I had a long winded discussion with myself about this and finally decided against it.
As with everything else in vaping, there is NO GOOD OR BAD WAY, just YOUR way!
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So true.Here is the deal. All I've seen for nic juice is 100/0, 50/50, 0/100. So I don't think you will be able to get it at say 70/30 , 60/40. You will then need to mix it for your desired PG/VG. So you should by two nic juices. One 100/0 and another at 0/100 both at the same nic level(mg). That way you can get to whatever PG/VG you want.
That is why I started asking you questions.
Wow, I'm seeing prices all over the map for 6mg unflavored nic juice, 80/20 to 70/30 ranging from $10/250ml to $60/250ml. Surely I'm not comparing apples and apples? Zebras and goats?
From what I have read. It all could be different depending on the VG pg and nic they use.
I didn't even see that. If I had, I might've gone that route this time around (but would've had to play a little bit with the nic/PG/VG thing). Then only premixed flavorless I could find was ecblend ($58 for 250 ml) and vapor renu ($40 for 8 ounces). Yeah, I heard FlavourArt is super concentrated, so it's a make or break thing with single drops in that small a quantity.
Here's the link, Trainguy: eCigExpress Flavorless Liquid ...in case you had trouble finding it.
Update to supply list: a funnel and a bigger bottle with a stopper to premix the base in (unless you wanna play scientist every time).My stuff just came and I'm scrounging a little bit right now...
Yeah I think I want a little more vg in my liquid. I started to feel differently towards the liquid vendors. It is always different.
This thread is getting pretty confusing. So if I may be so bold, how about we use a common language.
Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) = nic + PG + VG ( 100/0, 50/50, 0100 ) which comes unflavored in varying strengths (mg) and sizes.
premixed = nic + PG + VG + flavor. Generally 80/20 or 20/80 for the most part. i.e. RY4, Desert Joe, etc.
Juice Base Liquid = a base for flavoring that you have made to your desired PG/VG and strength (mg) in sizes you make ( 30,60,120ml etc.). Making note that when you add flavor you alter the PG ratio.
flavor concentrates = flavors that contain NO nic but can have either PG or VG as their diluting agent from vendors like TFA, FA, etc.
Following some of the previous links :
Flavorless eLiquid - ECBlend aka juice base liquid
Yes you can pick PG/VG/mg at 0, 6,18,24,36mg and PG/VG's of reduced PG, whatever that is, 40/60, 50/50, 60/40.70/30,80/20 and 100/0 and pay $ 58 for 250ml.
e juice
Has a wide range of options( 10/90 - 90/10, 0, 6,18,24,36mg,TH, nic, Menthol, etc. for $ 40 for 236ml. This one would probably be the best for your "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" but now how do you get 3mg nic if you want? Buy two ( same size ) and combine. One 0mg + one 6mg = 3mg.
Shopping for Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) is a trip all its own. Prices vary and everyone has their own sources. In my experience xxx has the best prices! Not getting into that battle. But, I got :
More than enough to mix to my hearts content!
Subtotal: $62.85
Shipping: $5.95
Tax: $4.56
Grand Total: $73.36
USP Grade Vegetable Glycerin
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
USP Grade Propylene Glycol
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
UnFlavored Nicotine Smoke Juice E-Liquid
(Size: 250ml, Strength: 60mg, PG/VG Mix: 50% VG) $28.95
Now we are having two main discussions. To "mix" using the ejuice calculator or to "blend" meaning create ( or buy ) your own juice base liquid and just add flavor concentrates.
The other that we haven't really discussed much, combining " premixed " like RY4, Desert Joe for our desired PG/VG. These are mostly available in 80/20 and 20/80 which makes it easy to combine for your desired PG/VG as long as you get them both in the same strength(mg). Of course you could get one at say 24mg and one at 12mg and using equal parts wind up with 18mg at 50/50. If you were to mix different quantities of different strength you would have some other nic strength that is above my math pay grade.
I've had it with the "mix" method ( long story mentioned earlier) and am moving to the "blend" method. This gives me complete control of PG/VG and mg's. I'm willing to live with the altered PG ratio because I can come up with non standard PG/VG 's like 65/35 if I find that is what I need.
If you buy a "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" you are pretty much restrained to their PG/VG & mg's. Unless you start mixing their blends which kind of defeats the purpose.
Now, let the volleys begin
EDIT: Didn't mean to get so long winded!
Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) = nic + PG + VG ( 100/0, 50/50, 0100 ) which comes unflavored in varying strengths (mg) and sizes.
premixed = nic + PG + VG + flavor. Generally 80/20 or 20/80 for the most part. i.e. RY4, Desert Joe, etc.
