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10-20 puffs a day, is like 1-2 cigs/day, your 1 cig should last years
wish I only did that.....wait...nah, I enjoy it too much.
We are early adopters of this technology. The devices have not been perfected yet. Almost every new technology has problems on startup in one way or another. In our case the biggest problem is the atomizer. If I can realize this, certainly the manufacturers can too. New types of atomizers are starting to enter the market and we do not know yet how long they last. I would bet that other advances in atomizer design are being researched.
When you say that you expect new electronics to last for a year+, you are referring to products where the technology is fully developed, and that only have minor changes/improvements with each new model.
Another commonality with new technology is a higher price. As the technology develops and more companies enter the market, the price comes down. I am old enough to have owned one of the first "pocket" calculators that came on the market. It cost $100 (in 1970s dollars) on sale, was (roughly) 6" x 4" X 1", and performed only the basic math functions. Today you can buy a scientific calculator for $10.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that as the technology improves and more manufacturers and resellers enter the market your concerns will be addressed. I know we are in the age of instant gratification but these things do take time.
When you say that you expect new electronics to last for a year+, you are referring to products where the technology is fully developed, and that only have minor changes/improvements with each new model.
Another commonality with new technology is a higher price. As the technology develops and more companies enter the market, the price comes down. I am old enough to have owned one of the first "pocket" calculators that came on the market. It cost $100 (in 1970s dollars) on sale, was (roughly) 6" x 4" X 1", and performed only the basic math functions. Today you can buy a scientific calculator for $10.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that as the technology improves and more manufacturers and resellers enter the market your concerns will be addressed. I know we are in the age of instant gratification
but these things do take time.We are early adopters of this technology. The devices have not been perfected yet. Almost every new technology has problems on startup in one way or another. In our case the biggest problem is the atomizer. If I can realize this, certainly the manufacturers can too. New types of atomizers are starting to enter the market and we do not know yet how long they last. I would bet that other advances in atomizer design are being researched.
When you say that you expect new electronics to last for a year+, you are referring to products where the technology is fully developed, and that only have minor changes/improvements with each new model.
Another commonality with new technology is a higher price. As the technology develops and more companies enter the market, the price comes down. I am old enough to have owned one of the first "pocket" calculators that came on the market. It cost $100 (in 1970s dollars) on sale, was (roughly) 6" x 4" X 1", and performed only the basic math functions. Today you can buy a scientific calculator for $10.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that as the technology improves and more manufacturers and resellers enter the market your concerns will be addressed. I know we are in the age of instant gratification
Hell in just the recent generation look at the xbox 360 that has had retailer reported failure rates as high as 30% so it's not just our tech..And speaking from experience the 360's haven't improved a lot over the years..
Sucker???? Several weeks ago I (impulsively) purchased an e-cig from Smoking Everywhere at the mall -- thinking they were some wonderful new "invention" that I wouldn't find anywhere else. I hadn't even (seriously) consideriing quitting cigarettes until that day. Later, after researching, and finding out I'd paid a VERY inflated price for the Smoking Everywhere e-cig... and even worse... that the product turned out to be very poor quality - YES - I felt like a REAL sucker! 
Now... I am finding that I CAN just be grateful to Smoking Everywhere for one thing only... and that is opening my eyes to the fact that e-cigs do exist. Now after being on this forum, learning more about suppliers, e-cig models available etc. I am a much more informed and happy consumer!
Sucker??? I don't feel like a sucker at all now. I know that e-cigs are still very new.. and with everything new... there will be bugs to work out. I think we have an awesome selection of suppliers here... charging very fair prices.. and great customer service. I am SO grateful to now be vaping instead of smoking... which will cost me less $ -- but even more important -- I already feel SO much better!
Several weeks ago I (impulsively) purchased an e-cig from Smoking Everywhere at the mall -- thinking they were some wonderful new "invention" that I wouldn't find anywhere else. I hadn't even (seriously) consideriing quitting cigarettes until that day. Later, after researching, and finding out I'd paid a VERY inflated price for the Smoking Everywhere e-cig... and even worse... that the product turned out to be very poor quality - YES - I felt like a REAL sucker! Now... I am finding that I CAN just be grateful to Smoking Everywhere for one thing only... and that is opening my eyes to the fact that e-cigs do exist. Now after being on this forum, learning more about suppliers, e-cig models available etc. I am a much more informed and happy consumer!
Sucker???
I don't feel like a sucker at all now. I know that e-cigs are still very new.. and with everything new... there will be bugs to work out. I think we have an awesome selection of suppliers here... charging very fair prices.. and great customer service. I am SO grateful to now be vaping instead of smoking... which will cost me less $ -- but even more important -- I already feel SO much better! Huge markup? What huge markup? Have you actually gotten quotes from the manufacturer to know how much the products cost the resellers? There is no huge markup unless your talking about smoking everywhere or even njoy which is still better than smoking everywhere.
Example
How much do you think it cost X brand to manufacture that big HD TV you paid $2000 for? Most likely it was under $300. Now THATS a big markup. After thinking about it I would venture to say there is at least 100% markup on almost everything you buy.
