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Surgeon General advising local taxes and indoor-vaping-bans

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  1. AttyPops

    AttyPops Yeah, I type stuff. ECF Veteran

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    Save the children! Tax it and ban it!
    Surgeon General issues rare advisory calling for local taxes, indoor public vaping bans

    Also cites "kids don't know that Juul contains nicotine" pseudo-fact. (Like they can't feel it :rolleyes:) They lie on surveys. Duh.

    I'll guess that most here have suspected for a long time that this "save the kids" shtick was geared toward taxation justification.

    Read it and weep.
    Controlling access is one thing, taxation is another. Not enough tobacco revenue I guess...
     
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  2. Cool_Breeze

    Cool_Breeze Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 10, 2011
    Kentucky
    A young student is walking outside past the gynasium. Three students, senior to him are leaning up against the wall. Two have leather jackets on and are vaping.

    They pass the e-cig to the young student and tell him, 'Try this.' The student takes a hit, says, 'Cool, man,' and walks on.

    A week later in health class a questionaire is passed out. On the questionaire, it is asked, "Have you used e-cigarettes in the past 30 days?" The student responds, "Yes."
     
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  3. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    The part that really makes no sense is the indoor ban. I mean what public indoor places do the "children" go where it isn't already banned?
     
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  4. AttyPops

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    1) How is it that supposedly "2/3rds of kids don't know Juul contains nic"? Like they don't talk to each other?
    2) How is that even a problem if true? Once they try it, they'd know immediately. You can FEEL nic, particularly if you're not a user. It's not like they'd get addicted without knowing that nic is there. I mean, they'd know....

    It seems like there's still some "persistent 20%" of the population that gravitates toward nicotine. The survey said last year 11% have used it, now it's up to around 20% again. Still better for them than tobacco use though. But that level of nic use isn't any more "epidemic" than it was with smoking. And probably a hell of a lot easier to quit.

    And like Cool_Breeze said above, I don't trust the numbers/results of these surveys. I'm wondering about the #'s for long term everyday use.
     
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  5. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    The only explanation I can think of is that they can't read.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. AttyPops

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    So "failed education system"? Yeah, more likely! ;) That or the survey/answers are B.S.
     
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  7. Zazie

    Zazie Vaping Master

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    I can easily believe that kids, having tried vaping, will like it more than they would have liked their first cigarette. But I'm mystified by the findings that kids who vape are more likely to start smoking. It seems to me that almost anyone who is used to vaping would find cigarettes just as revolting as most first-time smokers do. If they're desperate for nicotine and don't have access to vaping, sure, they'll take what they can get. But, having vaped, finding cigarettes preferable? Just doesn't make sense to me.
     
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  8. AttyPops

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    Right.
    So to make their future transition easier, they restrict them to "tobacco flavors only". :rolleyes: (banning so-called kid-attractive flavors)
     
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  9. Zazie

    Zazie Vaping Master

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    Yeah, it's nuts.
     
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  10. keelalagirl55

    keelalagirl55 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2011
    Only failed in our eyes....they are doing exactly as they intended....so to them, it's a complete success. Too many highly intelligent, the less likely they are to be manipulated and controlled...keep the vast majority dumb'd down and "they" lose no power of control, especially via manipulation *sigh
     
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  11. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    We’ve already got a 95% tax in Minnesota. They should have good info on what a local tax does by now. This smells of high BS to me.
     
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  12. dreamvaper

    dreamvaper Super Member

    Nov 20, 2018
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    I'm in UK, but the things going on within the industry around the world looks pretty bad. We see what is happening in Aus, now the US shops are pushed to put "censored" stickers on the liquid bottles "do not attract kids" who are not even allowed to enter the stores btw. Now this story with the General.

    Well, let’s see another article - it appears that mr. Surgeon General is not that independent in his thoughts as he has clear financial interests with Big Tobacco companies.

    But still, let's save US kids from vaaaaaaping! (sarcasm)
     
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  13. Zazie

    Zazie Vaping Master

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    Maybe I will stock up on nic after all.
     
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  14. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    'Tis better to have and not to need, than to need and not to have.
     
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  15. AttyPops

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    Altria just invested heavily in Juul.

    What does that mean? Even more tax/price-hikes? Mystery chemicals in juice? Altria gets a better product?

    But I doubt it will all go away, just taxed and taken-over and pricey. What drug dealer** doesn't A) Monopolize the market and B) Jack up prices?

    ** = Used in the generic literal sense.
     
  16. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yes, at what strikes me as a utterly crazy multiplier of Juul's revenue, particularly in light of the fact that Altria's only bought a minority, non-controlling interest in Juul.
    JUUL dancing with the devil.....*
     
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  17. AttyPops

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  18. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  19. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    That is Based on Bob in Shipping/Receiving getting the same slice as James Monsees or Adam Bowen or Nicholas Pritzker or Riaz Valani or Hoyoung Huh does.

    But with 2B to spread around, I'm sure that everyone would get something to write home about.

    Line 7 - Wages, Salaries, Tips, etc. $24,357.46
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    Line 21 - Other Income: $587,000.00

    :blink:
     
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  20. AttyPops

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    Yeah, sure, it's probably partly based on "years of service".
     
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