I read a thread about how you stealth vape. I guess I don't really know all the laws, but aren't these legal? Doesn't trying to be sneaky about it make it look like your doing something wrong? I thought the point was that these could go anywhere. Or are there places where these are outlawed as well? And if they are illegal some places, why not have the same respect for these establishments that smokers must have and that is to not try to sneak, but to just follow the rules.
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It isn't that it's illegal, but rather that people will think you are smoking and it isn't worth the hassle. I'm not one that likes to draw a bunch of attention to myself and I really don't want to have to explain to a smoking nazi that I'm not smoking. There are some places where they've been lumped in with the smoking bans, New york I think, and in those places I wouldn't stealth vape.
I have stealth vaped in stores, in airports, on airplanes, and in a hospital. If I were making a big production of it and blowing out plumes of vapor, I wouldn't have been able to do that. I spent about 10 hours in the hospital and about six hours in the airport. I can assure you, I did not want to have to leave the hospital campus and hike to the designated smoking spot to vape. I also didn't want to have to go back through security at the airport in order to go outside to vape. So, I just did it discreetly and no one knew. Worked for me.
I have stealth vaped in stores, in airports, on airplanes, and in a hospital. If I were making a big production of it and blowing out plumes of vapor, I wouldn't have been able to do that. I spent about 10 hours in the hospital and about six hours in the airport. I can assure you, I did not want to have to leave the hospital campus and hike to the designated smoking spot to vape. I also didn't want to have to go back through security at the airport in order to go outside to vape. So, I just did it discreetly and no one knew. Worked for me.
Technically, they are legal in many places, the only exceptions being a few states that have included vaping in anti-smoking laws. Vaping is also prohibited in specific situations such as travelling on most airlines. In practice, however, vaping in public can rouse a negative reaction, even where it is not prohibited. Vape somewhere that smoking is prohibited and a large plume of vapor would likely get you nasty looks and possibly even kicked out, not to mention drawing negative attention to vaping in general. Vaping at work might get you fired. You would not be exhaling any dangerous carcinogens that would affect anyone else, but making that point in a room full of rabid anti-smokers could be difficult. In the end, it is sometimes easier and wiser to stealth vape. When it comes to the anti-smokers, what they don't know won't hurt them.
Two points to consider: Perception is reality. If you ACT like you are doing something wrong, then you will be percevied as doing something wrong and vaping will and should be banned. And if you are not willing to take the time and effort to respectfully educate the uninformed about vaping, then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
That being said, if the owner of an establishment, after a respectful explanation would rather you not vape in his/her establishment, then don't make a fuss, but respect their wishes and thank them for taking the time to listen to your points. And then change your spending habits towards more enlightened establishments.
That being said, if the owner of an establishment, after a respectful explanation would rather you not vape in his/her establishment, then don't make a fuss, but respect their wishes and thank them for taking the time to listen to your points. And then change your spending habits towards more enlightened establishments.
If you openly vape in a place that smoking is prohibited, let's just say on an airplane, you are going to incur the wrath of both the smokers and the non-smokers, lol. The smokers will be jealous and the non-smokers will assume that you are smoking. Best to stealth vape in the rest room.
I wonder if those smoke detectors will detect vapor from a PV? Ah-ha. I feel a new thread coming on.
I have only stealthed in a couple of places. One was in Target, early Sunday morning. Hardly anyone in the store yet. The other is at work in the rest room.
I wonder if those smoke detectors will detect vapor from a PV? Ah-ha. I feel a new thread coming on.
I have only stealthed in a couple of places. One was in Target, early Sunday morning. Hardly anyone in the store yet. The other is at work in the rest room.
Wonderfully stated.
I just got my PV this week and I have yet to gather the courage to do it inside a store.
Yup, just got back from a trip and steathed on the plane...very little, in the airport bathroom, and in the bathroom at a work site. No need to go outside. When at the airport at DIA I did go to the smoker's area so I could really vape.
Pretty much every time I visit a restaurant, I first ask if the manager could answer a few questions. I show him the eGo I own, explain the differences, do a quick puff, and inquire if I may freely vape in the restaurant. No one has had an issue with it yet, out of perhaps 30 different restaurants. In addition, it makes a great introduction piece for other soon-to-be-ex-smokers who see me "smoking" in a non-smoking building! I tend to carry an extra cartridge or two of mild flavors and one of an exotic flavor for just such an occasion, should the interested party wish to partake. 
As for "stealth" vaping, I suppose you could call it stealth since I've vaped in bathrooms, the back of movie theaters (don't want the vapor getting in other patrons' view), and so forth. I've never done so with the intention of trying to hide what I"m doing, simply that these places are among those that are convenient to vape.
Mind you, I'm not being showy about it, blowing rings of vapor and so forth, I'm simply vaping whilst going about my daily business. So far, so good - and ALL public access buildings in MT are no-smoking. All.
Once, in a Barnes and Noble bookstore, I was vaping while reading a magazine in the coffee area, and had a customer (not an employee) come over and state, loudly (as if to gain support, get more people ragging on me, etc.) that she is deathly allergic to cigarette smoke, I was poisoning the air, and smoking in there is illegal. I calmly stated that I'm not smoking, and asked if she noticed any smell, ashes, or her "allergies" acting up. The nice young lady behind the counter of the cafe couldn't help but giggle, and the woman verbally accosting me walked away, puzzled but defused.
