Sub Ohm Vaping ... I don't get it

[Hobbs]

This post is not a slam of sub-ohm vaping. Product releases in 2015 alone, speak to the popularity and "charm" of sub-ohming and to each his own. I just don't get it. Rather, I can't find a sweet spot for MY equipment for Me ... and am somewhat frustrated.

The density, flavor and cool temperature of 1.5-1.8 ohm low wattage draws are what I'm happy with but sincerely would like to explore sub-ohm to see what it has to offer ... and I've tried ... and tried it ... with MY equipment. And I've tried both Ni and Ti.

What I found:
1) Sub-ohm is said to extend the life and usage of battery and liquid. I've found the opposite to be true.
2) Sub-ohm vapor is hotter and less flavorful at the same vapor density as 1.5-1.8 ohm low wattage vape.
3) The evenness and duration of the draw must be more precise and seconds longer, when sub-ohming to achieve the same satisfaction as 1.5-1.8 ohm low wattage vape.
4) Sub-ohming and a wide bore drip tip dries the mouth and throat out really quick ... not nice.

This evening I tried 0.15 TC-Ni at 23 watts and 480*F and found that to be as sweet a spot as it gets for me. And yes, I locked in the resistance at room temp. Apparently most settings higher in watts or degrees gets too damn hot and spits and sputters back at me, fowling my drip tip PDQ.

But I digress ... I'm a newbie vapester and MAYBE I'm just not doing something right. With that in mind, I ordered a simpler mod than what I have that is also capable of sub-ohm in hopes of finding what I'm missing about sub-ohm vape.

SOooo, an Aspire Odyssey Mini pegasus kit is on the way to me. At least I should be able to MTL or Lung draw, sub-ohm or not on the this Mini ... and since there is no wattage adjustment on this unit in sub-ohm ... maybe the algorithm of whatever controls the device will forgive this noob. I just refuse to give up on sub-ohm just yet.

Anyway, here is a pic of my meager collection thus far. I think I've mastered the 1.5-1.8 stuff but the the sub-ohm stuff isn't pleasing to me and I've even tried all sorts of different drip tips and settings on MY equipment. As a noob and considering the popularity of sub-ohm I am inclined to think maybe I'm just missing something.

Any advice hints tips are greatly appreciated. Thanks !!!

 

[Hobbs]

Any suggested watts and temp settings I might try with either Ni or Ti on the Eleaf TC60W are greatly appreicated. Thanks

 

[Enoch777]

Have you tried wrapping kanthal coils around .5 ohm and run them at 30ish watts in power mode? Maybe post a pic of your build and elaborate on your airflow settings.

I really have no experience with temp control builds, I've only recently just purchased a mod that has the capability, but I've been sub-ohming for over 2 years (back when it was pretty much the only choice to push your wattages higher than 10-20). Sub-ohm isn't inherently temp control. I think maybe you're getting the two confused.

I prefer it around .3 ohm @ 29ish watts with a medium airflow. As with increasing your efficiency and vapor production it's typically a good idea to open up the airflow incrementally until you find that new sweet spot where the TH/Flavor is just right for you.

That's what I would tweak if it were me. Also check to see if your device is using ramp up and try a different setting there.

 

[Wake'n'Vape]

I don't think anyone ever said sub-ohming extends battery usage and allows you to use less e-liquid - like you said it's the exact opposite.

I use a nautilus with 1.8 coil aswell as a variety of RDAs with .3.-.5 coils, it just comes down to personal preference as they are 2 very different ways to vape. Sub-ohm doesn't have to produce very hot vapour - it depends what kind of build and power you are using.

 

[LMS62]

 

[Hermit's Kid]

Any suggested watts and temp settings I might try with either Ni or Ti on the Eleaf TC60W are greatly appreicated. Thanks

I just barely got my TC today, and I'm loving it thus far. I'm using the titanium coil at 30W, 470*F, airflow about a third of the way open. With these settings I find the flavor to be phenomenal, vapor to be adequate, and the temp not too hot. However, as you mentioned, the battery and liquid are gone faster than I can blink.

By way of comparison, I use my eGo ONE VT with titanium at 430*F, airflow halfway open. I have no clue what wattage that thing runs at--can't find that info anywhere--but my best guess would be 25-30. Also blow through battery and liquid on this one.

I just can't see going back to my EVODs and the 1.8ohm coils, though. The flavor and vapor are both soooo much better on the sub-ohms.

