Still not analog free...

[Jeann]

Hello all,

First post here, not new to vaping tho. Both my better half and I started vaping in january this year. Hardware-wise we are very happy with the Reo Mini with a standard 510 atty. Liquid-wise however we are struggling.

PG for me turned out to give more acid into my musles and basically I do fine with about any VG liquid so far. After trying an 18mg nic liquid (used to use 16mg) I experienced less use of analogs, so I quess thats my way to go on at lowering my analog use.

As for my partner it's more complicated, so far the only liquid he seems to do well on is EcoPure Rich from Intellicig. All other liquids so far makes his stomage protest badly (blowing up with air and pains). So now am thinking what is causing this, still traces of PG or maybe something the chineese use in their liquids? Even tho he likes the taste a lot, after exclusively vaping this for at least 7 or 8 months in a row he is losing interest in it. Also I think he need more nic, but first I need to find a solution for his stomage. By now he's almost fully back on the analogs

 

[jonathanxx]

I can't really help you but good luck finding him a juice that will get him off regular ciggy.

 

[Illuminatu]

Have you considered DIY and making 100% VG juices ? that might be helpfull to find your flavor and restrict the PG reaction ! not to mention that DIY is much cheaper than buying pre-mixed juices

 

[Mindfield]

I would second some DIY action. It's really not all that hard. I've been DIYing for a little over a week or so and have been having some fun with it. With DIY you get to control almost every aspect of what goes into your juice, so you can choose an all-VG juice, add whatever strength nicotine you need, and choose the flavours from the flavouring company/ies of your choice, most of whom list the ingredients of their flavourings. (Make you you do not get any flavourings with any oils or emulsions.)

This method too could help you pinpoint exactly what it is that may be giving you or your partner issues and then eliminate that from your recipes.

 

[kittypie]

Check out Virgin Vapor dot com for some very good 100% VG juices...all organic, and she has one flavor that uses Ecopure and is working on others.

 

[Jeann]

thank you all for your answers. starting to think about DIY indeed, so far I stayed away from it as I can totally loose myself in that kind of thing, witch is not so good for rl, hehe. went to look at intellicig, they also sell the basic liquids ecopure krystal and ecomix, then i only have to add flavours. Virgin Vapor looks great, will i be able to pay with paypall there? i don't have a cc...

 

[swedishfish]

I would experiment with sample sizes of juice in varying nicotine strengths.

It's a wonder anyone was able to smoke actual cigarettes with all of the problems they seem to have with pvs. There is glycerol and propylene glycol in cigarettes. I think less than 10% of people have an actual allergy to PG. But some people find it irritating. If your partner has food allergies, it could even be the VG, or some of the flavoring in the juice.

Try unflavored base and up the nicotine, if he really wants to vape.

Personally, if it was a choice between gas and smoking cigarettes, I'd chose gas. But that's me. When I changed my diet to less fat and more fiber my system rebelled a bit too. But it stopped when I adapted.

Maybe some of his issues are nicotine withdraw.

 

[Boodle]

You might try a nic base from RTSvapor or BoxElderChemicalSupply in a pure VG solution. Their nicotine extraction is done in the US. You can cut it with pure VG (they sell that too) and create a flavorless e-liquid in 5 minutes or less. You'll need to add some distilled water as a thinner. VG is very thick. The DIYers are fabulous. They can help you help your hubby. Vaping flavorless isn't bad at all. Tastes worlds better than a burning cigarette. DIY e-liquid

If you don't want to hassle with that, you could go to commercial supplier like kickbassvapor.com. Put a juice in your cart. In the notes tell them you want unflavored 100% VG in whatever nic level he needs instead. It'll come ready to vape. I did that with them with good results. Hope you find a solution for him soon.

 

[Nik-Lux]

Only thing about getting all VG juice is, the flavor extracts are usually carried in PG, then they just add flavor to the VG. So you are not really getting all VG. I'd check with whoever you order from and ask if they have flavorings based in all VG.

 

[Nik-Lux]

By the way, I'm curious... how are you getting more acid in your muscles? Or how did you come about that info?

 

[swedishfish]

Only thing about getting all VG juice is, the flavor extracts are usually carried in PG, then they just add flavor to the VG. So you are not really getting all VG. I'd check with whoever you order from and ask if they have flavorings based in all VG.

I think the one they are using, the EcoPure is 100% PG. Expensive, but supposed to be good juice.

I ordered it for my Mom when she first started vaping and I thought she was having issues with PG. Heck, anytime someone mentions they have an issue vaping, 10 people post that it's from PG so that's what I thought.

She felt even worse, and realized it was actually the VG. I also get a heaviness in my chest from too much VG.

