It's surprising to Me how many people don't know the limitations of 18650's 
We as a community really need to change that!
We as a community really need to change that!
SXmini Q Class Powered by YiHi SX450 chip
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They already make something like that in partnership with VF, the VaporFlask SX. 100 watts, but parallel, so the amp draw per battery is halved.
Exactly, so I think this debate and finger pointing to Yihi vs The dna is pointless,
Cheap under rated battery for hi wattage is a safety concern, sufficient battery safety knowledge is a must no matter what's the moders/chip maker announce.
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Exactly..... As said: Cheap under rated battery for hi wattage is a safety concern, sufficient battery safety knowledge is a must no matter what's the moders/chip maker announce.
Yes, but moders/chip manufacturers must learn to take their responsibility.
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It looks nice, but I can never convince myself I need to spend $200+ on an SX mod. I am thinking this will be between $200-300?
So the IPV5 also just got announced, which appears to be the Q-class's cheaper cousin using the SX330-200 chip:
IPV5 Box Mod 200w $50.34 | Vaping Cheap
IPV5 Box Mod 200w $50.34 | Vaping Cheap
Any 200 watt device using 2 18650 batteries???? I'm out...... battery safety means something to me.... I've seen pictures of faces changed forever....missing teeth, eyes, and noses.... thank goodness it doesn't happen more often but once is too many IMO .. come on manufacturers GET IT RIGHT....
not trying to scare or alarm..... google e-cig explosion for yourself
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I would like to clarify a few things.
The previous sx350j board could be wired either in parallel or series configurations. Modder's choice. In parallel Yihi listed it at 92% efficiency, and in series up to 96% efficiency (under 75W).
I also recall PBusardo testing the sx mini s class at 60W with subpar batteries and the mod wouldn't fire. It had a built in safety feature for people who were clueless about choosing appropriate batteries. I can't imagine Yihi hasn't incorporated that into the new mod as well. It was actually one of my reasons for buying my sx minis as I felt that gave them merit as being high quality devices.
The previous sx350j board could be wired either in parallel or series configurations. Modder's choice. In parallel Yihi listed it at 92% efficiency, and in series up to 96% efficiency (under 75W).
I also recall PBusardo testing the sx mini s class at 60W with subpar batteries and the mod wouldn't fire. It had a built in safety feature for people who were clueless about choosing appropriate batteries. I can't imagine Yihi hasn't incorporated that into the new mod as well. It was actually one of my reasons for buying my sx minis as I felt that gave them merit as being high quality devices.
Your need at least 3.7v in your batteries to pull 200w
Yep look at the M & ML, try pulling 75w with you battery below 3.7v
They just sag and the board stops it firing
If anyone needs the full 200w think they will need over 4v to satisfy the board
But like you say, we'll see when they are out what they can do
As many of us will be buying them for sure there wont be a shortage of testers
Yep look at the M & ML, try pulling 75w with you battery below 3.7v
They just sag and the board stops it firing
If anyone needs the full 200w think they will need over 4v to satisfy the board
But like you say, we'll see when they are out what they can do
As many of us will be buying them for sure there wont be a shortage of testers
Voltage step-down converters are typically more efficient than voltage step-up converters, thus using a serial configuration gives you slightly more efficient battery usage over the full range of output voltages.
Not sure what you mean here, the major chip makers already measure and take battery charge level into consideration and major mod makers including internal batteries use the correct batteries.
As there's no way to instantly measure a battery's capacity, it's up to the user to purchase batteries appropriate for their vaping level
I may be able to give you some insight now that I've played with the SXI-Q software a bit on the ML. Whether or not this crosses over to the Sx450 only time will tell.
To start the SXI-Q is not necessary at all on the ML unless you want to do a firmware update or create custom output curves where you'd use S1-S5 rather than the Preset modes of Powerful, Powerful+, Eco, Standard or Soft. Everything else can be configured directly on the device. In regard to the power output the approach of SXI-Q is not the same as Escribe where in Escribe you can set a static Preheat for a static period of time when in Temp limiting mode. SXI-Q you set variable output levels with the use of 21 data points over a 10 sec period for either Power or Temp Limiting mode up to 100W in the first second on the ML. Another point worth noting is while it's necessary to use Escribe to set a custom TCR for different wire types it's not necessary to use SXI-Q for the ML as it can be done on the device directly but optionally can be done through the software. Also while Escribe attempts to provide approximations of real time data, SXI-Q does not and is mainly a configuration tool for the settings for the vaping experience. There's no Battery analyzer, Watt Hour calculator, Mod Analyzer, Atty Analyzer, Device Monitor etc.. that one would use within SXI-Q to get the device up and vaping.
