Statement from Totally Wicked

[oldsoldier]

Thank you. But I'm completely fazed as to why you would think it a bit snarky. I think I'm being civil, inquisitive but civil.

The shortness of the reply and content set off my "spidey sense" on that one. Rather than let this useful thread go in a direction that would warrant closure I stepped in and attempted to put it back on track. Perhaps my attempt at humour with the "enquiring mods want to know" failed in cross pond translation or age gap (it was a play on words from a tabloid magazine advert)

I think all of this is relevant and many of my questions remain unanswered. I have a few more.

By all means carry on.

I do politely suggest you take down the lawyers letter though. Clearly states on TW's website about copyright and ownership of all materials published. Just saying you don't want to go there

We'll take that under advisement, though the letter states that posting it or its contents would be part of the acceptable resolution. That is a call for Rolygate or SmokeyJoe to make and I'll confer with them. It may very well be the most prudent course of action to remove it

Oldsoldier - I know you are a forum manager. But you sure jumped on me pretty quick. I've checked all my posts and I don't see any that are disruptive. Chill Fella

Now that we've cleared the air I do apologize if you felt singled out. That was not the intent. But it is "my job".

Cheers!

 

[ableton]

The letter itself contains an explicit condition it be published as a true copy on a public website (UKV's). How can copyright or ownership rights possibly be asserted over it, under the circumstances, by simply posting a copy of it here as well?

Because of this:

our company and our suppliers own the copyright, trademarks and all other intellectual property rights in all material and content on this website, which you may use, download and copy only for your own personal, non-commercial use. Any other use or reproduction of the material or content is strictly prohibited. You may not create any link to this website without our prior written consent, nor may you restrict or inhibit the use or enjoyment of it by anyone else.

The explicit condition to which you refer is restricted to UKV.

Just saying. Personally I don't give a .....

 

[Papa Lazarou]

It's not on TW's website.

 

[anorth_uk]

It's not on TW's website.

what isn't on TW's website?

 

[fuzzione]

Because of this:

our company and our suppliers own the copyright, trademarks and all other intellectual property rights in all material and content on this website, which you may use, download and copy only for your own personal, non-commercial use. Any other use or reproduction of the material or content is strictly prohibited. You may not create any link to this website without our prior written consent, nor may you restrict or inhibit the use or enjoyment of it by anyone else.

The explicit condition to which you refer is restricted to UKV.

Just saying. Personally I don't give a .....

A lawyer's letter is not the subject of copyright protection. Nor is it intellectual property or a trademark.
Just sayin

 

[Theken]

Don't go there. You fail to understand what freedom of speech is, and it actually does not apply on internet forums. Much like it would not apply in my house or your house. The first amendment protects you from the GOVERNMENT.

Agreed oldsoldier, people always seem to think that gives them the right to misbehave. Freedom of speech is nothing more than the right to express one's opinion via speech. No where in the world is this right absolute and is ALWAYS subject to limitations. I have no problem with TW removing negative comments from their forums or their site, just as any of us would if we found obscenities scribbled on the wall of our house. My issue is with how they behave and treat customers and honestly there is nothing that any of us can do, but our wallets can do more damage that any amount of talking.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

what isn't on TW's website?

Sorry, bit brief there. The letter ableton refers to is not content from TW's website. It's hosted on Photobucket and can be found by anyone.

 

[fuzzione]

I hope the letter can stay here for all to view. It may interest those who wish to know of TW's further activities directed toward UKV. The letter now seeks to expand UKV's purported responsibilities beyond TW and to now include other "...vendors, members, visitors..." What business is it of TW's how UKV deal with their non-TW related parties?

 

[ableton]

Sorry, bit brief there. The letter ableton refers to is not content from TW's website. It's hosted on Photobucket and can be found by anyone.

My apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

If its been posted by TW on to Photobucket then it's in the public domain.

I stand corrected sir.

 

[ableton]

Sorry, bit brief there. The letter ableton refers to is not content from TW's website. It's hosted on Photobucket and can be found by anyone.

Interesting. It is up on TW's forum I just checked. Did TW post it to Photobucket? Can you post a link to the file on Photobucket?

My guess is that TW do want it in the public domain - however I would not totally subscribe to that given recent events.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Sure, the Photobucket account is in the name of Astrecks - http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Astrecks/Ecigs/Farley3.jpg

 

[ableton]

Sure, the Photobucket account is in the name of Astrecks - http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Astrecks/Ecigs/Farley3.jpg

Youre right. Again.

And Astrecks is a TW forum admin guy or something.

Ding dong. It fits. Not only does it uncover some obvious desperation it also reveals a really bad business move.

Never show your hand.

I wish TW well in their damage recovery. Sincerely.

But more I hope that UKV re-opens real soon.

Perhaps something good will come out of this sad mess.

 

[CommaHolly]

Why? They are not asking for forgiveness. They are clearly spelling it out. Put all the name calling and irrational comments aside for a moment and look at it. Whether we like it or not, whatever side we take, UKV can live without TW. I really don't see what the problem is. Hurt feelings? Pride? It's all BS and we should really get on with business as usual.

We all moan about free speech and our right to reply. Try living in China, Burma or Syria. Then you'd have a point.

Much more important injustices going on around the planet without this nonsense

Why? Because many people will no longer buy their products because of the way a business person, a CEO in fact, behaved in a public forum. I'm not denying that he has free speech,,,,,,,but free speech has consequences,,,,,,,losing a valuable customer base is his consequences. He might have had a chance if he'd apologized for the way he acted,,,,,,but no one will forgive him at this point. I realize he didn't ask,,,,,,,,but IMHO, he should have.

 

[ray1264]

Does Totally Wicked do business in the States? If they do is it the same name? I want to ensure I never put a penny in their pockets.

 

[anorth_uk]

Does Totally Wicked do business in the States? If they do is it the same name? I want to ensure I never put a penny in their pockets.

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[ray1264]

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Many thanks!

 

[Toby]

Just thought I should post some some dialogue (as requested earlier in this thread) before bed -

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...60+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

Call me naive (and I know I can be in some respects), but I would have thought "our" industry refers to an industry we are all part of, whether consumer or retailer (or both).. and I think that is something to be proud of... (cos e-cigs are so great!)

Toby>>> don't Tar me with yours or any others brush.

Not mine or your industry.. Might be mine, might be yours but. Not ours. May be to you. To me nope. I stand alone. Best way to be...Cuts out the BS.

I think it was prolly just wishful thinking.. a sense of pride of what "we" are doing...

 

[Stop Smoking]

One must only look to the words of sentient beings that have come and gone, but left their ideas upon the pattern of the cognitive scema of humankind.
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history
Capital as such is not evil; it is its wrong use that is evil. Capital in some form or other will always be needed.
I suppose leadership at one time meant muscles; but today it means getting along with people.
-Gandhi

 

[Theken]

Forgive me for my lack of complete understanding of laws within the UK but wouldn't an easy solution to this would be to have the site hosted in Norway or Sweden. Their laws seem to be more protective of webmasters and depositories of information and matters of opinions.

 

[anorth_uk]

Forgive me for my lack of complete understanding of laws within the UK but wouldn't an easy solution to this would be to have the site hosted in Norway or Sweden. Their laws seem to be more protective of webmasters and depositories of information and matters of opinions.

Wouldn't work, if a British person writes something about another British person or product and it can be read by another British person the lawyers are allowed to make big bucks dragging your ... through UK courts