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Yirabeth

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It seems everyone is always interested in how some people come up with an atomizer that lasts and lasts, and what may have prompted it to last. Of course, sometimes, they just die for no reason, probably due to cheap mass manufacturing, but not ALL items made that way will be weak, and so it leaves us wondering why some last and some don't.

I was about to reply to another thread where someone asked another how they took care of their setup to make their atty last quite so long, then realized it was off-topic, and that perhaps others would be interested if they saw it in the proper context, and also others may have input. So I decided to post my reply here. :)

Can I ask for more specifics on this?

- What 901 atty manufacturer / model are you using?
- How many attys have been in rotation?
- What's you maintenance routine?
- What do you vape? PG? VG?
- How long is your average draw?
- Do you back off when your atty gets warm?

Sorry for the questionnaire, I'm just interested in the science behind your atty success - especially on a Prodigy at 5v. Thanks. =]

I'm another user with a longtime success with an atomizer -- including on the Prodigy. So I thought I'd add my 2¢ on this.

I'm on my third atomizer, my first lasted 3 1/2 weeks, second one lasted 4 weeks to the day. That means this one has been in use for 12 weeks, including Prodigy use since August 4th. I attribute this one lasting longer due to me learning how to care for it better.

To answer the questions --

1. I'm using the 901's from Bestecig.com (China provider) I had just ordered a set of 5, to go with the one included with my passthrough kit. (I ordered a basic Prodigy kit from PS, since I had all the other goodies. So no atty's from PS yet -- I plan on ordering bulk pretty soon) I'm not sure what "model" it is, just the ones from the link for 901 atty's.

2. I don't rotate. I just forget, well, okay I'm too lazy. Same one in service for the entire time. (I do have a spare in my little coin pouch that I carry spare batteries in too)

3. Light on the maintenance -- the first two I washed em out etc etc etc. Now I just blow them out if they seem a bit sluggish, if that doesn't work I replace batteries. Usually only floods if the battery starts going weak anyways. But that's the only maintenance -- blow it out if vapor/throat hit is weak. My PT I started on was a "true" PT so vaped at 5v, so I think the hotter temp keeps it cleaner. I see no deposits on my atty.

I didn't start "not cleaning" by design, actually I started school and jumped in over my head right off the bat, and literally my every waking moment was doing homework so I just didn't have time. (I got a 4.0 overall though, so worth it! Now to repeat the process...../sigh) I would look inside my atty with my son's magnifying glass, see no deposits, and say okay, not gonna clean it now, on with homework!

4. I vape PG with a little VG added in for consistency purposes. I DIY my menthol and like it STRONG!!! so it's a bit thin unless I add in the VG. (70%PG/PG based nic juice, 20% Menthol/Alcohol, 10%VG -- more VG would be better, but 10% is the happy medium between thick enough to not leak from the cart and discreet amounts of vapor. I vape in public a lot and just don't WANT huge billowing clouds.)

5. My average draw -- well, like normal cigs I guess... 2 seconds'ish. I just use it like I were smoking. If stressed I probably draw a bity harder though. I am amazed by some of the vapers here that can draw 5-10 seconds??!! I'd pass out from lack of oxygen hehe

6. I do back off when my atty gets warm -- I got that warning from this forum before I ever started vaping, and I practice it religiously almost. My atty is my Precious! Must coddle my Precious!! I touch it to my lip almost as a weird "Habit" before inhaling now, if it's warm, I make myself wait. Not gonna kill it out of impatience :) I must say, it doesn't get hot like others say though, perhaps because of my lighter draw method. If I'm super stressed, it will heat up a bit more. That's when I have to make myself wait.

If I have to attribute my "success" with this atomizer, I'd say it's a combo of not letting it get too hot, and keeping it moist. I don't drip, EVER, but I don't vape my cartridge empty either. When the flavor changes even a tad I refill my cartridge. I feel the flavor change is indicating a bit drier atty which means a bit hotter. Because I'm not vaping my cartridge dry, I throw out the filler every few days and replace it. (Not sure if that stuff goes "bad" or not but don't really want to be sucking old juice) I'm using fish filter material, it just easier and more convenient for me -- I use the Whisper Bio-Bag refills, throw out the charcoal (It's in a seperate package) and cut the sheets into nice little cartridge sized lines of filter material. (cut to twice the length and doubled up)

I also wonder if drip-vaping allows the atty to get hotter (at the end of the drip amount) more often therefore shortening the life span? Dunno, just a thought :)

Anyway. I'd say my most maintenance done is actually on the cartridge tip, replacing the filter material and making sure it's full at all times. Also, as a reference point -- I am not a light vaper, I vape 3-4ml a day. My juice is 10.8mg/ml by the time I finish cutting it.

