I think if anyone's breaking any laws it's most probably the seller - although don't quote me on that
coinmaster, I am a seller/supplier ... LOL
Strange way to pay.
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coinmaster, I am a seller/supplier ... LOL
coinmaster, I am a seller/supplier ... LOL
Yah, I can see that cash - lol
However, is the purchaser the one who should check through paypal terms and conditions to see if they are actually allowed to purchase said item? I would have thought the seller would be the one who needs to ensure they are abiding by the rules in offering their product for sale via paypal. Either way, as long as it works and Janty are able to get around it using this payment method, I'm happy.
Just be thankful you don't live here in NZ, where it's not even legal to sell nicotine cartridges 8-o - thankfully we can purchase for personal use internationally though.
Coin, he's not concerned about whether he's in violation if he buys from Ludo, he's concerned he may be in violation because he sells cartridges on his own site, which Ludo says isn't allowed.
Thanks for the clarification Leaford
I'm just new here, so once I get used to all you guys - who you are and what you do, I won't make such a dufus of myself! Well, that's the plan anyway! @ Cash, best you go and comb through the Paypal terms then
paypal dont mince around when it comes to freezing accounts. i wonder if nicotine counts as tobacco. you could check to see if anyone is selling insecticide using paypal, if they are and they ever freeze your account that would serve as a means for appeal, though appealing to paypal is a dog's bollix in itself. they want yo money honey.
Meet the PayPal mafia
Meet the PayPal mafia
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Can we not upset the good folks at JantyUSA, fellows?!
I've been buying my carts from e-smokey-treats (heh heh...strawberry!) and menthol from Puresmoker, but after all this talk about Janty, I got curious and ordered some of his classic RY4 carts the other day.
Got them in the mail tonight (and like he said--a free box). I didn't pay anything for shipping then if he includes a free box?!
Ludo, thanks for the fast service & I like your RY4 blend!
I've been buying my carts from e-smokey-treats (heh heh...strawberry!) and menthol from Puresmoker, but after all this talk about Janty, I got curious and ordered some of his classic RY4 carts the other day.
Got them in the mail tonight (and like he said--a free box). I didn't pay anything for shipping then if he includes a free box?!
Ludo, thanks for the fast service & I like your RY4 blend!
EXACTLY!
one chargeback from a client complaining to PP about "they sent me the wrong taste of nicotine liquid" and the suppliers PP account gets frozen for 180 days.
One more thing you should know about PP...
PP records the following information from you when you log in to our PP account:
- the last 3 website url's you visited before logging into PP
- the next url you will visit after logging out of PP
what does this mean for a supplier (this one's for you Cashmere):
For example, they record you surfing on e-cigarette- forum then logging into your own suppliers website to make some changes - then logging into PP- then surfing to e-cigarette-forum again... after a while they will come and check your website and when they see all these beautiful LIQUIDS and CARTRIDGES and DENSITIES... well you know the result.
For example a customer does a charge back... PP checks your website.. and again same result.
what does this mean for a customer AND supplier:
You will both not see your money back for the next 180 days
Both IP adresses are recorded and put on a list of suspicious PP clients.
Suppliers cannot open PP account anymore (IP address registered)
The reason why other suppliers have not been caught yet, is just a matter of time.
Selling nicotine is in violation of PP policy because it is considered a tobacco product and prescription drug. Whatever you say - however they are wrong - YOU CANNOT DISCUSS WITH PP. They are almighty and as far as chargebacks is concerned, they are NOT under the banking law, so they can just keep your money for 180 days, close your account, they can basically do whatever they like...
I hope you understand now, WHY we do what we do the way we do it.
Putting this info is not really smart either but since he thread has started already,....
Ow and one more thing::::
do not try to log into your PP account from another IP address as the one you used to set up your account... they will freeze it to until you prove you are the owner of that account, by providing fax copies of your ID card and latest utility bill... this take a week or up to 10 days to process in some cases!!!
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Can we not upset the good folks at JantyUSA, fellows?!
I've been buying my carts from e-smokey-treats (heh heh...strawberry!) and menthol from Puresmoker, but after all this talk about Janty, I got curious and ordered some of his classic RY4 carts the other day.
Got them in the mail tonight (and like he said--a free box). I didn't pay anything for shipping then if he includes a free box?!
Ludo, thanks for the fast service & I like your RY4 blend!
It was not my intention to upset anyone. I was just commenting on my purchasing experience.ie the way I used pay pal to make the payment. After all it is my money. It would be a real pain if we cant pay for these products with pay pal as it is my preferred method of payment online. As to pay pals policy of payments for nicotine products I cant comment because I don’t know. I do know they have some rigid rules about tobacco products prescription and illegal drugs.
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interesting ludo, but i dont understand how you can avoid a user complaining to paypal that "i was sent the wrong nicotene concentration etc" by using your method. wouldnt any complaint of this nature alert them to your website anyway or are you, by not accepting paypal outright, legally circumventing their EULA....anyway it all seems like another reason why we should all not be using the paypal mafia to conduct our affairs.
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Must admit i also was worried in the way its done over at janty but can confirm that my order has gone well and ludo was as helpful as ever.
