Sub ohm build not producing the clouds

[brickfollett]

It's probably because it's 32 gauge. Personally I get all the satisfaction I need from dual coils, and single coils can do the trick just fine. Quad's just seem like a show to me personally lol. But yeah, you'll probably have to get it down to below .5 ohms on a quad to be successful.

Definitely pick up some 28 and 26 gauge. 26 takes a while longer to spool up, but dang once it's going it just can't be stopped. I'm currently using dual 28 gauge coils over 1/16" bit, 8 wraps, .49 ohms on my Reo+Modified bottom fed Trident V2. Working like a charm

 

[Anubuk]

Thanks for the help. Only wanted to try the quads because I could, they seem like overkill. Until I get my 26g in the mail I will try winding 2 strands of 32g together before coiling and see how that works. I am going to stick with single and dual coil. And I have to watch the airflow. Here is hoping for some big clouds.

 

[skimmer02]

It's probably because it's 32 gauge. Personally I get all the satisfaction I need from dual coils, and single coils can do the trick just fine. Quad's just seem like a show to me personally lol. But yeah, you'll probably have to get it down to below .5 ohms on a quad to be successful.

Definitely pick up some 28 and 26 gauge. 26 takes a while longer to spool up, but dang once it's going it just can't be stopped. I'm currently using dual 28 gauge coils over 1/16" bit, 8 wraps, .49 ohms on my Reo+Modified bottom fed Trident V2. Working like a charm

Hey, how did you mod the Trident V2, Dremel a slot in the bottom pin I assume, how did you handle the center post assembly, is that just pressed in?

 

[ADLinATL]

I'd say its because your using a fuse. Take the fuse out and try it.

 

[Anubuk]

How can the fuse affect it? My understanding is the fuse doesn't do anything till you reach 7 amps then it will cut the battery flow so you can't vape, just like short protection in a regulated mod. According to a ohms calculator I wasn't hitting anywhere near 7 amps.

 

[weinner]

That's why your not getting clouds though, but if your knew to wrapping coils and have a fuse it's probably a good idea to use it until your comfortable with your technique.

 

[edyle]

How can the fuse affect it? My understanding is the fuse doesn't do anything till you reach 7 amps then it will cut the battery flow so you can't vape, just like short protection in a regulated mod. According to a ohms calculator I wasn't hitting anywhere near 7 amps.

The fuse does add some resistance; maybe it's 0.1 ohms or something, but it could be significant if you are using low ohm coils.

Check if the fuse is getting hot.

 

[k75srider]

Nemesis, Helios, 1.2 ohm dual coil made with 32 gauge around a 1/16 drill bit, wicked with organic cotton = impressive vape production on a+ ohm build. It's all in the details as preveiosly stated. Keep trying.

 

[brickfollett]

Hey, how did you mod the Trident V2, Dremel a slot in the bottom pin I assume, how did you handle the center post assembly, is that just pressed in?

I didn't, I sent it to another member on the forum who did it for me. He slotted the bottom of the 510 and drilled diagonal holes up top

 

[Anubuk]

Nemesis, Helios, 1.2 ohm dual coil made with 32 gauge around a 1/16 drill bit, wicked with organic cotton = impressive vape production on a+ ohm build. It's all in the details as preveiosly stated. Keep trying.

I am going to try it again. How many wraps do you use? With 6/7 I get a 1.4 ohm (2 coils), so am thinking about doing 5/6. I made several duals last night, same wraps and bit but they still didn't fire in unison. One was always a second or two behind. Guess I have to keep practicing.

 

[Coelli]

I am going to try it again. How many wraps do you use? With 6/7 I get a 1.4 ohm (2 coils), so am thinking about doing 5/6. I made several duals last night, same wraps and bit but they still didn't fire in unison. One was always a second or two behind. Guess I have to keep practicing.

To get them to fire evenly, you really have to get them so they're almost perfectly identical. Torch your wire before wrapping, it helps remove some of the springiness. Make sure the legs are the same length from the coil to the connection posts. It can be frustrating but when they light up at the same time, you will feel a great sense of victory.

 

[anumber1]

I'd say its because your using a fuse. Take the fuse out and try it.

That is not correct. The fuse does not limit current. It simply shuts down anything over 7 amps.

A fuse is an excellent idea when drawing less than 7 amps(which the op is). A fuse is Especially Useful for a novice.

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[Anubuk]

That is not correct. The fuse does not limit current. It simply shuts down anything over 7 amps.

