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let me make my self clear.
oxidation when and if it is occurring would be at such a low rate as not to have any short time affect on ejuice.
the ingredients in ejuice are used precisely because of there stability standing alone and
mixed with other ingredients.
over a long period of time oxidation may cause a breakdown in the ingredients but
not before any reasonable shelf life expectancy.
if any thing is happening its air entered into the mixing process needs time to leech out.
the air contained in a liquid stored in an inch wide 3 inch high container would take longer
to leech out than one stored in a 3 inch wide 1 inch tall container.
after more than forty years in the work force i can tell you there is no steeping or
aging processes going on considering the ingredients involved.
if it was true we wouldn't have nicotine gum,inhalers,patches,and sno-cone flavoring.
and lastly ejuice is not cooked.cooking involves a different process.it is not comparable.
and its not like making wine at all.
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mike

It's clear you're just trying to be argumentative. Your long winded posts do not negate my experience with my juices. I honestly don't care what you think. **shrugs**

At the end of the day, it doesn't affect my vaping experience one bit.

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Any one that does DIY should know that the 'flavoring' used in the ejuice mixes are mixed with alcohol( probably pga) to dissolve and or mix the ingredients being used. This is what some call a perfume smell. These are mostly noticeable in the darker flavors such as a coffee or chocolate flavor, most of the tobacco flavors and some of the bakery flavors. Even with vanillas also. Ever pick up a bottle of vanilla in the grocery store and smell alcohol in it? There ya go. Same as with some ejuice flavors since after all, they are food flavors we are using.

So, if you haven't tried it, how would you know what is in it?
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going on week three for my VV organic kona coffee milkshake... still medicinal smelling... however.... my Halo belgian cocoa was ready and perfect right out of the box. yummmm

lol but it worth to be patient with it :)

I got the kona milkshake in a sample size at vapefest, I guess its pre-steeped because it is amazing out of the box (and anyway I guess they won't give samples if they're not ready to use).
 
I mixed 2 batches of snake oil 3 days apart; one at 24 nic one at 12 nic. For the first two days there was a distinct color difference. The mix starts off clear - all the components are clear. As it steeps it gradually darkens to a honey color. Testing a tiny bit of each everyday, there was a big difference the first day which gradually diminished over steeping so that by the third day the only way I can tell the difference is by the labels I applied.

Flip side of the coin; my first go at "Grampa's Nightcap", a tobacco blend started a week after it arrived. A note came with it from the store advising I let it steep for a week. I did... the stuff was horrible.I threw it in the back of a drawer and forgot about it. Three or four weeks later I came across it again and decided to give it another try.

Boy I'm glad I did :D. It's one of my favorites. I don't know how you can get more subtle favor.

I think it all depends on the mix.
 

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LoriVanPelt:12636265 said:
going on week three for my VV organic kona coffee milkshake... still medicinal smelling... however.... my Halo belgian cocoa was ready and perfect right out of the box. yummmm
Okc from vv is what I got in mail today. Steeping in a dark place in my basement. Lmk when yours is vapable. I'll be 3 weeks behind ya :)
 

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Facts are, the taste and the vaping experience DO change when many juices are aged. Sometimes significantly for the more enjoyable or better. THEY DO. Period. Theorize, analyze, masticate all the data and facts you want.....it doesn't change the truth.
if you refine and correct your process they shouldn't change at all,allmost 20 years of manufacturing experience
has taught me enough to know the ingredients in ecig don't age over there expected useful shelf life
expectancy.that is why they are used in nicotine inhalers.
what ever if anything is going on it is not aging,or steeping,or mysterious chemical processes.
most likely the air has leeched out or a good change of weather.
ask any one who makes pre-mixed flavoring for soda's or sno-cones
about you aging theory.
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if you refine and correct your process they shouldn't change at all,allmost 20 years of manufacturing experience
has taught me enough to know the ingredients in ecig don't age over there expected useful shelf life
expectancy.that is why they are used in nicotine inhalers.
what ever if anything is going on it is not aging,or steeping,or mysterious chemical processes.
most likely the air has leeched out or a good change of weather.
ask any one who makes pre-mixed flavoring for soda's or sno-cones
about you aging theory.
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mike

Manufacturing what, exactly?

You're still wrong.
 