I for one take my hat off to ludo for hanging around this place answering all the questions we throw at him, no matter how trivial or sometimes down right stupid.
Keep up the good work ludo
I for one take my hat off to ludo for hanging around this place answering all the questions we throw at him, no matter how trivial or sometimes down right stupid.
Keep up the good work ludo
ditto. i have said that before, any seller willing to participate in the forum, leaves him/herself open to all manner of questions and gets my thumbs-up. it takes a bit of bravery. granted, this forum is a good marketing tool, but it can go against you. personally, i dont like to buy from sellers who lurk or use anonymous aliases on principle, though sometimes i am compelled. 
sorry for the semi-offtopic, but I can't resist
This is absolutely impossible without using tracking software installed on your PC. Even with that one, no legit company would dare to do it.
Any site can record the previous site you visited ONLY if you get to paypal using a link on that site and the next site ONLY if you clicked a link on the paypal page that takes you to that site. There is no way for any internet site to record previous and next site you visit, for example, using your bookmarks or by typing something in the address bar.
This one is possible but very unlikely. I had to do that only once when I first set up my account. Since then I used it from at least 20 IPs plus 2 months from a dynamic connection and never had to change/confirm anything. Also I know many ppl using dynamic IPs with personal/business accounts that had no problems of this kind.
Anyway, this wasn't related to your initial issue, so I appologise again, but I felt I need to mention these.
This is absolutely impossible without using tracking software installed on your PC. Even with that one, no legit company would dare to do it.
Any site can record the previous site you visited ONLY if you get to paypal using a link on that site and the next site ONLY if you clicked a link on the paypal page that takes you to that site. There is no way for any internet site to record previous and next site you visit, for example, using your bookmarks or by typing something in the address bar.
This one is possible but very unlikely. I had to do that only once when I first set up my account. Since then I used it from at least 20 IPs plus 2 months from a dynamic connection and never had to change/confirm anything. Also I know many ppl using dynamic IPs with personal/business accounts that had no problems of this kind.
Anyway, this wasn't related to your initial issue, so I appologise again, but I felt I need to mention these.
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sorry for the semi-offtopic, but I can't resist
Originally Posted by Ludo
PP records the following information from you when you log in to our PP account:
- the last 3 website url's you visited before logging into PP
- the next url you will visit after logging out of PP
This is absolutely impossible without using tracking software installed on your PC. Even with that one, no legit company would dare to do it.
Actualy there are ways that browsing history is tracked through the browser and servers... that's another post for another forum though. The important part is just to apply some basic computer security and a small dash of paranoia. The InPrivate feature of the new Iexplorer sounds like it may fit the bill here.
Not true. No site can read my browsing history; no site can read another site's cookies. There is no way a site can query my browser for these. If I have a clean PC (without spyware/adware/viruses) there is no way a site can do all these. Even so, if I'm infected with malware, to know my browsing history, that site has to have a relation with the owner of that particular malware I am infected with, which is unlikely and illegal.
InPrivate feature just deletes your browsing history (and doesn't do a very good job). It is meant to keep your browsing habits private from someone who's looking into your PC.
This site gives a technique that sites could use to see if you've visited a particular website.
Jeremiah Grossman: I know where you've been
It won't give them information about any site you've visited, but it does show that it is possible to discover a few things about a user's browsing history. This isn't quite the same thing Ludo was talking about though.
As for Paypal tracking the site you visit after leaving Paypal, yes, that is impossible, based on what I know about how the interwebs work.
All that aside, though, I must vouch for Janty (USA). I've purchased cartridges and liquid from them so far, and each transaction has gone smoothly. Well, maybe not smoothly, but they've certainly taken good care of me.
They mixed up my first order. I emailed them about it and they apologized, and then sent me a ton of free cartridges to make up for the mistake. I basically ended up with double what I ordered.
Also, like other people here, I got a free box of cartridges with my nic-liquid order that I received today. I'm not saying they'll always do that, but it was a nice surprise.
Janty's liquid and customer service are both excellent, in my opinion.
My Dad was all set to get a Yentyl when he came across the odd ordering process. It turned him off and he decided to go with a DSE901 from PureSmoker.com once they are back in stock.
I can understand Ludo's concerns -- I am a freelancer and have heard horror stories about PayPal from other freelancers (although to date I have not had any issues with them).
Perhaps an explanation on the website would allay any concerns from shoppers. When I first encountered the Janty ordering process, I just thought they were slow on implementing PayPal ordering or something. Honestly, it turned me off as well.
There are other online payment solutions such as escrow.com and lots of others. PayPal is in no way the only one, and the others will let you you a standard credit/debit card, no fund transferring or anything like that. Might be something to look into.
I can understand Ludo's concerns -- I am a freelancer and have heard horror stories about PayPal from other freelancers (although to date I have not had any issues with them).
Perhaps an explanation on the website would allay any concerns from shoppers. When I first encountered the Janty ordering process, I just thought they were slow on implementing PayPal ordering or something. Honestly, it turned me off as well.
There are other online payment solutions such as escrow.com and lots of others. PayPal is in no way the only one, and the others will let you you a standard credit/debit card, no fund transferring or anything like that. Might be something to look into.
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