Steeping overrated

[Kropotkin]

. . . Call me crazy, or just a noob . . .

With all due respect, I think it's the noob part that makes the difference.

I myself couldn't perceive a whole lot of nuance in juices for the first 6 months or so, and I don't think I had fully functioning taste buds for close to a year. Combine that with the fact that, like most noobs, I was using cartos and clearos and high nicotine juice, and there you go.

People differ, of course, but I suspect this is pretty common. I've noticed that new vapers often prefer spicy, minty, super-sweet stuff, or regularly order juice with extra flavor added, so I don't think I was a all that unusual.

 

[skoony]

I stand by my statement that steeping (should be ageing) liquid is a chemical reaction and will produce a different if not better liquid over time and I'll agree to disagree with you as it seems like you don't get my point.

then why doesn't paint or coco-cola have this same chemical reaction?
both of them if let sitting long enough will go bad.
paint you just re-mix.i'm not sure about the cola.
all the ingreidients in ejuice come with product data sheets.
these contain all the usual warnings,recomended storage,and other data concerning them.
one is specific gravity.
using that information one can use equations to figure with x many ingreidiants and there specific gravity,
mixed using y mixing technique for a certian time will get a desired dispersion,vescosity,and shelf life.
this is not 100% exact.thats why you test it to see if it meets the standards you
have given it.
if not you ajust the formula untill you get the desired result.
that is why when we buy things we can count on the fact they will be the same as
when we bought it before.this insures a consistant product.
like cola or old spice.
now with juice why does it seem to change even when mixed properly?
air,thats right the air we breath this changes the juice due to humidity,temperature,
and barometric pressure.
to some extent you can notice this with food.lets take beer for instance.
the colder it is the better it tastes on a hot humid day.i dont know why but refrigerated beer tastes bleck on hot
days.now put it a cooler of ice,thats the ticket.
here in minesota where the weather can change 4,5 or more times in a week
you pick up on this.
.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

If steeping is overrated then there should be no reason to age wine or whiskey. Yes they're different substances but it's the same principle. While it is true that some people will be able to vape something directly from the mailbox while others will find it rancid; taste is subjective. I had a caramel apple that tasted like caramel a**-hole directly from the mailbox that after a month tastes like it was mixed together by unicorn riding angels.

because wine and whiskey are stored in wooden casks.
flavors from the wood leech into the wine and whiskey.
type of wood + the time stored = desired result to the extent that a bad growing season
may not give you the exact result wanted.
regards
mike

 

[hondo11]

Budweiser-beechwood aged with a born on date...hmm!

 

[AnnieP65]

Not sure about paint, as I've never tasted it
As far as soda-maybe carbonation plays a part in that. I'm no expert. Just, from my own experience(not speaking for anyone else), the taste of a horribly 'perfumey' or peppery-tasting juice blends into a flavorful treat when i age it. Not speaking for other people's sense of taste. I got some perfumey tasting liquid today. After 3-7 days I know for a fact, that perfume flavor will disappear(for me-again, not speaking for others).

then why doesn't paint or coco-cola have this same chemical reaction?
both of them if let sitting long enough will go bad.
paint you just re-mix.i'm not sure about the cola.
all the ingreidients in ejuice come with product data sheets.
these contain all the usual warnings,recomended storage,and other data concerning them.
one is specific gravity.
using that information one can use equations to figure with x many ingreidiants and there specific gravity,
mixed using y mixing technique for a certian time will get a desired dispersion,vescosity,and shelf life.
this is not 100% exact.thats why you test it to see if it meets the standards you
have given it.
if not you ajust the formula untill you get the desired result.
that is why when we buy things we can count on the fact they will be the same as
when we bought it before.this insures a consistant product.
like cola or old spice.
now with juice why does it seem to change even when mixed properly?
air,thats right the air we breath this changes the juice due to humidity,temperature,
and barometric pressure.
to some extent you can notice this with food.lets take beer for instance.
the colder it is the better it tastes on a hot humid day.i dont know why but refrigerated beer tastes bleck on hot
days.now put it a cooler of ice,thats the ticket.
here in minesota where the weather can change 4,5 or more times in a week
you pick up on this.
.
regards
mike

 

[Myk]

Yes! And with custards, etc. Anything complex or 'tobacco' only improves with steeping. Maybe taste is SO subjective that even steeping/aging/breathing doesn't improve flavor for some. I really don't know, but I suppose anything is possible!