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if you refine and correct your process they shouldn't change at all,allmost 20 years of manufacturing experience
has taught me enough to know the ingredients in ecig don't age over there expected useful shelf life
expectancy.that is why they are used in nicotine inhalers.
what ever if anything is going on it is not aging,or steeping,or mysterious chemical processes.
most likely the air has leeched out or a good change of weather.
ask any one who makes pre-mixed flavoring for soda's or sno-cones
about you aging theory.
:2c:
regards
mike
LOL....Insisting you are right doesn't make you right, or correct. Actual experience with the steeping effect on eliquid is what I am basing my observation on. Not manufacturing experience, not book knowledge, not deductive reasoning, not voodoo but ACTUAL experience with the very substance..not analogies, not similar stuff, not imaginary liquids...ejuice..period. Well...I think I'll vape on my steeped Banana Bread juice (which has changed and improved over time) and move on from this waste of time.
 

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I notice color changes, but I have never noticed any real flavor change. Other than the perfumey fragrance dissipate with fruity flavorings.

I actually thought there were differences at first, then I did a blind taste test with 3 different flavors with me and the wife. one we started using right away, another I steep for two weeks and another for 2 months.

And to be honest, we couldn't tell the difference between them.

Of course I'm no expert, and this is just my opinion. And we don't do fruity flavors. Mostly tobacco, caramel, peanut butter, etc. Maybe just a touch of fruity just to add a bit to the flavor.
 
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why would any company make a product that wouldn't be completed till after it left its control.
if they are reading there product data sheets correctly they can formulate a process that
makes a product that is consistent and repeatable.
literally thousands of products we consume and use every day would
be totally useless according to you because they weren't steeped or aged.
most of which have a lot more ingredients that would have to "meld".
try pre mixing your flavors a week or two before making your favorite
e-juice.adjust amounts or mixing times.
it might take some tinkering.
what i am saying the correct process should yield the correct results.
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mike

That's is exactly what is happening; stuff is being mixed and some mixes would need steeping and it's being left to the user to let it steep.
 

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I mixed 2 batches of snake oil 3 days apart; one at 24 nic one at 12 nic. For the first two days there was a distinct color difference. The mix starts off clear - all the components are clear. As it steeps it gradually darkens to a honey color. Testing a tiny bit of each everyday, there was a big difference the first day which gradually diminished over steeping so that by the third day the only way I can tell the difference is by the labels I applied.

Flip side of the coin; my first go at "Grampa's Nightcap", a tobacco blend started a week after it arrived. A note came with it from the store advising I let it steep for a week. I did... the stuff was horrible.I threw it in the back of a drawer and forgot about it. Three or four weeks later I came across it again and decided to give it another try.

Boy I'm glad I did :D. It's one of my favorites. I don't know how you can get more subtle favor.

I think it all depends on the mix.

After a few days you couldn't taste the difference between a 24mg and a 12mg?
 

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if you refine and correct your process they shouldn't change at all,allmost 20 years of manufacturing experience
has taught me enough to know the ingredients in ecig don't age over there expected useful shelf life
expectancy.that is why they are used in nicotine inhalers.
what ever if anything is going on it is not aging,or steeping,or mysterious chemical processes.
most likely the air has leeched out or a good change of weather.
ask any one who makes pre-mixed flavoring for soda's or sno-cones
about you aging theory.
:2c:
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mike

You still haven't mixed any e-liquid have you?
You haven't even ordered have you?

If we ever question steeping paint or plastic we'll give you a call.
 

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if you refine and correct your process they shouldn't change at all,allmost 20 years of manufacturing experience
has taught me enough to know the ingredients in ecig don't age over there expected useful shelf life
expectancy.that is why they are used in nicotine inhalers.
what ever if anything is going on it is not aging,or steeping,or mysterious chemical processes.
most likely the air has leeched out or a good change of weather.
ask any one who makes pre-mixed flavoring for soda's or sno-cones
about you aging theory.
:2c:
regards
mike



Whatever the science behind steeping is, it WORKS.
 