As for "stealth" vaping, I suppose you could call it stealth since I've vaped in bathrooms, the back of movie theaters (don't want the vapor getting in other patrons' view), and so forth. I've never done so with the intention of trying to hide what I"m doing, simply that these places are among those that are convenient to vape.
Mind you, I'm not being showy about it, blowing rings of vapor and so forth, I'm simply vaping whilst going about my daily business. So far, so good - and ALL public access buildings in MT are no-smoking. All.
Once, in a Barnes and Noble bookstore, I was vaping while reading a magazine in the coffee area, and had a customer (not an employee) come over and state, loudly (as if to gain support, get more people ragging on me, etc.) that she is deathly allergic to cigarette smoke, I was poisoning the air, and smoking in there is illegal. I calmly stated that I'm not smoking, and asked if she noticed any smell, ashes, or her "allergies" acting up. The nice young lady behind the counter of the cafe couldn't help but giggle, and the woman verbally accosting me walked away, puzzled but defused.
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Saw a post here somewhere where blowing vapor directly into a detector would set it off. Doubt I'd risk it on a plane, given that Federal law enforcement immediately gets involved with any issue. Thought I'd heard a few airlines were going to permit it though.
What is the rationale for banning PVs in a smoking ban? "It LOOKS like a cigarette is being smoked, ban it!"?
This whole debacle reminds me quite a bit of 1994, when various rifles and pistols were banned because they LOOKED like machine guns. Sad that the public, and politicians, can be so misinformed and led by emotion instead of fact.
This whole debacle reminds me quite a bit of 1994, when various rifles and pistols were banned because they LOOKED like machine guns. Sad that the public, and politicians, can be so misinformed and led by emotion instead of fact.
What is the rationale for banning PVs in a smoking ban? "It LOOKS like a cigarette is being smoked, ban it!"?
This whole debacle reminds me quite a bit of 1994, when various rifles and pistols were banned because they LOOKED like machine guns. Sad that the public, and politicians, can be so misinformed and led by emotion instead of fact.
government: "Oh people enjoy this? What we aren't making money off of it? Ban it!!!!"
I don't think it should be legal to vape indoors. Even if one person vaping is not going to cause an air quality problem in a movie theatre or at a bar, imagine a room filled with people vaping. The vapor does contain nicotine, and, at the very least, a room cloudy with propylene glycol could dry people's eyes, etc..... I don't think people should be subjected to that.
I normally ask first if I feel the need to vape. When I was at the airport in Maui, the smoking area is all the way across the street. The security said I could vape in the airport, and if someone said anything, to just let them know. I didn't try in the plane.
The only other place I've really vaped in a "non smoking" are was at the fair, and no one said anything.
The only other place I've really vaped in a "non smoking" are was at the fair, and no one said anything.
What is the rationale for banning PVs in a smoking ban? "It LOOKS like a cigarette is being smoked, ban it!"?
This whole debacle reminds me quite a bit of 1994, when various rifles and pistols were banned because they LOOKED like machine guns. Sad that the public, and politicians, can be so misinformed and led by emotion instead of fact.
I have a theory that anti-smoking fanaticism has gotten to the point where certain people just want to PUNISH others, and are bummed that "smokers" might "get away with it," through vaping. Not saying most of the negative press / restrictions weren't logical, but anti-smoking stuff has become some kind of a sport. Now banning it indoors isn't even enough, for example. I was told by someone on the committee that hired me at work that if he'd known I smoked (a measly 1-3 during the workday, by the way) he wouldn't have hired me. The same guy later expressed surprise that I was eating fruit for breakfast (which I've done for years) because he assumed I must be a "junkfood junkie" because I smoked. Some people just hate smokers, and won't like letting go of that just because the "smoke" is replaced with water vapor.
It's going to take a strong push of information and the kind of testimonials seen here and elsewhere to combat that attitude, I think. Besides the anti-smoking zealots who won't have as many smokers to ridicule and wrinkle their noses at, local governments are "addicted" to the enormous "sin tax" placed on tobacco products, on the theory that society can tax things people "shouldn't" do, and to recoup the cost of tobacco users' health issues. New York is currently flipping out because a local Indian tribe is ducking their enormous cig tax, and I'm sure "vaping" will draw the same financially driven attacks.
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Logical, and a frankly appalling exhibition of modern American political thinking.
I think the main problem is that people are generally not aware of what vaping is. I do not think it is illegal however, as I don't believe there are laws on it yet. I guess it is a matter of time before regulations are applied to vaping.
@ andyleigh - But we go to concerts where they have fog machines and people don't complain - and I am subjected to people's alcoholic fumes when I go out and I dont drink - following your logic drinking should be banned in public as well. And what about coffee drinkers who pollute others with their caffeine exhalations? What if I dont want to be 'caffienated'? If theres 2nd hand nicotine from PVs (which i dont beleive there is btw) there must also be 2nd hand caffiene - they are both expelled in a vapor that isn't smoke. Lets not get into body odor either - the amount of times Ive wished it was the LAW for people to wash or use deodorant..
(I'm not trying tobe a jerk btw Im jsut pointing out how it might go if we follow that thought through to a logical conclusion)
(I'm not trying tobe a jerk btw Im jsut pointing out how it might go if we follow that thought through to a logical conclusion)
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