Juice Base Liquid = a base for flavoring that you have made to your desired PG/VG and strength (mg) in sizes you make ( 30,60,120ml etc.). Making note that when you add flavor you alter the PG ratio.
flavor concentrates = flavors that contain NO nic but can have either PG or VG as their diluting agent from vendors like TFA, FA, etc.
Following some of the previous links :
Flavorless eLiquid - ECBlend aka juice base liquid
Yes you can pick PG/VG/mg at 0, 6,18,24,36mg and PG/VG's of reduced PG, whatever that is, 40/60, 50/50, 60/40.70/30,80/20 and 100/0 and pay $ 58 for 250ml.
e juice
Has a wide range of options( 10/90 - 90/10, 0, 6,18,24,36mg,TH, nic, Menthol, etc. for $ 40 for 236ml. This one would probably be the best for your "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" but now how do you get 3mg nic if you want? Buy two ( same size ) and combine. One 0mg + one 6mg = 3mg.
Shopping for Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) is a trip all its own. Prices vary and everyone has their own sources. In my experience xxx has the best prices! Not getting into that battle. But, I got :
More than enough to mix to my hearts content!
Subtotal: $62.85
Shipping: $5.95
Tax: $4.56
Grand Total: $73.36
USP Grade Vegetable Glycerin
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
USP Grade Propylene Glycol
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
UnFlavored Nicotine Smoke Juice E-Liquid
(Size: 250ml, Strength: 60mg, PG/VG Mix: 50% VG) $28.95
Now we are having two main discussions. To "mix" using the ejuice calculator or to "blend" meaning create ( or buy ) your own juice base liquid and just add flavor concentrates.
The other that we haven't really discussed much, combining " premixed " like RY4, Desert Joe for our desired PG/VG. These are mostly available in 80/20 and 20/80 which makes it easy to combine for your desired PG/VG as long as you get them both in the same strength(mg). Of course you could get one at say 24mg and one at 12mg and using equal parts wind up with 18mg at 50/50. If you were to mix different quantities of different strength you would have some other nic strength that is above my math pay grade.
I've had it with the "mix" method ( long story mentioned earlier) and am moving to the "blend" method. This gives me complete control of PG/VG and mg's. I'm willing to live with the altered PG ratio because I can come up with non standard PG/VG 's like 65/35 if I find that is what I need.
If you buy a "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" you are pretty much restrained to their PG/VG & mg's. Unless you start mixing their blends which kind of defeats the purpose.
Now, let the volleys begin
EDIT: Didn't mean to get so long winded!
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This thread is getting pretty confusing. So if I may be so bold, how about we use a common language.
Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) = nic + PG + VG ( 100/0, 50/50, 0100 ) which comes unflavored in varying strengths (mg) and sizes.
premixed = nic + PG + VG + flavor. Generally 80/20 or 20/80 for the most part. i.e. RY4, Desert Joe, etc.
Juice Base Liquid = a base for flavoring that you have made to your desired PG/VG and strength (mg) in sizes you make ( 30,60,120ml etc.). Making note that when you add flavor you alter the PG ratio.
flavor concentrates = flavors that contain NO nic but can have either PG or VG as their diluting agent from vendors like TFA, FA, etc.
Following some of the previous links :
Flavorless eLiquid - ECBlend aka juice base liquid
Yes you can pick PG/VG/mg at 0, 6,18,24,36mg and PG/VG's of reduced PG, whatever that is, 40/60, 50/50, 60/40.70/30,80/20 and 100/0 and pay $ 58 for 250ml.
e juice
Has a wide range of options( 10/90 - 90/10, 0, 6,18,24,36mg,TH, nic, Menthol, etc. for $ 40 for 236ml. This one would probably be the best for your "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" but now how do you get 3mg nic if you want? Buy two ( same size ) and combine. One 0mg + one 6mg = 3mg.
Shopping for Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) is a trip all its own. Prices vary and everyone has their own sources. In my experience xxx has the best prices! Not getting into that battle. But, I got :
More than enough to mix to my hearts content!
Subtotal: $62.85
Shipping: $5.95
Tax: $4.56
Grand Total: $73.36
USP Grade Vegetable Glycerin
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
USP Grade Propylene Glycol
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
UnFlavored Nicotine Smoke Juice E-Liquid
(Size: 250ml, Strength: 60mg, PG/VG Mix: 50% VG) $28.95
Now we are having two main discussions. To "mix" using the ejuice calculator or to "blend" meaning create ( or buy ) your own juice base liquid and just add flavor concentrates.
The other that we haven't really discussed much, combining " premixed " like RY4, Desert Joe for our desired PG/VG. These are mostly available in 80/20 and 20/80 which makes it easy to combine for your desired PG/VG as long as you get them both in the same strength(mg). Of course you could get one at say 24mg and one at 12mg and using equal parts wind up with 18mg at 50/50. If you were to mix different quantities of different strength you would have some other nic strength that is above my math pay grade.
