Steeping sucks!

[Hoosier]

There will be some. But so will opening the bottle at room temp.

There was a temp & time test done at one time that I remember reading, but have no idea where. As I remember a hot water bath resulted in a fraction of 1% difference in mg/ml.

Sitting in sunlight in a window over a long period had a significant impact as I remember.

 

[vsummer1]

(A mailbox in direct sun on a 100 degree day will reach temps of 185 F according to research I've done in the past which is quite a bit higher than hot tap water and unlike hot tap water, it stays hot in the mailbox.)
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Which is quite enough to crack plastic bottles from the pressure. YES, it has happened on more than one occasion, so for the poster saying they want evidence, well I threw the bottle away and am not digging it out. Trust me on this one, I have no reason to be making this up. I only wonder if the flavor of my juice has been affected by it and come winter my stuff will taste entirely different?

 

[bah-num]

YES, it has happened on more than one occasion, so for the poster saying they want evidence, well I threw the bottle away and am not digging it out. Trust me on this one, I have no reason to be making this up.

Nobody questioned your experience. I was asking tomzgreat for evidence of someone bursting a bottle while using the hot water bath method. Don't worry, I believe you've had bottles burst in the mailbox, before getting into DIY I got in a habit of opening up my juice shipments immediately, before even getting to my front door, and unscrewing the cap to make sure they didn't burst after they sat for long hours in a shiny metal box in the hot Florida sun. My pre-made juice used to arrive with plenty of pressure built up in them from transit

 

[jeffjr464]

i have a semi related question, just got an order of 100% vg juice, i've tested most of them right out of the mail envelope, they have a wierd chemical, bitter/sourish taste to them, is it because it's all vg? orwill that go away with steeping and just be the flavor?

 

[rondasherrill]

i have a semi related question, just got an order of 100% vg juice, i've tested most of them right out of the mail envelope, they have a wierd chemical, bitter/sourish taste to them, is it because it's all vg? orwill that go away with steeping and just be the flavor?

No experience with all VG juice, but VG generally has a sweetness to it.

 

[zoiDman]

i have a semi related question, just got an order of 100% vg juice, i've tested most of them right out of the mail envelope, they have a wierd chemical, bitter/sourish taste to them, is it because it's all vg? orwill that go away with steeping and just be the flavor?

I don't think it is Because they are 100% VG. Becuase VG tends to make e-Liquids Swwet vs. Sour.

Could be the Nicotine Base that was used. Or more Likely, that they are Not Sweetened Enough for your Taste.

 

[niczgreat]

Hi Bah Nun, I took your post the wrong way, my apologies, you were asking for information and I interpreted it differently. My Bad.

In the Diy forum, where I learned about steeping in warm-hot water, they always recommended the bottle be open for safety reasons, I was just passing on what I thought was common information.

This forum is used by many people, some quite inexperienced. There is the possibility that someone will experiment with boiling water, Microwaving etc.. So it's good advise to always recommend that the bottle be open when steeping.

I believe that if a bottle was put into boiling or very hot water, there could be a danger of it bursting. Water boils at 225 degrees Fahrenheit. I can't prove it but I believe the laws of Physics back it up.

About it cooling too fast, what if the person steeping it decided to put 5 bottles at once into a hot pot. There are many scenarios where steeping with a closed cap could go wrong.

Haven't we all done bone headed things.

Agreed, no need to denigrate. I think you misunderstood me tomzgreat, I was honestly asking for evidence of someone bursting a bottle using the hot water bath method, not directly dismissing your warning. This forum is so large and so full of information that it could easily be there without me knowing about it, and I've read several threads on the method, and used it in many dozen mixes without concern of bursting a bottle. Your warning indicated that this sort of thing had happened before and you had direct knowledge of it, so I merely asked to be informed... not insulted




That I do not know with any certainty.




More than the hot water bath subjects it to. Even if the water is brought to boil before the bottle is placed, the heat will dissipate into the air much faster than it will into the juice in the bottle. So the water will be much cooler well before the juice is anywhere near the temperature the water was originally heated to.




Precisely

 

[bah-num]

Hi Bah Nun, I took your post the wrong way, my apologies, you were asking for information and I interpreted it differently. My Bad.

In the Diy forum, where I learned about steeping in warm-hot water, they always recommended the bottle be open for safety reasons, I was just passing on what I thought was common information.

This forum is used by many people, some quite inexperienced. There is the possibility that someone will experiment with boiling water, Microwaving etc.. So it's good advise to always recommend that the bottle be open when steeping.

I believe that if a bottle was put into boiling or very hot water, there could be a danger of it bursting. Water boils at 225 degrees Fahrenheit. I can't prove it but I believe the laws of Physics back it up.

About it cooling too fast, what if the person steeping it decided to put 5 bottles at once into a hot pot. There are many scenarios where steeping with a closed cap could go wrong.

Haven't we all done bone headed things.

Hey tomzgreat,

No worries The internet is ripe for misunderstanding, it's hard to gauge someones tone through quickly written posts on a forum. I'm probably just as guilty for jumping to conclusions Erring on the side of caution is always recommended, the temps I was recommending weren't all that hot (not so hot you couldn't drink it... THE WATER NOT THE JUICE LOL). I'm currently dissolving some vanillin crystals in a glass bottle in a mug of hot water... the water temp is consistently being refreshed to keep it hot to aid in the crystals in dissolving... the cap is off Definitely hotter than the hot water bath steeping method; too hot to even hold the bottle comfortably after removal. And since the resident expert Hoosier has chimed in, it's good to know that just hot tap water is sufficient for steeping, making the method even safer

 

[aurea]

I love ECF all in all we have great peeps! Even when we disagree or misunderstand one another we take the time to try and understand each other.