When I think back, I think most of the problems really weren't PG or VG but just flat out from quitting smoking. Sometimes it is the PG as people can attest to. But a lot of people are sent on a wild goose chase when it might be a problem that will resolve itself. Get small bottles of both and see which one you do best with.

 

[nullistic]

I just started vaping again (tried about a year ago and couldn't go more than a day) I am now using an ego which gives better vapor density for me which helps stay away from analogs. Biggest thing I have found that works (now 9 days analog free) was to not use any tobacco flavors this time, I am just using fruit like grape, apple etc and have no analog cravings.

 

[DaveP]

By the way, I'm curious... how are you getting more acid in your muscles? Or how did you come about that info?

It's production of lactic acid that occurs when you work out and exercise. Somehow, PG can trigger a little lactic acid production increase and make your muscles a little achy at first. Drinking lots of water flushes it out of your system. Eventually equilibrium occurs and it gets better.

 

[Taegost]

I'm almost a week analog free, and about 3 weeks after a drastic reduction of analogs after getting back into trying out vaping... I found this time around, a higher level of nicotine worked for me. I started with 6mg, then tried 16mg, but just couldn't do it... Now with 24-26mg, I'm perfectly content.
I'd maybe try increasing the nicotine content and see if that helps you... As for your partner, I'm not sure I have any advice on that except to try the DIY like someone else mentioned.

 

[nullistic]

......Now with 24-26mg, I'm perfectly content.
........

I found that going 24-26mg was really the "sweet spot" to avoid cravings as well.

 

[dormouse]

I think you mean VG. Isn't Ecopure 100% VG? That would certainly give me gas and bloating.

The times I get gas, heartburn, bloating are from VG.

With PG the main issue is the skin irritation of nicotine. PG lets through flavor, nicotine's TH and nicotine's irritation the best. 18mg 100% PG would give me a sore numb tongue (felt like the burn you get after taking a swallow of too-hot cocoa). Some people get sore throat or even lungs with medium or high nic in 100% PG. So I used juices with 20-30% VG to get rid of the irritation, and now that I use cartomizers and am on lower nic, I use 0-20% VG. VG adds some nice vapor but I know it causes me to burp etc. If you don't get nicotine irritation with 100% PG then it's fine. Some people are more sensitive to nicotine's irritation.

Re analogs - some suggestions

- Pay attention to how different flavors/aromas make you feel. Some people can't vape food flavor juices when they start vaping and get an analog craving as if they had just eaten. Some can't vape tobacco flavors or they get an urge for the real thing. Some are satisfied by any flavor. If any type of flavor leaves you with cravings, don't vape that kind of flavor alone yet.

- Don't buy your fave cigarettes. For emergencies buy a brand you don't like. Never smoke one unless you try vaping first. If possible put the cigarettes and lighter in the trunk of your car in a plastic bag. if you smoke real cigarettes while at a bar or something, then consider Boge cartomizers and fill a couple up with different stronger flavors, maybe a strong tobacco or whatever would replace cigarettes for you. Reos are gorgeous but I could not vape the same flavor over and over. Maybe you need some variety. And remember - cigarettes have chemicals that make nicotine more addictive. You won't be rid of that until you stop them.

- Buy an overnight ecig or spare battery. Leave your ecig set up overnight - no stress at bed time and ready to vape in the morning.

 

[Jeann]

yeh, don't think we're really allergic, it's more due to have some chronical issues that is worsend by PG, well at least for me, as i have lactic acid problems in my muscles to begin with, PG falls apart in the same acid so things get worse, then i feel like cycling up hill all the time.

as for my partner, he has a diaphragm rupture, so extra gas... other then that i think he does have a sensetive digestive system or a food allergy, we're still puzzling on that one. the docter was a dead end, so we have to figure it out ourselves... for him am not even sure anymore if it is the PG, as he gets the same reaction on chineese premix VG liquids. if there is still some PG in it his reaction to it would at least be less then with 100% PG. or he should be very very allergic, in witch case he should have way more symtoms of allergy, just my logic.

yes, the more i think about it, DIY with ecopure as a base may be a good and fast solution to begin with. think ill go to look into that a bit more. and yes, flavourless isnt indeed bad at all, had a PG version of it back then.

been analog free for 3 months, it wasn't easy, and when a bunch of stress came along i was almost fully back on analogs ( a pack a day)...and now with 16mg i smoke bout 5-10 cigs and with 18mg 5 or even less....i was on 16 mg coz with 24mg i got dizzy and headaches so i thought it was too high for me, maybe i should go to 20mg...dunno, sound so much.

thanks again for all the advises.
...and now going to read dormouse's post...

