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Forkeh

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Glad to hear such positive results first time "out of the barn!" :thumb:

Which brand (mfg.) of Mango did you use that was so strong? Everything I have tried so far is really weak! Even at 10-15%. I would love to find a good one.

I do have a couple of suggestions/requests: (this is FYI and NOT scolding you in any way :))
PLEASE use a juice/recipe calculator.
1. It is a smart safety precaution. (I really cringe when I read statements like " If my math is right it..." There is absolutely no reason not to be sure when there are so many, good, free choices readily available.) It is possible to miss a decimal point and not just make something that tastes nasty, but can also make you sick (or worse). Click here to check out a simple on-line one that doesn't even require download.
2. The calculator will give you accurate percentages to be able to communicate effectively with others.

This leads to my second request:

When you are sharing a recipe, or seeking advise about a recipe, the majority of the community prefers measurements be in the form of percentages. That way, whether we (your readers) measure in milliliters (volume), or grams (weight), or drops (kinda, sorta, volume) we can convert it to our preferred method of measuring. We can quickly eyeball the ratios and see if anything is glaring. We can easily scale it up or down to whatever size batch we want.
Using your Dragon fruit recipe as an example; a good way to post it might be:
"I made 13 mL of (Name; you created it you aught to name it! ;)) at 50PG/50VG 6mg/mL nic
I used:
10% 60 mg/mL VG nic
50% PG
28% VG
8% Dragon Fruit (brand)
2% Sweetener (brand)
2% Sour (brand)"
(These are only representative numbers as I don't know what actual volumes you used).

You said " ...because my nicotine and flavorings are all vg.". If that is true, looking at what I have listed calls for far less VG than PG to get to the 50/50, or you actually finished with a ratio closer to 45PG/65VG (if you started with say .5mL less VG than PG; that first paragraph was pretty confusing).

Which leads me right into my final request:

When sharing recipes, or seeking help, PLEASE be as accurate/precise as you can.

I could not find 'dragon fruit," "sweetener," or "sour" in a VG base on Wizard Labs website. So, I am guessing, that you either simply had a typo of "VG" intending "PG" or you made an honest mistake and believed you were buying VG based flavors.
But, if either is true and your flavors are actually PG based, then your recipe would look like this:

I made (Name) at 50PG/50VG 6mg/mL nic
I used:
10% 60 mg/mL VG nic
38% PG
40% VG
8% Dragon Fruit (brand)
2% Sweetener (brand)
2% Sour (brand)

See how the PG and VG percentages changed from the first way I listed it?
Remember that the PG or VG in your nic and flavors count toward the total PG and VG percentages.

Example from PG based flavoring recipe above:
10% nic VG + 40% plain VG = 50% Total VG
12% Flavor PG + 38% plain PG= 50% Total PG

Or, if you DID have VG based flavorings and the first recipe was correct, it would be:
10% nic VG + 28% plain VG + 12% Flavor VG = 50% Total VG
50% plain PG= 50% Total PG
Either way you end up with 100%.

Continuing my thoughts on accuracy: Try to use the exact name and flavor manufacturer at least once in the post. Wizard Labs, as an example, carries 7 different manufacturers of flavors.

Did you actually use TFA's (The Flavorer's Apprentice) "Sweetener" which is a specific product or did you use a sweetener in general (which could be:Sweetener, EM, Cotton Candy, Sucralose, Marshmallow, Honey, ...), and which manufacturer made it? TFA's Cotton Candy may be quite different than LorAnn's Cotton Candy (different in taste, strength, or both). Remember my earlier question about your Mango?

Once you have defined what you are writing about; then feel free to shorten, or abbreviate, to your heart's content. An example might be: once I have identified TFA's Vanilla Bean Ice Cream as the ingredient I am talking about, the next time I refer to it in the same post, I simply call it VBIC and anyone reading it understands.

Don't be afraid to re-read your message before you hit "Reply to thread." I'm sure the last thing you want is your readers wondering "what the hell are you talking about" or making one of your recipes and thinking "this tastes like dirt" because he mixed it the way you wrote it out instead of the actual way you made it (taking good notes throughout the mixing process will help both you and others recreate it!).

I'll get off my soapbox now. :blush:

As I said before, I am not grumping at you or trying to embarrass you, just sharing what someone else has shared with me to help me communicate more clearly with the rest of the community here. I hope you find it as helpful. :toast:

Well I appreciate the advice. I wasn't really intending on publishing a recipe though. I was just explaining what I made. I wasn't really all that concerned with getting my calculations exactly right my first time out. There's no way it could have been a dangerous mixture. Any more than 9 mg/ml of what I made would be a mathematical impossibility even accounting for all variables. But I'll keep these things in mind if I ever do decide to publish a recipe. And I did make a mistake. The flavorings are pg. I read them wrong.

The mango flavoring I got was TFA. I don't know why it's so strong. It's not bad strong, it's delicious in fact. I think it might just be fresh juice weirdness. It's already starting to fade a bit, and more coconut is coming through.
 

