering and nonsense is exactly what those in power expect and rely on... It is our weakness, our flaw, and our ultimate doom as a civilization. We are being manipulated and controlled, by the media, the "illuminati" and the people in power and we are falling right into their trap.
We are all adults here and we need to work out whatever silly little problems we may have. THERE IS A BIGGER CAUSE, AND A MUCH BIGGER THREAT TO US ALL.
So the ultimate logical conclusion is for everyone to get their S%^t together and lets proceed with a right and just cause!!!

I am done with my rant....

Peace and Love to all,
for the sake of humanity....
 
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hanover fist

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SUPAMODERETA this is no longer an open forum?



It never was.

This forum is owned and operated by SJ. He makes the rules, we enforce them.

I would expect you to know the difference.

One of the problems is that the forum ran, unchecked, for a very long time. People got used to chaos and anarchy, all the while screaming that more moderation was needed.

Now there IS more moderation (yet NOTABLY less than at some OTHER forums I frequent) and people are complaining that there's moderation.

Again, though, the key is for everyone to handle their complaints, objections and suggestions in a reasonable manner. This thread is a PRIME example. A questions was asked, it's been answered and, thus far, everyone is being reasonable, calm, collected and adult about things. If everyone remains that way, this thread will NOT be locked, people will NOT be banned and we can all carry on. If people start with the sideways comments, the cries of "fascist" and the shenanigans again, though, it WILL be locked and then there'll be even MORE calamity.

And keep this in mind...This isn't any fun for us. We don't WANT to close threads. We don't WANT to ban people. We don't WANT to have to get involved. If people make us, though, we will.


Hi all

In today’s world of IM Text messaging emails and FORUMS using all caps and bold text is like yelling at someone. With all the new moderators in this forum it seems to be a little heavy handed for my taste, long time members being banned people being reprimanded for sexual innuendo in a members only sub forum and so on.

Now I remember why I live in the country and not in a homeowners association.
I don’t need someone telling me HOW LONG I SHOULD GROW MY GRASS!

Anyway I would like to think all of you for the wonderful info I have received on this forum in the pass few months.
A special thanks goes out to
Tropicalbob
Kate
Leaford
And many others for all your informative info

Signing off
Robert--------------------------------------------------------------
 

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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Delay is preferable to error.

Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism.

I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master.

I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society.
Thomas Jefferson
 

TheEmperorOfIceCream

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SUPAMODERETA this is no longer an open forum?






Hi all

In today’s world of IM Text messaging emails and FORUMS using all caps and bold text is like yelling at someone. With all the new moderators in this forum it seems to be a little heavy handed for my taste, long time members being banned people being reprimanded for sexual innuendo in a members only sub forum and so on.

Now I remember why I live in the country and not in a homeowners association.
I don’t need someone telling me HOW LONG I SHOULD GROW MY GRASS!

Anyway I would like to think all of you for the wonderful info I have received on this forum in the pass few months.
A special thanks goes out to
Tropicalbob
Kate
Leaford
And many others for all your informative info

Signing off
Robert--------------------------------------------------------------


You're nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm! Hanging's too good for ya! Burning's too good for ya! You should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

But hey - stick around...

Emp
 

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TheEmperorOfIceCream

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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Delay is preferable to error.

Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism.

I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master.

I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society.
Thomas Jefferson

I'm trying not to do this. One detects a soupcon of bathos...
 

surbitonPete

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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Delay is preferable to error.

Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism.

I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master.

I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society.
Thomas Jefferson

An incredible speech.....I would have loved to have known that guy.
 
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