 

[Jeann]

I think you mean VG. Isn't Ecopure 100% VG?

yes it is, and it's ingredients are kept to a bare minimum to keep it pure so to say. the taste is like you hate it or love it. downsides it can only be stocked for 1 year (most can for 2 years) and it is kinda less stable, less be messed around with, doesn't do well on all atty's, that kind of thing.

That would certainly give me gas and bloating.

The times I get gas, heartburn, bloating are from VG.

so far it's the only one that doesn't bloat him up...

anyone happen to have tryed PG400?
would that be an option?

With PG the main issue is the skin irritation of nicotine. PG lets through flavor, nicotine's TH and nicotine's irritation the best. 18mg 100% PG would give me a sore numb tongue (felt like the burn you get after taking a swallow of too-hot cocoa). Some people get sore throat or even lungs with medium or high nic in 100% PG. So I used juices with 20-30% VG to get rid of the irritation, and now that I use cartomizers and am on lower nic, I use 0-20% VG. VG adds some nice vapor but I know it causes me to burp etc. If you don't get nicotine irritation with 100% PG then it's fine. Some people are more sensitive to nicotine's irritation.

that i so regognize.....

need more thinking to do on all this

Re analogs - some suggestions

- Pay attention to how different flavors/aromas make you feel. Some people can't vape food flavor juices when they start vaping and get an analog craving as if they had just eaten. Some can't vape tobacco flavors or they get an urge for the real thing. Some are satisfied by any flavor. If any type of flavor leaves you with cravings, don't vape that kind of flavor alone yet.

- Don't buy your fave cigarettes. For emergencies buy a brand you don't like. Never smoke one unless you try vaping first. If possible put the cigarettes and lighter in the trunk of your car in a plastic bag. if you smoke real cigarettes while at a bar or something, then consider Boge cartomizers and fill a couple up with different stronger flavors, maybe a strong tobacco or whatever would replace cigarettes for you. Reos are gorgeous but I could not vape the same flavor over and over. Maybe you need some variety. And remember - cigarettes have chemicals that make nicotine more addictive. You won't be rid of that until you stop them.

- Buy an overnight ecig or spare battery. Leave your ecig set up overnight - no stress at bed time and ready to vape in the morning.

great tips!

we both mostly vape tabacco flavours, at first we also liked the sweet and fruity tasts, but mainly aside, with low nic, just as candy so to say. however it died out, and now vape only tabacco flavours.

 

[mlinky]

- Pay attention to how different flavors/aromas make you feel. Some people can't vape food flavor juices when they start vaping and get an analog craving as if they had just eaten. Some can't vape tobacco flavors or they get an urge for the real thing. Some are satisfied by any flavor. If any type of flavor leaves you with cravings, don't vape that kind of flavor alone yet.

Dormose, THIS needs repeating...finding the right flavor is probably harder than anything else about vaping. I am personally in the category of: tobacco flavor, close, but not close enough...I want the real thing; bakery flavors, I just had dessert, I want a cig. I found that I like spice and fruit, preferrably with menthol.

That is why it is really important to order juice samplers of all types when you first start.

Also, don't be afraid of "high" nicotine. As a smoker, the one area in which you are inherently a "vaping expert" is self-regulation of nicotine.

 

[Jeann]

ur right that did need repeating...

my all day vape was gold&silver from hangsen, however the webshop i used to order stopped with this brand. so i shopped around and tried some samples and found usa mix from dekang to be a good all day vape, and not only that, it stop my cravings way better. yesterday the new bottles arrived

also as i smoke menthols i took a dive into my vape-box and found 2 brand new bottles of menthol tabacco's i forgot about...tried the dromedary menthol from hangsen, very nice vape, more like a minty tho, made me crave those after 8 minty choclets

as for the ecopure rich, my partners all day vape, allthough i like it too, it doesn't do a thing for me when it comes to the cravings, i thought it was for the lower nic (15mg when i use 16mg, now going to 18mg) but it also it's not even close to a cig for me. i think it must be the same for him, even when he is a light smoker.

really, u both have learned me to pay more attention on the effect a liquid has, byond the good/bad taste thing, thank you so much.

as for the nicotine, i also found 48mg nic base in my vape box, so gonna experiment with that too

as for the DIY, did quite some research on it, biggest problem is to find me some tabacco flavours without PG, so far i haven't, at least not in the shops i'll be able to order. but there is hope at the horizon, as i found some good reviews on flavour on this forum. those flavours are very strong so you don't need much of it, so that's worth a try. other then that, going to buy me some different base liquids and try them flavourless first on my partner and see witch is good for him, and then try them with flavour...

that's the plan, i just will not give up on quitting analogs