Steeping PG only.

[4tran4]

Okay, So I've been doing my own juice for a good while now and , And will never look back. This morning I made an interesting observation whilst tanking my third batch of watermelon/brown sugar. Forgot to add my VG!!! So the first hit on my pulse-g clone nearly blows my mind, and I quickly go back to the calc and add the proper 11.2 mils of VG, And I have noticed the flavor is a good few notches better than batch 2 with the same formula.

Now I have read, and believe that PG is a better flavor carrier than VG, this is evident when I mix 50/50 from my usual 30/70 which I use as I'm PG sensitive and just plain like the texture and presence of the veg. So what actually happens while steeping? Do the flavor molecules actually bind to the PG/VG? (Any chemists on here?) Could it be that the flavor is solely bonded to the PG ("a better carrier") I n this case? Or does something else occur? This DIY stuff is still alchemy to me right now....

What I think I'm going to try, is on my next few batches, is to steep half my batches without the PG and add my VG after a week or so, for comparison. Am I on to something? or did I just drink too much coffee this morning. I love my veg, but I want more flavor without over-using my flavors.

 

[Crunktanium]

Some light reading for you.

Sugar alcohol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tincture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[fogging_katrider]

What I think I'm going to try, is on my next few batches, is to steep half my batches without the PG and add my VG after a week or so, for comparison. Am I on to something? or did I just drink too much coffee this morning. I love my veg, but I want more flavor without over-using my flavors.

4tran4...
Did you mean to say steep without "VG" and then add the "VG" later for comparison to normally mixed and steeped ?

Some light reading for you.

Sugar alcohol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tincture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crunk...
Can you elaborate on that post... I mean "where's waldo" in all those wikis

 

[dannyv45]

VG is thicker and flavor molecules move through VG much slower it is also not as efficent at desolving flavor molecules. PG is a better carrier because it works better at desolving flavor molecules and it is thinner so the molecules move better through the liquid. PG will steep faster then VG.

 

[4tran4]

4tran4...
Did you mean to say steep without "VG" and then add the "VG" later for comparison to normally mixed and steeped ?

Exactamundo, Yes, And I my first comparisons to normally steeped juice seem a bit more flavorful on four different rigs. I also have test batches set aside for a long steep, to see if they equal out over time. Give it a try =D, I'd love to have an independent comparator.

 

[4tran4]

PG will steep faster then VG.

Aha! This may explain it. I will steep all the test batches and compare again in a few weeks to see if they even out.

 

[mcraig]

Maybe I'm crazy and don't understand, but all of your flavors we're much more concentrated too. I agree that PG carries flavors better but missing a third(assuming a 30ml batch)of the base probably had more to do with the flavor increase than the VG.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding though.


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[Crunktanium]

VG will never match PG no matter how long it sits which is why it needs PG, Ethanol and or Water to help it along.

 

[4tran4]

All the test batches are 30ml, 6mg, 30/70, @ 15% total flavor as per my spreadsheet. Two batches are two week steep with the VG added on the third week. The other two batches are mixed @ once for a three week steep.

The tests will be done by me and the g/f on two krakens run dual @ .6-7 on brass sentinels and two pulse-g's run single @.8 and a dual dripper @ .5 . All gear is knockoff(F/T) except the 20 amp MNKE's.

All this is being done on a hunch, and the results of the second test are not out in yet. If this amounts for anything I will let the (additional) test data speak for itself. If not, we had fun vaping it all , and I will shift my (personal) experiments to PGA, ethanol, and whatever else I think might not kill us. =D

 

[dannyv45]

Aha! This may explain it. I will steep all the test batches and compare again in a few weeks to see if they even out.

If you forgot to add VG then your flavor concentration is higher and this is likely why you realized a big flavor swing.

If you mix an all VG and an all PG with the same amount of flavor and given enough time the flavors will eventually even out and be about the same. Higher VG will give a slightly sweeter vape and a higher PG will have a bit more throat hit. That would be the primary difference.