There's something that goes on with Caramel Cappuccino (TFA). After 3 weeks caramel comes out. Before then it's just bad.
Some people may never like it but it definitely goes through changes. On my first try with it and Tiramisu at a few days and 1 week I thought I was going to have to dump them. After 3 weeks they were pretty good.
And I'm not someone who picks up minor flavors to quibble over (a "wine taster" is what I call them).

because wine and whiskey are stored in wooden casks.
flavors from the wood leech into the wine and whiskey.
type of wood + the time stored = desired result to the extent that a bad growing season
may not give you the exact result wanted.
regards
mike

You're guessing. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about before but this comment tells me you don't.
Wine goes through changes with or without wood. Sulfurs binding with oxygen is one of the things that goes on and that is mainly important once the wine is bottled. If that can't happen once it is bottled steps have to be taken to remove all oxygen and keep oxygen from ingressing through the cork and glass or else you'll have oxidized wine.

It is guessed that something similar is going on with liquids and oxygen. Bad flavor notes combine with oxygen and become good flavor notes or bad flavors bleed off. Possibly the nicotine oxidizes and that blends with the other flavors.
Good or bad are up to personal tastes but the fact that changes do happen is not.

 

[Buggainok]

I have read a lot of comments from people stating they steep for up to a month or more. Call me crazy, or just a noob, but I never have noticed a difference in flavor after a day or 2 at most.

I'm pretty new, a couple of months in, but I also cannot tell the difference. I use all my juice right when I get it, and I find the flavors good to vape. Maybe my taste buds are just not very discerning. If so, I'm okay with it, since I don't know what I may be missing.

 

[Myk]

I'm pretty new, a couple of months in, but I also cannot tell the difference. I use all my juice right when I get it, and I find the flavors good to vape. Maybe my taste buds are just not very discerning. If so, I'm okay with it, since I don't know what I may be missing.

Buying premade depends on when they mixed it. It could be "pre-steeped". All I do with mine is mix way ahead of time so it will be about 3 weeks before I open a bottle.

 

[hondo11]

One will likely become a hater of certain vendors if patience is required. And although I'm a noob I get it, I know what the maker is shooting for even if I find certain ingredients are in those e-liquids that I'm not so fond of ie. anise in Midnight Apple or clove in Turkish. But I get the style and those ingredients do not keep me from liking them. Everything isn't awesome or great even. Some things are just plain ol' good. Are they good? Yes. Are they a favorite? No.

Two weeks ago I got an order from the mail box and surprisingly my Tribeca (sniff test) was ready, Belgian Cocoa was not. Last night it became time to give it a try and it's wonderful...subjective.

Branching out, I placed an order with Ahlusion yesterday (my first) yet I am prepared to wait as long as it takes.
If I get in a tight there's a b&m on the way home from work and they have a pretty good selection of juices, even a few Halo selections.

*per rjtoole: I too received a caramel apple apparently from the same a**hole. In about two weeks though the stuff is...AWESOME!

 

[chanelvaps]

hmmm lots of food for thought...I am new to this, 5 months, I have bought a boat load of juice in that time. I have got some from the mailbox that made me want to send the supplier a letter bomb. Three weeks later I was in love with it. I know magical things can happen to a juice in time. Why it happens is beyond me but nobody can tell me it does not change in a few weeks time.
I suspect my taste buds are damaged, I suspect they will continue to change. I am just thankful I learned to STEEP juice before I threw anymore of it out (yes I did do that)

 

[chanelvaps]

One will likely become a hater of certain vendors if patience is required. And although I'm a noob I get it, I know what the maker is shooting for even if I find certain ingredients are in those e-liquids that I'm not so fond of ie. anise in Midnight Apple or clove in Turkish. But I get the style and those ingredients do not keep me from liking them. Everything isn't awesome or great even. Some things are just plain ol' good. Are they good? Yes. Are they a favorite? No.

Two weeks ago I got an order from the mail box and surprisingly my Tribeca (sniff test) was ready, Belgian Cocoa was not. Last night it became time to give it a try and it's wonderful...subjective.

Branching out, I placed an order with Ahlusion yesterday (my first) yet I am prepared to wait as long as it takes.
If I get in a tight there's a b&m on the way home from work and they have a pretty good selection of juices, even a few Halo selections.

*per rjtoole: I too received a caramel apple apparently from the same a**hole. In about two weeks though the stuff is...AWESOME!

I have met and talked to a few that will not tolerate steeping a juice, I feel about them the way I feel about my boyfriend when he eats all the guacamole I just made without letting the flavors marry together, what a waste.