~Yira
 

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6. I do back off when my atty gets warm -- I got that warning from this forum before I ever started vaping, and I practice it religiously almost. My atty is my Precious! Must coddle my Precious!! I touch it to my lip almost as a weird "Habit" before inhaling now, if it's warm, I make myself wait. Not gonna kill it out of impatience :) I must say, it doesn't get hot like others say though, perhaps because of my lighter draw method. If I'm super stressed, it will heat up a bit more. That's when I have to make myself wait.
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Haha, I do the same thing. I have been through the cleaning methods and so far it seems to be a crap shoot. I'm just going to blow out and keep the atty moist and cool.

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yes, cleaning is not good.. I had 1 atomizer die (ohms tested), and it was the one I soaked in coke.
Every other atty i have 510,901. Still work as brand new. I never cleaned just blown out sometimes, have been using the same 510 for months.
Ive got 56 510 attys and 10 901's. But I only use 1.

Im guessing the reaosn for this, is i only use dekang juice from china that is untampered with, and clean..

When US resellers start adding **** to their juice like some lorann flavors, it coats the atomizer in camelized sugar.
 
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Yirabeth

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When US resellers start adding **** to their juice like some lorann flavors, it coats the atomizer in camelized sugar.

Not necessarily a cause, I think. I made a Lorann's based watermelon that I decided was just too weak (I have some sort of issue with not tasting things -- don't ask me why, then, I have no problem tasting even the slightest degree of burnt...) so I ended up mixing that with my menthol, for a menthol watermelon which was quite tasty.

I ran out of that just after getting my prodigy, so it was vaped on the same atty I'm currently using with no ill effects. Actually, although I can't be 100% sure, I think all of that was vaped using this atty...it's possible some during the second atty that died though, I didn't mark anything down so it's just me trying to recall exactly when I started the watermelon.

I really liked the watermelon menthol too..thinking of ordering a larger amount and making more :) (my previous amt. was gotten at Walmart, tiny little bottles)

The watermelon WAS colored...if I left it in the sun it faded from bright pink to a dull yellowy orange..hehe I am not sure what was used to sweeten it, but probably (maybe?) not a real sugar?

So I think it's still down to keeping the atty moist, and not consistently overheating it...but burning it hot enough to burn off deposits..that's just my guess though :) (I'd think 5v would be good at that, 3.7v not so good?)

~Yira
 

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I have yet to discover how to keep my Prodigy from blowing up my 510 attys. The first 2 older attys I tried on it were fried on the first hit. Last night I lost the new atty that came with the Prodigy in only 6 days of use.

Since April I have been using the 510 and had only 1 atomizer die a mechanical death. I've had 4 die from being clogged with carbon. They still mechanically work they just no longer wick juice from the cart. I don't know what the solution is but I can't keep losing attys.

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My Prodigy and PT arrived late last week and I'm really enjoying them so far. I haven't smoked analogues in almost 72 hours without too much discomfort at all and I'm getting massive hits from both units. I'm dripping on both of them and alternating huge 5 or 6 seconds hits!

I'm doing an 8 second burn each night to clean the attys in addition to wiping down the connections which seems to work very well for me. I'm curious how long the attys will last with the burn off each night but so far it's working well.

I love these devices and highly recommend the Prodigy or PT.
 

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Well that'll teach me to brag on my SuperAtty...lol

Poor thing died this morning, just plain gone...I shall mourn the little black cylinder of vaporly goodness..../sigh

Well, I suppose it lasted roughly 90 days, and I shouldn't complain. Here's hoping my next one lasts as long, maybe I've gotten the routine down so well I won't have my next one die in a few weeks...

Note to self -- down to 2 atty's time to panic, run around scream and cry, order more asap...LOL

~Yira
 

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Well that'll teach me to brag on my SuperAtty...lol

Poor thing died this morning, just plain gone...I shall mourn the little black cylinder of vaporly goodness..../sigh

Well, I suppose it lasted roughly 90 days, and I shouldn't complain. Here's hoping my next one lasts as long, maybe I've gotten the routine down so well I won't have my next one die in a few weeks...