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Hi Forkeh,
I am sorry if I offended you with anything I wrote in my previous post and I apologize if I did. That was not my intention.
The mango flavoring I got was TFA. I don't know why it's so strong. It's not bad strong, it's delicious in fact. I think it might just be fresh juice weirdness. It's already starting to fade a bit, and more coconut is coming through.
Thank you for the 411 on the TFA Mango. I have tried that one in the past and, at the time, thought it was pretty weak. If I mixed it with ANYTHING it would just disappear. I wonder if they changed the flavor, or maybe I just got a sub par bottle. I will have to order it again and give it another try. I'm another one trying to concoct a tropical island drink vape and can't seem to find a good mango for it. I appreciate the tip.
In my experience, coconut does take a couple of days to come out. I am interested to hear how your creation develops. Keep us posted.
 

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The second flavor I made was a mango coconut. I used 1mg of mango flavoring in this one, 1/2 a ml of coconut, and 1/4 ml of sweetner. Overall this one is pretty good and I like where the sweetness is at; I didn't add any sour because I tasted the mango concentrate and it was already pretty sour. The only issue that the mango overpowers the coconut almost 100%. 6/10. Tastes good and I'll vape the rest of it, but it needs work. Either less mango, or more coconut. Or maybe it just needs to steep. I'll give it a while before I make a final decision on this one.

I made some juice with coconut once and I had to wait a long time before I could taste the coconut. Ended up good though. So yeah, it probably just needs to sit for a while. I didn't make any more because all the coconut I could find contained diketones and I'm a bit nervous about that.

Glad you liked the mango. I got some TFA mango a while back and haven't tried it yet. Was yours TFA?

edit: saw your later message and you said it was TFA
 

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Hi Forkeh,
I am sorry if I offended you with anything I wrote in my previous post and I apologize if I did. That was not my intention.

Thank you for the 411 on the TFA Mango. I have tried that one in the past and, at the time, thought it was pretty weak. If I mixed it with ANYTHING it would just disappear. I wonder if they changed the flavor, or maybe I just got a sub par bottle. I will have to order it again and give it another try. I'm another one trying to concoct a tropical island drink vape and can't seem to find a good mango for it. I appreciate the tip.
In my experience, coconut does take a couple of days to come out. I am interested to hear how your creation develops. Keep us posted.

Oh, no, absolutely not. I'm not offended at all. I recognize that you were trying to help and give me some advice, and I do appreciate it. I was just explaining that I wasn't really intending to post a recipe.

As far as the mango goes, It's the regular mango flavor if that makes a difference. TFA has more than one. And it could just be me. Taste is subjective and some people are more sensitive to certain flavors.

As far as flavor development goes for the mango coconut, a couple days out and I can taste a bit of coconut. I did run into a strange roadblock though. This juice seems to go off pretty quickly at higher temps/wattage. From the taste I'm getting, I'm pretty sure it's the sweetener in it (TFA as well). I'm tasting like a caramelized sugar taste, especially when used in a tank for, like, half the day. Happens dripping to, to a much lesser degree. Though the flavor isn't altogether unpleasant, it's really not what I'm after. I think I'm either going to have to remove the sweetener from the recipe, or raise the nicotine significantly so that I can ran it at much lower temps/wattage, to my satisfaction. The odd thing is that this doesn't happen with the dragon fruit mix in the same tank, at the same wattage/temp. I think the sweetener must be reacting with either the mango, or coconut, at high heat.
 

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As far as the mango goes, It's the regular mango flavor if that makes a difference. TFA has more than one. And it could just be me. Taste is subjective and some people are more sensitive to certain flavors.
I appreciate the clarification. I'll try it again. Just an FIY, the other mango that TFA puts out is Philippine Mango and its not bad. It's not so "canned" or "syrupy." I find it more like the fresh fruit. Still kinda weak to me though.
As far as flavor development goes for the mango coconut, a couple days out and I can taste a bit of coconut. I did run into a strange roadblock though. This juice seems to go off pretty quickly at higher temps/wattage. From the taste I'm getting, I'm pretty sure it's the sweetener in it (TFA as well). I'm tasting like a caramelized sugar taste, especially when used in a tank for, like, half the day. Happens dripping to, to a much lesser degree. Though the flavor isn't altogether unpleasant, it's really not what I'm after. I think I'm either going to have to remove the sweetener from the recipe, or raise the nicotine significantly so that I can ran it at much lower temps/wattage, to my satisfaction. The odd thing is that this doesn't happen with the dragon fruit mix in the same tank, at the same wattage/temp. I think the sweetener must be reacting with either the mango, or coconut, at high heat.
I was looking again at the rough numbers that you mixed and I'm ball parking them at around 8% mango (1mL), and 2%of Coconut (0.5 mL), and 1% of Sweetener (0.25 mL) if you added them to approximately 12 mL of PG/VG/nic base. Again, all of this is just spit balling.