I've had it with the "mix" method ( long story mentioned earlier) and am moving to the "blend" method. This gives me complete control of PG/VG and mg's. I'm willing to live with the altered PG ratio because I can come up with non standard PG/VG 's like 65/35 if I find that is what I need.
If you buy a "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" you are pretty much restrained to their PG/VG & mg's. Unless you start mixing their blends which kind of defeats the purpose.
Now, let the volleys begin
EDIT: Didn't mean to get so long winded!
I suck at badminton.
Sorry was my fault. Outside of my job I am not very technical. Will try to be more so. I wont have much time for experimenting for a couple weeks.
All information is good.
I suck at badminton.
Sorry was my fault. Outside of my job I am not very technical. Will try to be more so. I wont have much time for experimenting for a couple weeks.
All information is good.
Cool, but, was NOT aimed at you or anybody else for that matter. Just general observation.
This thread is getting pretty confusing. So if I may be so bold, how about we use a common language.
Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) = nic + PG + VG ( 100/0, 50/50, 0100 ) which comes unflavored in varying strengths (mg) and sizes.
premixed = nic + PG + VG + flavor. Generally 80/20 or 20/80 for the most part. i.e. RY4, Desert Joe, etc.
Juice Base Liquid = a base for flavoring that you have made to your desired PG/VG and strength (mg) in sizes you make ( 30,60,120ml etc.). Making note that when you add flavor you alter the PG ratio.
flavor concentrates = flavors that contain NO nic but can have either PG or VG as their diluting agent from vendors like TFA, FA, etc.
Following some of the previous links :
Flavorless eLiquid - ECBlend aka juice base liquid
Yes you can pick PG/VG/mg at 0, 6,18,24,36mg and PG/VG's of reduced PG, whatever that is, 40/60, 50/50, 60/40.70/30,80/20 and 100/0 and pay $ 58 for 250ml.
e juice
Has a wide range of options( 10/90 - 90/10, 0, 6,18,24,36mg,TH, nic, Menthol, etc. for $ 40 for 236ml. This one would probably be the best for your "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" but now how do you get 3mg nic if you want? Buy two ( same size ) and combine. One 0mg + one 6mg = 3mg.
Shopping for Nicotine Base Liquid (ejuice) is a trip all its own. Prices vary and everyone has their own sources. In my experience xxx has the best prices! Not getting into that battle. But, I got :
More than enough to mix to my hearts content!
Subtotal: $62.85
Shipping: $5.95
Tax: $4.56
Grand Total: $73.36
USP Grade Vegetable Glycerin
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
USP Grade Propylene Glycol
(Size: 500ml) $16.95
UnFlavored Nicotine Smoke Juice E-Liquid
(Size: 250ml, Strength: 60mg, PG/VG Mix: 50% VG) $28.95
Now we are having two main discussions. To "mix" using the ejuice calculator or to "blend" meaning create ( or buy ) your own juice base liquid and just add flavor concentrates.
The other that we haven't really discussed much, combining " premixed " like RY4, Desert Joe for our desired PG/VG. These are mostly available in 80/20 and 20/80 which makes it easy to combine for your desired PG/VG as long as you get them both in the same strength(mg). Of course you could get one at say 24mg and one at 12mg and using equal parts wind up with 18mg at 50/50. If you were to mix different quantities of different strength you would have some other nic strength that is above my math pay grade.
I've had it with the "mix" method ( long story mentioned earlier) and am moving to the "blend" method. This gives me complete control of PG/VG and mg's. I'm willing to live with the altered PG ratio because I can come up with non standard PG/VG 's like 65/35 if I find that is what I need.
If you buy a "store bought" " Juice Base Liquid" you are pretty much restrained to their PG/VG & mg's. Unless you start mixing their blends which kind of defeats the purpose.
Now, let the volleys begin
EDIT: Didn't mean to get so long winded!
I was merely pointing out that using ejuice calculators are great for figuring out your nic/PG/VG mix for base because it allows you to account for flavorings, even though you don't plan to add them in yet. For instance, if you wanted to come out with 430 ml of 6mg in 80/20 and plan to add 15% flavoring in 100% PG, you could input all of that and it would calculate how much of each (nic, PG, VG) you would need to add, to make that 430ml base. Then when you get around to mixing and add in your flavoring, you would end up with the nic and ratios that you were going for. You lost me with "mix" and "blend." "Premixed" as a noun to me means premixed ready-to-vape eliquid with flavors already included. When I referred to dumping all of my base ingredients into one big bottle, I guess I should've used "pre-combine" instead of "pre-mix" (used as a verb).