 

[eeevilyn.]

I really don't buy juice ahead of time specifically for the purpose of steeping, but I do have a lot of bottles of juice so I don't just use one kind. They all steep while I'm using something else.

Often I really love a juice when it's almost gone, so that's either the steeping or my mind playing tricks on me

 

[Coldrake]

then why doesn't paint or coco-cola have this same chemical reaction?
both of them if let sitting long enough will go bad.
paint you just re-mix.i'm not sure about the cola.
all the ingreidients in ejuice come with product data sheets.
these contain all the usual warnings,recomended storage,and other data concerning them.
one is specific gravity.
using that information one can use equations to figure with x many ingreidiants and there specific gravity,
mixed using y mixing technique for a certian time will get a desired dispersion,vescosity,and shelf life.
this is not 100% exact.thats why you test it to see if it meets the standards you
have given it.
if not you ajust the formula untill you get the desired result.
that is why when we buy things we can count on the fact they will be the same as
when we bought it before.this insures a consistant product.
like cola or old spice.
now with juice why does it seem to change even when mixed properly?
air,thats right the air we breath this changes the juice due to humidity,temperature,
and barometric pressure.
to some extent you can notice this with food.lets take beer for instance.
the colder it is the better it tastes on a hot humid day.i dont know why but refrigerated beer tastes bleck on hot
days.now put it a cooler of ice,thats the ticket.
here in minesota where the weather can change 4,5 or more times in a week
you pick up on this.
.
regards
mike

Does that mean that when I make my marinara sauce I can just shake the pot instead of letting it simmer all day?

 

[Frenchfry1942]

About every 10 days, I buy juice in a groups of 4-5. I'm on the current group. There is another group that is sitting a drawer steeping that I got 10 days after that. It is in another drawer. 10 days after that, or about week ago, I bought another group and it is in a third drawer. Understand all of that???

I have never had a juice that didn't taste better. I have battery with an atomizer on it, I do test a bit.

 

[skoony]

Not sure about paint, as I've never tasted it
As far as soda-maybe carbonation plays a part in that. I'm no expert. Just, from my own experience(not speaking for anyone else), the taste of a horribly 'perfumey' or peppery-tasting juice blends into a flavorful treat when i age it. Not speaking for other people's sense of taste. I got some perfumey tasting liquid today. After 3-7 days I know for a fact, that perfume flavor will disappear(for me-again, not speaking for others).

that means something is evaporating out of the base due to not being mixed properly.
if there just throwing ingredients into a bottle and shaking it by hand and not by spec
you are just completing the manufacturing process for them.
that's not aging.
they don't seam to have this problem making chewing gum,or cough syrup.
i still believe a good manufacturer would not want there product to change that much
over such a short period of time.

regards
mike

 

[skoony]

About every 10 days, I buy juice in a groups of 4-5. I'm on the current group. There is another group that is sitting a drawer steeping that I got 10 days after that. It is in another drawer. 10 days after that, or about week ago, I bought another group and it is in a third drawer. Understand all of that???

I have never had a juice that didn't taste better. I have battery with an atomizer on it, I do test a bit.

my point is nothing should happen to it if its made right the first time.

regards
mike

 

[Marc411]

Does that mean that when I make my marinara sauce I can just shake the pot instead of letting it simmer all day?

My wife's sauce is always better after a day or two in the frig!

 

[Myk]

that means something is evaporating out of the base due to not being mixed properly.
if there just throwing ingredients into a bottle and shaking it by hand and not by spec
you are just completing the manufacturing process for them.
that's not aging.
they don't seam to have this problem making chewing gum,or cough syrup.
i still believe a good manufacturer would not want there product to change that much
over such a short period of time.

regards
mike

I don't think they're making chewing gum or cough syrup as a custom order.

my point is nothing should happen to it if its made right the first time.

regards
mike

OK, make an order from a place that allows you to pick your PG/VG ratio. You'll get delivery in 3 weeks to 6 months and you won't have to steep it. Happy now?

 

[AnnieP65]

My wife's sauce is always better after a day or two in the frig!

I may just have to have a sample sent to me to see for myself!

 

[skoony]

I don't think they're making chewing gum or cough syrup as a custom order.





OK, make an order from a place that allows you to pick your PG/VG ratio. You'll get delivery in 3 weeks to 6 months and you won't have to steep it. Happy now?

then they should not be making it if they cant control the process.
3 to 6 month in back orders is good from the companies point of view.
i don't really think its laying around that long.

mike