 

[Fresh kevin]

Who told you sub ohming extends battery life and uses less juice?

 

[Douggro]

Any suggested watts and temp settings I might try with either Ni or Ti on the Eleaf TC60W are greatly appreicated. Thanks

Try wattage in the 35-40 range; start in the low 400's for temp, moving the temp up to find a vape you like.
DON'T run it at 60W. Trust me.

 

[Izan]

This post is not a slam of sub-ohm vaping. Product releases in 2015 alone, speak to the popularity and "charm" of sub-ohming and to each his own. I just don't get it. Rather, I can't find a sweet spot for MY equipment for Me ... and am somewhat frustrated.

The density, flavor and cool temperature of 1.5-1.8 ohm low wattage draws are what I'm happy with but sincerely would like to explore sub-ohm to see what it has to offer ... and I've tried ... and tried it ... with MY equipment. And I've tried both Ni and Ti.

What I found:
1) Sub-ohm is said to extend the life and usage of battery and liquid. I've found the opposite to be true.
2) Sub-ohm vapor is hotter and less flavorful at the same vapor density as 1.5-1.8 ohm low wattage vape.
3) The evenness and duration of the draw must be more precise and seconds longer, when sub-ohming to achieve the same satisfaction as 1.5-1.8 ohm low wattage vape.
4) Sub-ohming and a wide bore drip tip dries the mouth and throat out really quick ... not nice.

This evening I tried 0.15 TC-Ni at 23 watts and 480*F and found that to be as sweet a spot as it gets for me. And yes, I locked in the resistance at room temp. Apparently most settings higher in watts or degrees gets too damn hot and spits and sputters back at me, fowling my drip tip PDQ.

But I digress ... I'm a newbie vapester and MAYBE I'm just not doing something right. With that in mind, I ordered a simpler mod than what I have that is also capable of sub-ohm in hopes of finding what I'm missing about sub-ohm vape.

SOooo, an Aspire Odyssey Mini Pegasus kit is on the way to me. At least I should be able to MTL or Lung draw, sub-ohm or not on the this Mini ... and since there is no wattage adjustment on this unit in sub-ohm ... maybe the algorithm of whatever controls the device will forgive this noob. I just refuse to give up on sub-ohm just yet.

Anyway, here is a pic of my meager collection thus far. I think I've mastered the 1.5-1.8 stuff but the the sub-ohm stuff isn't pleasing to me and I've even tried all sorts of different drip tips and settings on MY equipment. As a noob and considering the popularity of sub-ohm I am inclined to think maybe I'm just missing something.

Any advice hints tips are greatly appreciated. Thanks !!!

How many packs a day did you smoke and what nicotine level are you using now?
Just because a tiny portion of ecig users are "sub-Ωing, doesn't mean you must...
Why do you think it's "necessary" to try sub-Ωing or do you feel that you are missing something and your current set up is "deficient"?

Best of luck
I

 

[Vaslovik]

I think it's a matter of how you go about sub-ohming. I did it in a much simpler way back when I started vaping. Back then there wasn't any TC, and I didn't bother with regulated mods, VV or VW. I just went straight to a mech and genny and worked out my sweet spot from there. No electronics to muck about with. It was a matter of how I did my build, and my sweet spot turned out to be .7 ohm with 26 kanthal over 400 mesh. I've been quite happy with that.

 

[Hobbs]

Thanks for the replies guys !!! ... and the popcorn
MUCH appreciated !!!

Looks like tomorrow when I break it back out, I'll have to try a little higher wattage and play with the temp a bit more in the 460-490 range. I've been running the air 3/4 to all the way open, so I may need to play with that too. But thank you so very much for sharing your experience and giving me a ballpark place to start !!!

"Sub-ohming saves battery and juice" <<< read it somewhere on the Internet. Glad I can come here and get the straight skinny on stuff. Cool

Pictured and linked below is the regulated kit I'm trying to sub-ohm on. Nothing rebuildable here. All plug 'n play. In the temp control mode, wattage (in .1 increments) as well as temp (in 10 degree F increments) is adjustable. Of course air is adjustable in all modes.

iStick TC60W Kit is Electronic Cigarette Starter Kit | Eleafworld

 

[Douggro]

Pictured and linked below is the regulated kit I'm trying to sub-ohm on.

Have two myself with Melo 2 tanks to match. Decent kit for the lower, starting end of sub-ohm. Running the 0.3Ω Kanthal coils around 30W, though I switch tanks around to use my clearos and Subtank Mini to tootle on those mods with - better battery life, now that I have multi-cell mods.

