stacked 18350's vs 18650

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Okay so, I use a vamo v2 ss with a single efest 18650. Now, Ive been thinking about trying out stacking some 18350's. Would they give me better vape time over a single 18650? As all I want is the most vape time. I dont go over 8-9watts so I dont really need the extra amp/volts/watts that stacking batteries gives for sub ohm atties or whatever, read someone about people pushing 20 watts, not me.

So yeah, any better for vape time/charge? Sorry about the rambling, im over tired lol.
 
Yeah thats what I was thinking. With an 18650, the voltage is boosted up. But stacking 18350's, its regulated and reduced. I was thinking because it is reduced, maybe the charge would last longer, even though they have less mah over all. Maybe they could give me my 4.2-4.7 average volts for longer then an 18650 getting boosted up from 3.7 volts.

Bloody hell electricity and batteries are all so confusing. I never understood it all in high school.
 

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I'm not sure, but when you stack 2 18350's, they will generate the same mAh as one of them (800 mAh vs 1600), but with double the volt (ie 8.4 instead of 4.2). I don't know what this does to vape time though, because the 8.4 gets regulated down to a more useable voltage.

higher voltage from the source = higher wattage capable at the ouput. It does not increase mah over the rating of the 2 batts combined. So 2 18350 imr stacked is 1400mah, but you can get 2000mah from a single 18650. So the ONLY reason to stack is when you want to vape at something silly like 15W =)
 

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Watch this review Vamo Full Review with Charts

It goes through and explains a lot about the power output of the Vamo, but it also has some charts to show how a single 18650 performs when compared to stacked 18350s. The source of the difference is the voltage output; 3.2V to 4.2 volts for a 18650, 6.4V to 8.4V for stacked 350. A single battery struggles when you high really high voltage and/or wattage levels because its boosting the hell out of that thing to get up there... The stacked batteries have no such issues since the voltage does not need to be boosted.

As far as charge goes, stacked probably won't match or beat a 650. The highest 350 I've seen is what, 800mah? So stacked there is a 1600 mah charge in there. My 18650 is 2250... I am not sure what current draw difference between a 18650 being boosted to 5V and stacked at the same voltage, but I don't think it would be enough to make up the 650 mah difference.

But don't listen to me.. I am not an electrical engineer. But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 

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The 'blurb' for the Vamo states it can use single or stacked-it would be a massive risk to the producers to say this if they weren't ok with the physics side of it, as stated the electronics will boost power if it needs to, stacked batts already have that Ooomph behind them, I have no issues with stacking, I have a 2 year old eGo V6 (again designed for stacking) which is in daily use, I use 'safe chemistry' IMR's though-
 

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I think that's the thing. Stacking requires a more maintenance than single batteries... With single batteries, especially on a protected device, you don't really have to worry about too much.

I mean, if you aren't supposed to run stacked batteries in a device, then why are they designed to function with them? It's like they say "You should not use stacked batteries on this APV.*wink* *wink* *nudge* nudge*" and they turn around and make sure the boards account for the doubled voltage. New users will see the warning and not bother trying... And they won't kiss the donkey because they screwed up and paired a fully charged with a dead one... but vaping veterans go "F that... display says 8.2v and I got my kit squared away. Lock and load!"
 

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I'm not sure, but when you stack 2 18350's, they will generate the same mAh as one of them (800 mAh vs 1600), but with double the volt (ie 8.4 instead of 4.2). I don't know what this does to vape time though, because the 8.4 gets regulated down to a more useable voltage.

I remember back when I was into hobby grade rc cars, and the standard battery packs were 6 cells. There were several 7-cell packs that gave you a bit of a power boost, and there was always an argument over whether 7 cell packs lasted longer or shorter than 6 cell packs. I remember there were quite long discussions, people using a fixed drain to test runtimes for 6 and 7 cell packs, that sort of thing.

The consensus was that more cells do not increase runtime. The simple difference between series and parallel would support this. If you have stacked 18350s, you are getting roughly 8.4 volts when fresh off the charger. If you run them in parallel you double the capacity. It would violate some laws I'm sure if stacking batteries doubled the voltage AND the capacity. Parallel only doubles the capacity, series isn't some magical setup that allows you to double your capacity AND voltage.

So I'm pretty sure your right, stacking batteries does not increase capacity. Although like you said, the regulation of a pv could possibly effect actual useable vape time with the batteries. An 18650 getting boosted could be different than stacked 350s being regulated down. Another thing to think of is voltage drop. When a single battery starts getting around 3.4v or so most of the cheaper devices have trouble boosting them well. You might notice this as a drop in power, and charge your batteries up earlier. Where as with dual 350s, the voltage doesn't need to be boosted, and stacked 350s totally drained still give more than enough power to supply your vaping needs, meaning you can take each cell down to a lower voltage before needing to recharge, which effectively increases your capacity.

So stacked 800mAh 350s do not actually give you 1600mah. But it's likely that stacked 18350s could last longer than a single 350 in useable vape time. So stacked 350s could give you more usable vape time than their single mAh rating would suggest, but still nowhere near double their rated capacity.
 

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On a side note, can one stack 18650's? Hahahah

Yep... several have too. Functionally speaking, it's no different really than stacking 18350s, just more capacity. It's really not that hard to do, but you need to get your hands on some extra tubes to pull it off. Silly looking things.

Though, I think I saw a mod recently.. someone modified a Vamo I think to have the batteries stacked side by side, rather than lengthwise... That'd give you the 'best' of both worlds... the increased voltage of a stacked battery, but with the increased capacity of 18650 batteries. It certainly wouldn't be the lightest of mods though.
 
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