Note to self -- down to 2 atty's time to panic, run around scream and cry, order more asap...LOL

~Yira

You only have 2 Attys? What will you do if the FDA makes it against the law to sell anything e-cig tomorrow? It may be a long hard battle too.

I think that the 510 atty for some reason doesn't hold up as well as the 901 at higher voltage. I may go back to 3.7 volts, I love the taste and performance but I can't sacrafice any more attys to the 5v god.

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You only have 2 Attys? What will you do if the FDA makes it against the law to sell anything e-cig tomorrow? It may be a long hard battle too.

I think that the 510 atty for some reason doesn't hold up as well as the 901 at higher voltage. I may go back to 3.7 volts, I love the taste and performance but I can't sacrafice any more attys to the 5v god.

Kevin

Think if the FDA bans them the Chinese will quit making them and shipping them to us? Think the FDA has the money/man power to search and stop every package from China? In my opinion, even with a ban, the most they could do is shut down US suppliers and LARGE shipments from China. I really doubt the FDA or any single government agency will be able to stop this now, illegal yes but not stop it. Just my opinion.
 

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Think if the FDA bans them the Chinese will quit making them and shipping them to us? Think the FDA has the money/man power to search and stop every package from China? In my opinion, even with a ban, the most they could do is shut down US suppliers and LARGE shipments from China. I really doubt the FDA or any single government agency will be able to stop this now, illegal yes but not stop it. Just my opinion.

Getting hardware shouldn't be too big a deal. Liquid (that you can trust) may be another story. I'm reading up on the DIY forum ;-)
 

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You only have 2 Attys? What will you do if the FDA makes it against the law to sell anything e-cig tomorrow? It may be a long hard battle too.


Kevin

I'm a low income college student that's also a single mom with an ex who thinks paying child support is boring...LOL I have to save for these things :)

Right now I have about enough to order a bulk juice shipment from China, which I'm adding 5 atty's to, to bring it to the minimum order. (ordering next week) Then, I'm saving for the 25+ atty's from PS, and then I'm GOLDEN...hehe I have enough stuff to last me 2+ years, **IF** I can make each atty last 4 weeks. So I baby my attys.... :) (I already have bulk PG/VG/menthol for cutting)

~Yira
 
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Well that'll teach me to brag on my SuperAtty...lol

Poor thing died this morning, just plain gone...I shall mourn the little black cylinder of vaporly goodness..../sigh

Well, I suppose it lasted roughly 90 days, and I shouldn't complain. Here's hoping my next one lasts as long, maybe I've gotten the routine down so well I won't have my next one die in a few weeks...

Note to self -- down to 2 atty's time to panic, run around scream and cry, order more asap...LOL

~Yira

I morn your loss. My BE112 is hitting the 90 day mark. I have 30 more waiting in the wings for their chance at stardom but this one will be sorely missed when it is gone.

Brian
 

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I'm a low income college student that's also a single mom with an ex who thinks paying child support is boring...LOL I have to save for these things :)

Right now I have about enough to order a bulk juice shipment from China, which I'm adding 5 atty's to, to bring it to the minimum order. (ordering next week) Then, I'm saving for the 25+ atty's from PS, and then I'm GOLDEN...hehe I have enough stuff to last me 2+ years, **IF** I can make each atty last 4 weeks. So I baby my attys.... :) (I already have bulk PG/VG/menthol for cutting)

~Yira

I understand, I hope you are able to get enough stock. I think the ban may last a long time. We'll have to get our underground up and running.

Kevin
 

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Sorry to hear about your super atty...all good things come to an end but at least they are cheap especially with PS bulk buys!

I had 2 510 attys die yesterday on me, one in my battery device, one in my 5v homemade pt both gave me 51 days of pure vaping pleasure. At this rate I'll go through 7 a year on each device and with an order of 25 on the way from PS I'll be set for awhile, as long as they last the same as the ones I got from Eastmall. I never clean my attys just blow them out when the draw get a little hard. I might try cleaning my dead atty's, one still gives vape but very little and the other doesn't even get hot let alone give off any vape.
 
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