The interface itself could use some work. It could use some mouse over help tags, more copy and save fields, direct input fields rather than drag and drop, disabling selections like Ni200, TI when Power mode is selected and probably more I haven't come across with my limited use, but overall it's not terrible. Being it's mainly a tool for configuring output settings it's much less complex than Escribe so easier to get setup and vaping for the average consumer. It took me all of 10 min to figure out how to create a custom curve, put it on the scope and vape it, all without reading the docs. But being less complex it will not provide any real time approximations either. For me, my device is configured and .sxc file saved, so most my config changes will be made directly on the device when needed and I won't be utilizing the SXI-Q software very often. It's a nice feature to play with if the Preset modes don't meet the needs of the builds, I've created 3 additional S1-S3 that I can select 2 are slightly more powerful than Powerful+ and the other is similar to Soft.
Personally I don't see the two apps being very similar. They have different purpose and features, one's required and the other is optional and each will appeal to different consumers.
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So the SX-Q software will be the software used with the SX-Q (SX450 chip)? Will the just released ML be able to be upgraded? Probably not since the ML is a SX350J V2 chip.
I honestly don't understand why people are so freaking out about the 200 watts. yihi has been producing "200 watts" chips for a while. it's nothing new.
in the end it's just going to be another 40 amps max input/out device most likely.
I just wonder why the hell they are going 0,0001 min resistance. That pretty much means that this thing won't sense a short....ever. plus unless they are doing some magic like evolv where the mod is able to output 50+ amps without draining 50+ amps out of the batteries then you are going to have some weak ... power.
have fun vaping that 0,01 coils at 16 watts with a 40 amps limit
in the end it's just going to be another 40 amps max input/out device most likely.
I just wonder why the hell they are going 0,0001 min resistance. That pretty much means that this thing won't sense a short....ever. plus unless they are doing some magic like evolv where the mod is able to output 50+ amps without draining 50+ amps out of the batteries then you are going to have some weak ... power.
have fun vaping that 0,01 coils at 16 watts with a 40 amps limit
After using the RX200 and Wismec DNA 200, the mods are much more stable than the typical thin - taller mods. Although I rarely go higher than 50 watts, the batteries last for a couple days.
The ergonomics of the mod are great for stability. Haven't tipped over either mods since their inception. The ol SX Mini has been sitting for weeks. I like the YiHi SX mods, however, have tipped it over a couple times breaking a glass tank.
Vaping approx 40-50 watts, the batteries last, both are nice mods. The RX is less than 40 bucks.
Additionally, like others stated, I wouldn't buy a mod with 200 watt claims and two 18650 batteries from any vendor. I'd bet they're trying to get the mod into fruition ASAP, (or) whatever it takes to sell.
The ergonomics of the mod are great for stability. Haven't tipped over either mods since their inception. The ol SX Mini has been sitting for weeks. I like the YiHi SX mods, however, have tipped it over a couple times breaking a glass tank.
Vaping approx 40-50 watts, the batteries last, both are nice mods. The RX is less than 40 bucks.
Additionally, like others stated, I wouldn't buy a mod with 200 watt claims and two 18650 batteries from any vendor. I'd bet they're trying to get the mod into fruition ASAP, (or) whatever it takes to sell.
To add to this as I didn't really think of it until just recently since I rarely use power mode (and I'm slow sometimes). But assume one wanted to vape in Power mode with a fast ramp up but then cool down over the course of a long draw. Typical devices will just apply the set power and the coils will continue to rise in temp, but with a SXI-Q curve the ability exists to drop the applied power over the course of the draw in turn reducing or stabilizing the coil temperature as the image below depicts. Or alternatively start low and go higher for a cool ramp up with a punch of power at the end.
Yes, but with 200w two-battery mods there are no appropriate batteries. That's my point.
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