My thoughts on the coconut portion is that you might try bumping it a little. I generally use it around 5%. If you have enough left you could try adding a bit more. Consider upping the coconut to 4-5% on your next mix. I think it will soften the mango, help define the coconut, and might also help with that burnt sugar taste as well.

As for the sweetener; is it actually TFA Sweetener, or is it "a" sweetener by TFA (and which one in particular).
If it is Sweetener I have no idea where the burnt sugar is coming from. Sweetener is just sucralose(the stuff in Splenda) in PG as a carrier. I haven't heard anyone say it has a taste/flavor. Only "sweetness."
Though I have heard it can get quite "chemical-ly" if too much is used.
If it is Cotton Candy or Ethyl Maltol (usually called EM) which are the same thing (EM is Cotton Candy I'm not sure why they sell it under both labels.) then I can understand the sugar taste. Think back to what cotton candy tastes like.For most people though it takes more than 1% to detect it.
 

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Got my stuff today (that was fast!) and made my first batch! Made a base pg and vg, little more pg than vg because my nicotine and flavorings are all vg. If my math is right it works out to 50/50 (if not I'm not worried about it). But 20 ml total of vg and pg, and 3 ml of my 60 mg/ml nicotine base. So my base was around 8 mg/ml. To accommodate for flavoring that was a little over my target. Based on the throat hit I'm getting, my end nicotine ratio is probably a little over my goal of 6 mg/ml, but that's okay. I'll work it out.

I split my base into two bottles to make two flavors. The first I made was a dragonfruit flavor. 1ml of the flavoring, plus 1/4 ml of both sweetner and souring flavor. I gotta say. I wasn't expecting such good results my first time mixing, but this juice is as good as any dragonfruit juice I ever bought. Maybe even better, because I was able to take back the sweetness a tad and add a little sour. 10/10 would make again.

The second flavor I made was a mango coconut. I used 1mg of mango flavoring in this one, 1/2 a ml of coconut, and 1/4 ml of sweetner. Overall this one is pretty good and I like where the sweetness is at; I didn't add any sour because I tasted the mango concentrate and it was already pretty sour. The only issue that the mango overpowers the coconut almost 100%. 6/10. Tastes good and I'll vape the rest of it, but it needs work. Either less mango, or more coconut. Or maybe it just needs to steep. I'll give it a while before I make a final decision on this one.

Overall good results, I think this is most definitely doable.

You are off to a good start and catching on very quickly. I think your going to be a natural at this. Keep up the good work.
 

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I appreciate the clarification. I'll try it again. Just an FIY, the other mango that TFA puts out is Philippine Mango and its not bad. It's not so "canned" or "syrupy." I find it more like the fresh fruit. Still kinda weak to me though.

I was looking again at the rough numbers that you mixed and I'm ball parking them at around 8% mango (1mL), and 2%of Coconut (0.5 mL), and 1% of Sweetener (0.25 mL) if you added them to approximately 12 mL of PG/VG/nic base. Again, all of this is just spit balling.

My thoughts on the coconut portion is that you might try bumping it a little. I generally use it around 5%. If you have enough left you could try adding a bit more. Consider upping the coconut to 4-5% on your next mix. I think it will soften the mango, help define the coconut, and might also help with that burnt sugar taste as well.

As for the sweetener; is it actually TFA Sweetener, or is it "a" sweetener by TFA (and which one in particular).
If it is Sweetener I have no idea where the burnt sugar is coming from. Sweetener is just sucralose(the stuff in Splenda) in PG as a carrier. I haven't heard anyone say it has a taste/flavor. Only "sweetness."
Though I have heard it can get quite "chemical-ly" if too much is used.
If it is Cotton Candy or Ethyl Maltol (usually called EM) which are the same thing (EM is Cotton Candy I'm not sure why they sell it under both labels.) then I can understand the sugar taste. Think back to what cotton candy tastes like.For most people though it takes more than 1% to detect it.

It's the splenda sweetner. I'm gonna experiment and try and find out the reason I'm getting the weird flavor. Like I said it's not bad, and I wouldn't necessarily classify it as burnt sugar, really just a bit caramelized. I think it's a flavor some people would enjoy, but not me. Next time I think I'll try the EM instead. I may also try making the mix without sweetener and see what happens.

And I may try and doctor up the coconut mango with a bit more coconut at some point. I wanna let it steep first though and see if that helps. No update on that juice today though. Can't vape today. Came down with a nasty chest cold last night. Uhhhhh dying. Not really lol, but it's a snus day. I don't wanna aggravate the issue.
 

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And I may try and doctor up the coconut mango with a bit more coconut at some point. I wanna let it steep first though and see if that helps.
Never a bad thing to try.
Can't vape today. Came down with a nasty chest cold last night. Uhhhhh dying. Not really lol, but it's a snus day. I don't wanna aggravate the issue.
Bummer! Sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better soon!
 
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