But since I know I'm gonna get the terminology wrong, good luck, and happy mixing/blending everybody!
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Just a quick comment on the ratio being affected by adding flavors. If a calculator like ScubaDans is used to create the base, PG+VG+nicotine, the required amount of flavor hasn't been added. I have found that allowing a 10% factor for flavor seems to work with flavors I have been using , and while it does drive the amount of PG/VG/nicotine for the base, I don't think that there is much variation after adding flavors, even at amounts slightly higher or lower than ten percent. I'm working with some stronger flavors at the moment, one to five percent levels, and there isn't any difference in the finished product that I can taste although maybe vapor output is a tad higher. Then again my tastebuds could be shot at my age!
Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.
Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.
awsum/Roland
what percentage of ry4 are you using in 30 mils ?
i have been using 20% in 30 mils. 6 mils in 30 mils.
i just can't get it right,,,i go up,,i go down,,,but just can't get it right.
Ok keeping it really really simple, would this work?
I can buy 250ml of 12mg nic unflavored 100%PG for $13.49 here:
http://www.ecigexpress.com/e-liquid...flavored-e-liquid-nicotine-select-size-p-1479
Along with 120ml of 12mg nic unflavored 100% VG for $6.49 (same page as link above).
So, mixing them together, I have 370 ml of basically 70/30 ish PG/VG that I could just pour out as needed into small bottles and add flavor concentrates....right? Or am I missing something.
My tastes are fairly simple, other than RY4 I get from SI, mostly red hot cinnamon, and fruit / ice flavors from Vapedudes.
Although I know it's not the cheapest route, kinda like the idea of it being very simple.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Mark
I can buy 250ml of 12mg nic unflavored 100%PG for $13.49 here:
http://www.ecigexpress.com/e-liquid...flavored-e-liquid-nicotine-select-size-p-1479
Along with 120ml of 12mg nic unflavored 100% VG for $6.49 (same page as link above).
So, mixing them together, I have 370 ml of basically 70/30 ish PG/VG that I could just pour out as needed into small bottles and add flavor concentrates....right? Or am I missing something.
My tastes are fairly simple, other than RY4 I get from SI, mostly red hot cinnamon, and fruit / ice flavors from Vapedudes.
Although I know it's not the cheapest route, kinda like the idea of it being very simple.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Mark
120 total vg divided by 370 total volume is .3243 vg subtract from 1 for pg. Adding flavors will diminish slightly depending on how much used.
KISS method i am a huge fan of.
I have come to a conclusion my taste buds are just whacked.
I should add pick up some sweetner too. One thing i wish i would have grabbed. There is cotton candy, sulacrose and marshmellow. I can't decide which to try.
The cheapest route is cutting you own high nic. Which can be dangerous. I decided against it because i have 2 girls a cat and 2 dogs. One of the dogs has already ate 2 separate times 20 to 30 bars of chocolate. At 500 dollars a pop at the vet I can't afford any more pet visits. The cat on the other hand has a trust fund... hahaha
KISS method i am a huge fan of.
I have come to a conclusion my taste buds are just whacked.
I should add pick up some sweetner too. One thing i wish i would have grabbed. There is cotton candy, sulacrose and marshmellow. I can't decide which to try.
The cheapest route is cutting you own high nic. Which can be dangerous. I decided against it because i have 2 girls a cat and 2 dogs. One of the dogs has already ate 2 separate times 20 to 30 bars of chocolate. At 500 dollars a pop at the vet I can't afford any more pet visits. The cat on the other hand has a trust fund... hahaha
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I have been using 2 % ry4 flavorart and 2 % vanilla same co. Flavorings. If i go any higher i get sick from it. I call it ry4v. I love naming my flavors.
blue I love ry4 and I have an addiction to anything vanilla... that sounds yummy lol
sorry been away everyone I'm reading up on it all now been filling out paperwork start the new job on monday
sorry been away everyone I'm reading up on it all now been filling out paperwork start the new job on monday
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So 2% + 2% = 4% Total. For say 30 ml you would add 28.8 ml juice base liquid.
edit : DOES NOT Account for flavoring IN FINAL pg/vg RATIO. sooo, removed image I had posted.
Open mouth, insert foot!
But I thought I'd share this:
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I may give that a shot, I like vanilla too but it has to be just a hint. Right now I'm fooling with a tobacco that I'm going to mix with a Marlboro flavor to try to "improve" on that one. Ahhh, being the mad scientist is fun!
well last nite i tried your 2% and 2% but could not taste it,,i just made 6 mils,,,,i doubled that and still can't taste it,,so i tripled it and i still can't taste it.
i guess i should lick a sheet of sand paper to see if i can taste at all..LOL
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