Truly this is one of the best forums I have ever seen on the internet! Not to mention y'all are just smarter than hell and full of good advice!

 

[favor1]

AMEN. Had a few do that IN MY MAILBOX when the temp was over 110 outside and who knows how hot in that box!

I heat it really high (near boiling) as I have the thick glass vials. They work really well if you want no hassles when you're warming liquid, although I don't think there's anything you could do about the time, some flavors just need a period of time before they are flavorful (mostly tobaccos).

 

[BL00RABB1T]

I've been steeping using the hot tap water method for a while now, and I've had NO problems....just vivid flavor!

 

[pizza2me]

I agree with hoosier and rabbit. No need to mess with microwave, etc. A hot cup of tap water does the trick. Once the water cools down. Repeat a couple times if you want.

 

[Jfresh859]

So I maybe found a new steeping method accidentally. I was checking my flavors over and left them out after falling asleep. Well they sat in front of my projector screen, and right in front of the heat vent. It gets just over 97, and they sat there for A few hours. Now it taste much better. Will be doing this again

 

[jeffjr464]

ok so i just ran my bottles under the tap for a couple minutes each and WOW, everything has popped bigtime, jokesmoke 3 mckool is so crazy i choked on it!!!!(in a good way), like a halls on crack!!!

 

[Rick_H]

I want to go back to the OP and give an AMEN! I've been trying the hot water method too. Only did it for a few minutes in very hot water (my bad) and then let them cool. Didn't seem to kick the flavor up much. I was probably too impatient for that method too. Steeping does suck but it is definitely needed! I would love to be able to mix my batches and know if it's good or not right away... Plus I usually wait until I'm low and get down to the ones I'm not so fond of so I feel a sense of urgency! Oh well, I still love DIY!!!

 

[Keekers]

People are steeping plastic bottles in a hot water bath? That has to be a bad idea. Pyrex glass on the other hand has not given me any problems

 

[dingo1799]

hot water steeping has done some weird things for my juices. i used to get all my juices from vapedudes, 50/50, extra flavor. i loved, loved, LOVED their cherry and original cheesecake. last batch i got i decided to try steeping, put them in a boiling pot of water caps off, removed from heat, let cool to room temp. it made the flavors change enough that the bottles have sat still 3/4 full for almost a month. i cant explain how or why it changed, but its different.

last week, i took the plunge into DIY, and followed a recipe from a friend. came out perfectly, decided to steep it with same method. the juice went from clear, to what it should look like after a 2 week steep according to him. i didnt really notice a taste difference between the batches (i made 2 30ml bottles, one hot water steeped, the other sat for a week and a half in a dark cabinet, cap off)

 

[BakuPeg]

I have a very unconventional way of steeping. No heating, No microwave, no hot water. When I get the idea for a new flavor I write it down, do research on that is "typical" for the flavor as to not go into chemically/stinky/purfumy range. I write the % down. Later convert it into mls. I mix 10-20 flavor combinations at a time, try to leave a couple drops for headroom, seal the bottles (caps on), print a label on them with the name and date they were mixed and stick them on a shelf. (every few days I sneak into the room and give them a shake). I made so many flavors for my husband by the time he gets to them it has been 3-4 weeks. I've stopped making them for awhile because Ive counted it will take him about 8 months to finish what Ive made so far and I don't want them to go bad. But I think Im starting to go crazy with these juices, I just wrote up 5 more recipes and bought 72 more bottles. There are always new combinations.

He tried my extremely cold mix and the TH nearly threw him across the room. Ive got to remember that one.

I think I'm going to send some to my mother as she recently started vaping. If he lets any of them go, he likes my juice.

 

[glassmanoak]

Hi Bah Nun, I took your post the wrong way, my apologies, you were asking for information and I interpreted it differently. My Bad.

In the Diy forum, where I learned about steeping in warm-hot water, they always recommended the bottle be open for safety reasons, I was just passing on what I thought was common information.

This forum is used by many people, some quite inexperienced. There is the possibility that someone will experiment with boiling water, Microwaving etc.. So it's good advise to always recommend that the bottle be open when steeping.

I believe that if a bottle was put into boiling or very hot water, there could be a danger of it bursting. Water boils at 225 degrees Fahrenheit. I can't prove it but I believe the laws of Physics back it up.

About it cooling too fast, what if the person steeping it decided to put 5 bottles at once into a hot pot. There are many scenarios where steeping with a closed cap could go wrong.

Haven't we all done bone headed things.

Just to be an a**hole, water boils at 212 degrees F at sea level (lower at higher altitudes)
But seriously, I do agree with not putting plastic into hot water, not to mention any possible labeling problems. Patience!

 

[zoiDman]

Just to be an a**hole, water boils at 212 degrees F at sea level (lower at higher altitudes)...

Yeah, and at Higher Temperatures at Higher Pressures.

Like inside a Sealed Bottle. Kinda the Pressure Cooker type thing. That or Black Magic.