That is what I thought. For what it is worth I wasn't planning on taking it out. I am still new to this so I would rather be safe than sorry. Even if I wasn't new I still don't see the point of taking it out unless you plan to go over 7 amps which after using an ohm calculator I doubt I ever will. Might get close though. From my understanding of fuses they only do something when the current has reached or exceeded their rating limit and at that point they blow in order to disconnect the power to avoid danger. Granted I am not a electrician but I didn't think fuses actually control the current, just monitor it.

The fuse does add some resistance; maybe it's 0.1 ohms or something, but it could be significant if you are using low ohm coils.

And if it did add to the resistance couldn't you just compensate for this when building the coil? That seems safer than taking the fuse out altogether.

 

[edyle]

Quote Originally Posted by Anubuk View Post
How can the fuse affect it? My understanding is the fuse doesn't do anything till you reach 7 amps then it will cut the battery flow so you can't vape, just like short protection in a regulated mod. According to a ohms calculator I wasn't hitting anywhere near 7 amps.

The fuse does add some resistance; maybe it's 0.1 ohms or something, but it could be significant if you are using low ohm coils.

Check if the fuse is getting hot.

And if it did add to the resistance couldn't you just compensate for this when building the coil? That seems safer than taking the fuse out altogether.

There is no IF about the resistance of the fuse. The fuse has a resistance. The question is : how much resistance does the fuse have.

You asked "How can the fuse affect it?"
I answered: The fuse has a resistance.

Please note, I never suggested taking out the fuse; and I never suggested subohming either.

 

[Anubuk]

Please note, I never suggested taking out the fuse; and I never suggested subohming either.

It was a post earlier in the thread that suggested taking it out. If you read it all you will see that I am not just responding to you. I was addressing the subject with everyones input.

ADLinATL said

I'd say its because your using a fuse. Take the fuse out and try it.

And then anumber1 said

Quote Originally Posted by ADLinATL View Post
I'd say its because your using a fuse. Take the fuse out and try it.
That is not correct. The fuse does not limit current. It simply shuts down anything over 7 amps.

A fuse is an excellent idea when drawing less than 7 amps(which the op is). A fuse is Especially Useful for a novice.

okay once we know how much resistance the fuse has couldn't we just build the coil to compensate for the difference? Fuses don't typically carry high resistances, probably with more research I could narrow down the amount fairly close to the actual.

okay reread posts.

edyle, you think .1 resistance then. okay compensation question again. Also fuse is not hot, nothing getting hot.

 

[edyle]

It was a post earlier in the thread that suggested taking it out. If you read it all you will see that I am not just responding to you. I was addressing the subject with everyones input.

ADLinATL said


And then anumber1 said




okay once we know how much resistance the fuse has couldn't we just build the coil to compensate for the difference? Fuses don't typically carry high resistances, probably with more research I could narrow down the amount fairly close to the actual.

okay reread posts.

edyle, you think .1 resistance then. okay compensation question again. Also fuse is not hot, nothing getting hot.

Ok, so if the fuse isn't getting hot that's good;
btw, is it the resetable fuse or the ordinary fuse?

 

[Anubuk]

I bought 3 fuses. 2 ordinary and 1 resettable. 2 different sites, all smoktech. The resettable was only $2 more (the brand Vapesafe resettable fuses are $20) and looks exactly the same as the regular ones. All the numbers are the same. So I think the one site didn't know what they were selling. In that case ordinary.

One slight difference is the raised round thing in the center, the ordinary is smooth and the resettable is rough. But that is probably just a manufacturing thing.

 

[Anubuk]

Alright. A dual coil at 1.0 ohms. Both 5/6 wraps micro, exactly the same, positioned right at the airholes, both the same distance from the posts.

It has worked. Clouds like none I have ever exhaled. 1.0 is perfect. Might try .8 just to do it. I cannot see needing to go lower, I think it would ruin the flavor and be harsh. The taste is still there but whoo, the nicotine. I actually got a buzz. Will drip with a 6mg next time so I don't ramp myself up. Maybe even as low as a 3mg.

I know subohming isn't necessary but since I started vaping I have wanted to try everything. Plus I like building coils and tinkering in general. With more learning and skills acquired I would love to build my own box mod.

Does go through juice faster so won't be doing this all the time. Might use juices I only kinda like so I am not going through my good stuff too quick. Will probably raise it up to 1.2 when I get my kraken clone to save on juice. Only when I use the kraken on the mech even though my vv/vw mods can handle the 1.2 ohms.

Thanks everyone for your help.

I still am curious about the fuse thing edyle. Thanks again.