 

[Hobbs]

@Izan ... I smoked pack and a half to two packs a day for almost 50 years. I'm using 12mg/mL mostly and 18mg/mL sometimes. So yea, it's a little harsh for sub-ohming BUT after almost 50 years of a heated throat, I can take the sub-ohm nic hit. That doesn't bother me ... yet.

EXPANDING: I made my own cigarettes and only paid 67 cents a pack. I would buy whole leaf tobacco, 12.5 pounds at a time, shred it down to stuffing tube size and store it in a 7 gallon humidity controlled bucket. The tubes came made as a carton of empty filter tubes. I have several machines, both mechanical and electric to make cigarettes. Today ... I didn't smoke a cigarette ... so far. And I didn't quite cigarettes to try and save money

The reason I want to try sub-ohm is not because I'm not happy with the 1.5-1.8 ohm kanthal coil setups that I have ... but because I have the equipment to try it ... so why not.

 

[Hobbs]

Oops EDIT: Douggro, the .3 Kanthal, I'm still searching for a good vape on the TC60W there too, but have been reasonably enjoying it in the 20-24 watt range.

I've started using a full size Nautilus on the TC60W and run the 1.8 Kanthal at about 11.8-13.5 watts ... about 4.8 volts. Taste good, good vapor density and battery and juice last a while.

 

[VHRB2014]

I like my vape at or about the same temp as my coffee.

 

[Douggro]

I like my vape at or about the same temp as my coffee.

So now we know that Patrick Warburton is amongst us. 174 degrees, right?

 

[Douggro]

The .3 Kanthal I'm really enjoying a tootle vape at about 11.8-13.5 watts on TC60W ... right around 4.8 volts.

Never argue with results if they work for you.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

What's your pg/vg ratio? Makes a big difference with sub ohm. I vape 89vg 11vg ooo so smooth @0.3 I prefer 70vg 30pg @0.5 anything over @0.8 I like 60vg 40pg. Some people just don't like subohm to so keep that in mind.

 

[Izan]

@Izan ... I smoked pack and a half to two packs a day for almost 50 years. I'm using 12mg/mL mostly and 18mg/mL sometimes. So yea, it's a little harsh for sub-ohming BUT after almost 50 years of a heated throat, I can take the sub-ohm nic hit. That doesn't bother me ... yet.

EXPANDING: I made my own cigarettes and only paid 67 cents a pack. I would buy whole leaf tobacco, 12.5 pounds at a time, shred it down to stuffing tube size and store it in a 7 gallon humidity controlled bucket. The tubes came made as a carton of empty filter tubes. I have several machines, both mechanical and electric to make cigarettes. Today ... I didn't smoke a cigarette ... so far. And I didn't quite cigarettes to try and save money

The reason I want to try sub-ohm is not because I'm not happy with the 1.5-1.8 ohm kanthal coil setups that I have ... but because I have the equipment to try it ... so why not.

Fair do...
I miss spending Saturday mornings with the Top-o_Matic...
But I agree, it was super cheap, I started vaping around the time they started with the "banded" fire-safe, stuffer tubes. ...

I'll suggest you get some 0 nicotine juice so you can dilute the 1.8 and 1.2 juice you have, if needed.

Watch a few videos to observe the technique used and draw speed/intensity needed to have the devices perform correctly.

Have fun and Welcome to NOT smoking.
I

 

[Hobbs]

Thanks Izan !!!

Yep, I have to edit my post Douggro ... my mind confused the settings I use for the .3 Kanthal and 1.8 Kanthal ... you'll see my edit above. But I agree, you can't argue with results LOL

Asylumsix ... 50/50. I bet if I'm going to try sub-ohm, at least successfully, I perhaps should try a higher VG.

Can't wait for the Aspire Odyssey Mini to get here and give it a go. May not have any better luck though. After all, wattage, volts and temperature are still wattage, volts and temperature. I just thought I'd give the Aspire a try since I like some of their other stuff and it's said to be geared toward the sub-ohm noob.

I guess at the end of the day, the point is, I'll try anything and everything to keep from going back to cigarettes. I've already spent more this month and last, on vape stuff than I spent in a whole year smoking. That doesn't bother me either. The ONLY thing I'm NOT ready to do is get into rebuilding or mechanical mods ... I'm not there yet and don't want to blow something up LOL