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LOL....Insisting you are right doesn't make you right, or correct. Actual experience with the steeping effect on eliquid is what I am basing my observation on. Not manufacturing experience, not book knowledge, not deductive reasoning, not voodoo but ACTUAL experience with the very substance..not analogies, not similar stuff, not imaginary liquids...ejuice..period. Well...I think I'll vape on my steeped Banana Bread juice (which has changed and improved over time) and move on from this waste of time.

unless your steeping tobacco leaf or other things for the flavoring
the actual process of mixing is not steeping.
letting it sit for 2 weeks or whatever is not steeping.
it is also not aging.
words mean things and should not be co-opted changed or
owned.
its settling out the air introduced by the mixing.
you can get stuff that you can add during mixing to exelerate
the expulsion of air but,at a recommended 1 cup per 600 gallon ratio
for most uses it would be impractical and possibly unsafe for vaping use anyway.
i'll take my book learning and hard earned practical experience
over your imagined chemical processes because the stuff
used in ecigs doesn't age.it will deteriorate or seperate over
time but it wont age.

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mike
 

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You still haven't mixed any e-liquid have you?
You haven't even ordered have you?

If we ever question steeping paint or plastic we'll give you a call.

haven't from scratch but plenty of blending ready made juices.
never takes more than 2 days for the air to settle out.
i'm only mixing about 4 teaspoons at a time though.
after that the only thing to effect the flavor would be
a new weather front moving through.
in minnesoa that can be 3 or 4 times a week.
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steeping - definition of steeping by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

steep 1 (stēp)
adj. steep·er, steep·est
1. Having a sharp inclination; precipitous.

2. At a rapid or precipitous rate: a steep rise in salaries.

3.
a. Excessive; stiff: a steep price.

b. Ambitious; difficult: a steep undertaking.

n.
A precipitous slope.

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[Middle English stepe, from Old English stēap.]

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steep′ly adv.

steep′ness n.

Synonyms: steep1, abrupt, precipitous, sheer2
These adjectives mean so sharply inclined as to be almost perpendicular: steep cliffs; an abrupt drop-off; precipitous hills; a sheer descent.


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steep 2 (stēp)
v. steeped, steep·ing, steeps

v.tr.
1. To soak in liquid in order to cleanse, soften, or extract a given property from.

2. To infuse or subject thoroughly to.

3. To make thoroughly wet; saturate.

v.intr.
To undergo a soaking in liquid.

n.
1.
a. The act or process of steeping.

b. The state of being steeped.

2. A liquid, bath, or solution in which something is steeped.

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[Middle English stepen, perhaps of Old English origin.]

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steep′er n.


The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

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steep (stiːp)
adj
1.
a. having or being a slope or gradient approaching the perpendicular

b. (as noun): the steep.

2. (of a fee, price, demand, etc) unduly high; unreasonable (esp in the phrase that's a bit steep)

3. excessively demanding or ambitious: a steep task.

4. Brit (of a statement) extreme or far-fetched

5. elevated

[Old English steap; related to Old Frisian stāp, Old High German stouf cliff, Old Norse staup]
ˈsteeply adv ˈsteepness n
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steep (stiːp)
vb
1. to soak or be soaked in a liquid in order to soften, cleanse, extract an element, etc

2. (tr; usually passive) to saturate; imbue: steeped in ideology.

n
3. an instance or the process of steeping or the condition of being steeped

4. a liquid or solution used for the purpose of steeping something

[Old English stēpan; related to steap vessel, cup, Old High German stouf, Old Norse staup, Middle Dutch stōp]
ˈsteeper n
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

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steep1 (stip)

adj. -er, -est,
n. adj.
1. having an almost vertical slope or pitch, or a relatively high gradient, as a hill, an ascent, or stairs.

2. (of a price or amount) unduly high; exorbitant.

3. high or lofty.
n.
4. a steep place; declivity, as of a hill.

[before 900; Old English stēap; akin to stoop1]

steep′ly, adv.

steep′ness, n.
steep2 (stip)

v.t.
1. to soak in water or other liquid, as to soften, cleanse, or extract some constituent.

2. to wet thoroughly in or with a liquid; drench; saturate; imbue.

3. to saturate with some pervading or absorbing influence or agency: an incident steeped in mystery.
v.i.
4. to lie soaking in a liquid.
n.
5. the act or process of steeping or the state of being steeped.

6. a liquid in which something is steeped.

[1350–1400; (v.) Middle English stepen, obscurely akin to Dan støba, Swedish stöpa to steep]

steep′er, n.


So, if the word 'steeping' is inaccurate, perhaps 'mixing' would be more suitable.
 
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