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How much do you think it cost X brand to manufacture that big HD TV you paid $2000 for? Most likely it was under $300. Now THATS a big markup. After thinking about it I would venture to say there is at least 100% markup on almost everything you buy.
Since the products keep getting better and better, it is clear that some of those profits are going into research and development. I am thankful for that and quite willing to pay the cost to get to better products. Smoking and vaping are luxuries that we are used to paying. BT gets rich beyond imagination because we are willing to pay them. Why should e cigarette companies be any different from any other profit seeking company?
If you look at the original Ruyan e cigarette, you will see that those cost almost $300. Less than two years later, you can buy a top of the line e cigarette for less than $100. I see e cigarettes, like every other gadget, responding to the market and making them affordable for everyone.
I think the OP believes that the retailers of these products should invest their cash into supplies, take time out to make orders, pay possible import costs/taxes, pay for web hosting, shipping materials and costs, spend all their spare time doing this to LOSE MONEY!
As I origianlly posted, I am curious as to why you don't become that supplier with bare minimum mark up and make all us vapers happy bunnies. How low can you go?
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As I origianlly posted, I am curious as to why you don't become that supplier with bare minimum mark up and make all us vapers happy bunnies. How low can you go?
Last post for me in this thread I hate feeding trolls.
The incredible unreliability of these things is a major reason you haven't seen the Big Guys like Wal-Mart stock them. What retailer wants to be burdened with returns from unhappy customers? Target put them online only. That speaks volumes.
Crappy products are one reason that disposables look so good to tobacco chain stores.
Crappy products are one reason that disposables look so good to tobacco chain stores.
you just summed up everything i tried to say thank you and happy vapeing everyone
Yes, I have.
From manufacturer to reseller, yes, all electronics receive a huge markup. Between all the middlemen involved between the manufacturer and the reseller, the price has gone up at least 100%. No one party makes that much though.
I'm talking about a single step in the selling chain. The people we buy e-cigs from have bought their products for less than half of what we pay for them. By themselves, of their own volition, they have chosen to sell their products for more than double what they paid for them.
I'm not gonna try to convince you one way or the other on the morality of the issue. That's up to you to decide. I just want to make sure you understand what's going on, and how it compares to other industries.
So you're saying that to make money selling products from your own website, you must have over 100% markup?
That's interesting.
Maybe I will. Who knows?
All I've done is registered a complaint regarding the state of the ecig industry. Certain people here (ahem) are reacting as if I insulted their mothers.
You can call me a troll if it makes you feel better, but it won't stop me from expressing my opinions -- whether they be positive or negative. You have to take the good with the bad. It can't all be sunshine and lollipops.
equazcion [sp?],
If you consider how much worse we are getting screwed buying traditional tobacco products, it's really not so bad.
Consider how much a packet of smokes actually costs to produce. About 20g of dry tobacco, some paper, foil, and cellophane. It probably costs less than a dollar, and i am being generous there. In reality it's probably less than 10 cents.
So lets say it costs a dollar, that's a 400% markup between the distributor and the state.
I'll take e-cigs any day.
It seems less addictive to me, too.
If you consider how much worse we are getting screwed buying traditional tobacco products, it's really not so bad.
Consider how much a packet of smokes actually costs to produce. About 20g of dry tobacco, some paper, foil, and cellophane. It probably costs less than a dollar, and i am being generous there. In reality it's probably less than 10 cents.
So lets say it costs a dollar, that's a 400% markup between the distributor and the state.
I'll take e-cigs any day.
It seems less addictive to me, too.
Most of the markup on analog cigarettes is taxes. I'm not sure if that's what you meant by "state".
Disregarding that, if the price needs to creep up between all the different parties involved, I understand that better than one guy taking 150% profit.
The comparison to the analog cigarette industry is irrelevant to my point though. I never said e-cigs suck so much that we should all go back to analogs. On the contrary, e-cigs may be the better choice, despite all the current problems.
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I still consider the devices and liquid quite affordable. I guess i'd get more hopped up if they weren't.
Demand sets the price. We also have to consider the overhead, the shipping costs, the website, the hits from Paypal, the replacements for junk that doesn't work, etc., not to mention the seller's time.
I'm not sure where the idea came from that retail markup on general items is in the 40-100% range, but I assure you it's not. We're a retail family here and it's everything from 10% to 30% max on durable goods - that's not counting clothing, as we haven't ever been in that biz. But I have known for years what the cost is to some big box retailers because I have been privvy to those numbers.
I'm not sure where the idea came from that retail markup on general items is in the 40-100% range, but I assure you it's not. We're a retail family here and it's everything from 10% to 30% max on durable goods - that's not counting clothing, as we haven't ever been in that biz. But I have known for years what the cost is to some big box retailers because I have been privvy to those numbers.
Having bought my last pack of $8.00/pack analogs in mid-December, on the contrary, darling, I'm no longer a sucker for Chicago's cigarette tax...
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