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Submission Date Moved to 8/8/2022

Discussion in 'FDA Regulations' started by Rathamar, Jul 28, 2017.

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  1. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Nice summary. Well said.
     
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  2. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    That's what I mean. It's impossible to tell, and I don't want to speculate, due to the fact that I don't want my speculations going anywhere they might not or should not.

    As far as civil disobedience.... :) That's up to each individual member. IMO. I have practiced my share, now I'm older and do it more cautiously. But, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new mod from anywhere, at this point in time.

    Anna
     
  3. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Thanks Kent.
     
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  4. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    For a product that is manufactured outside the USA, I'm reasonably sure it responsible party is the "importer of record". If a vape shop orders hardware directly from China, they are the responsible party. But if they order from a US distributor or warehouse, then the responsibility lies somewhere up the supply chain, with whomever imported it into the US to begin with.

    Personally, if I were running a vape shop, I would not be ordering things directly from China unless I was darn sure (and had evidence to prove) that the exact goods I'm importing were available on the US market before 8/8/16.
     
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  5. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director
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    Apr 2, 2009
    I basically agree.

    But regarding enforcement, it could be much more difficult for FDA to monitor and enforce sales of e-liquid products (that weren't on the market by August 8, 2016) since tens of thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands) of different e-liquid products have already been registered with FDA (and since the vapor products on the market on August 8, 2016 can still be registered with FDA).

    Note that CTFK and other extremists have previously informed FDA of several different new cigarette sub brands that were introduced since 2007, but FDA has not yet ordered them to be removed from the market.
     
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  6. Max-83

    Max-83 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 11, 2016
    I don't think the changes that the new FDA Commissioner announced can be seen as any kind of negative for vaping in the U.S. but I am confused by one aspect.

    The FDA has said that one of the reasons for the change to the deadline for the pmta applications is to encourage innovation in non combustibles yet they still freeze the market at 8/2016.
    How can the vape industry innovate in the U.S.?
     
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  7. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    The California Lottery should have easily funded school reform.
    If only that money had been used for what we were told it would be used for.
     
  8. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Tucson, AZ
    I want to know what CA spends its money on? They tax everything all the time and then go bankrupt? It's very confusing and I don't understand it at all. Who is actually gaining from all those taxes (I thought I was in another country , after we visited one time.)

    I mean, it's fun, beautiful (except for parts of LA) they have tons of natural attractions for tourism, they hog much water to grow crops, I.do.not.understand. Also, the housing prices. (???)

    Anna
     
  9. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    I could easily answer that if this were the OUTSIDE! subforum.
    :laugh:
     
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  10. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Only if it were a particular party statement....
     
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  11. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    It most certainly would be.
     
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  12. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    NE FL
    I was gonna say, "Let's start a 'California' thread there. But Anna is kinda new to ECF. I don't think it would be fair to bring her into that dark, shadowy place. Probably best if she never goes there. :oops:
     
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  13. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 14, 2013
    Louisiana
    I saw in a recent SUck My Mod Video on this new FDA announcement that the reason we are still seeing new gear is that before the cutoff date for new products many Chinese companys did the bare minimum they needed to do to get a ton of products listed as on the market before the date. Those same companys are slowly releasing them to the public now and those are the new mods, tanks etc we are seeing now.
     
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  14. Fozzy71

    Fozzy71 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2016
    8 Mile + 2.5
    I didn't watch most/all of that SMM fda vlog but feel free to show me how anything released in 2017 from china was somehow on the market in July/Aug 2016........
     
  15. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 14, 2013
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    Basically they did all the paperwork and shipped a few to the US before the 2016 date. THey established it way ahead of time. Then they just delayed releasing it to vendors. Or so SMM suggested. Do I think they all did this? No probably not but I do expect the BIG Chinese companys did. It just makes good business sense. All they have to do is show the paper trail.
     
  16. OldBatty

    OldBatty Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 28, 2014
    North Georgia USA
    Thanks for the clarification! Suspected as much and this is why this is a (very nice) reprieve and not a true victory.

    Now have 4 more years to stock up!:thumbs:
     
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  17. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    One might take this as a signal that the FDA does not intend to enforce the the "No new products" portion of the Deeming with any enthusiasm.

    Then there's also the fact that most of the industry (and innovation) is now outside the US anyway.
     
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  18. Fozzy71

    Fozzy71 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2016
    8 Mile + 2.5
    thanks for not showing me any proof..... i could give 2 ....s about the deeming regs or the 2007/2016 dates at this point.
     
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  19. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    I Think "Reprieve" is a Very Good word to describe what has happened. It is Also a Reprieve that spans into the Next Presidency.

    And just like This President has placed his HHS Secretary/FDA Commissionaire into their respective positions, so can/will the Next. What we Need is a Permanent Congressional Solution.
     
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  20. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 14, 2013
    Louisiana
    Look I was clear about my source. It is the best logical explanation I have seen so far. There is no reason to be snarky because it does not meet your personal burden of proof.
     
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