Talking someone into converting - flavors, models, etc!

[Dirgon]

I'm trying to talk my dad into switching. He's disabled due to a work accident in '97 and he's part locomotive and the rest chimney. He goes through 3-4 PAD. He's had several strokes, none of which have permanently damaged him or been life threatening.... yet.

I keep going over the massive benefits to him, and he has responses to them all.

Flavor - he likes the taste of cigarettes. He smokes Winston Lights or Marlboro Reds. So far, I've tried 3-4 cigarette flavored juices, and their vapor production was too low and the taste just not spot on enough for me to recommend them to him.

Price - He'll save an absolute ton of money with as much as he smokes. However... I'm not sure how long attys would last him since he'd be using them so often, and replacing atties every week will get expensive (and hassling, more hassling than sending my brother after 5 cartons at a time). My eGo so far has not disappointed on battery life, so I don't see a problem there.

Smell - he won't smell cigarettes anymore. He doesn't care, since his sense of smell is shot.

Health - he doesn't seem to think he's in any real danger. His doctor is up his .... to stop, but he blames it on everyone else in the house smoking, especially my mom. I'm doing my part (though I've always gone outside), and my mom is open minded to switching, but he's close minded.

Upkeep - he doesn't want to fuddle with refilling carts. I've ordered eGo tanks and tank atties to see how this would resolve this problem.

Throat hit - My 'nilla juice doesn't hit the throat like a marlboro red or winston light do (thank god... I hated when I had to bum smokes off him, I hate that throat hit) so he feels he won't get the full sensation of smoking.

He's addicted to more than just nicotine. He loves smoking in general, and has no aspirations to quit. I'm not trying to force him, by any means, just trying to open his eyes a little and have him give this the old college try, at the very least for his health. He's 61, I'm 24. I'm engaged, and I'd like my future children to know their grandfather, as well as actually give my dad grandchildren (brother's never getting married, sister had health issues and had to get a hysterectomy)


So.... how would you convert someone who's so close minded? Do you have any hardware suggestions? So far the eGo Tank with two automatic batts (assuming I can find them) and a host of tanks and atties seems to be the best bet, but I'm just not sure how long the atties will last him. What about flavors? Any GOOD cigarette flavored juices you've found that you would recommend to a smoker who wants that flavor? Preferably with lots of vapor and and the above mentioned throat hit.

I'm not gonna stop hounding him until he at least tries it, but I'm going to do my best to get him as close to analogs as possible through vaping, so any and all suggestions are welcomed!

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I applaud your love and concern for your father, and your desire to get him to make the switch! There is, however, one problem and that is him. You can hound him night and day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and it may not make a bit of difference. The only thing that will make him change is him.

He's not going to find any flavor that's going to duplicate the taste of cigarettes. It just doesn't exist, period. Yes, his taste buds are shot, but over time they will heal. His sense of smell will also return. Smoking only gives people two "flavors", if that's what you want to call them. Vaping will give him way more choices. If vapor production is too low, then you need to have more VG in the juice. If he's complaining about not getting enough throat hit, then he'll need more PG. There's going to have to be a trade off somewhere. That's just the reality of vaping.

Attys could last him for months, even if he vapes heavily. He just needs to take care of them. It's not difficult or incredibly time consuming, but he needs to do basic, routine maintenance and some people will use that as an excuse for not making the switch. He's still going to be "bothered" with refilling whether you get him tanks or not.

Of course he's addicted to more than just nicotine. There are more chemicals in cigarettes that people miss for a while when they switch. People still go through some withdrawal. We all thought we LOVED smoking and we told ourselves that over and over. In reality, we really didn't love it. That was us making justifications for continuing to smoke. Once we gave up smoking in favor of vaping we realized how much smoking really sucks and how many wonderful things happened to us because we gave up cigarettes. I'm sure there have been plenty of times when your dad actually thought "I have to quit doing this" for one reason or another. He may not have said it out loud, but I bet he thought it. Then he turned around and came up with dozens of "reasons" why he couldn't quit. We've all done it.

Get your mom to make the switch first, then he won't have anyone to blame for his smoking. That might help motivate him. You know, peer pressure and all. *Hint, hint, wink, wink* Help get her started, then work on your dad.

The eGo would be best for him and it might not be a bad idea to look at a larger mAh for him. Maybe 900mAh would work well for him.

Good luck to all of you!

 

[Astronomer]

Well said

It is my advice to my daughters getting married, a person only changes because they want to, if you try and force a change upon them, they will end up resenting you for it.

 

[JC Okie]

WomanofHeart did a beautiful job of answering your questions. We can all feel your frustration, but you can't MAKE him do anything. I agree with the advice to convert your mother first. You might appeal to his sense of "fatherhood" by telling him how important it is to you and the whole family that he be healthy because you need him around for a long time. But the bottom line is that some people just simply won't switch to vaping. Period. Good luck.

 

[Rosa]

WomanofHeart did a beautiful job of answering your questions. We can all feel your frustration, but you can't MAKE him do anything.

I agree with the advice to convert your mother first.

You might appeal to his sense of "fatherhood" by telling him how important it is to you and the whole family that he be healthy because you need him around for a long time.

But the bottom line is that some people just simply won't switch to vaping. Period. Good luck.

I agree with the first bolded sentence: especially if there is any place at all where they aren't allowed to smoke, that way SHE will be able to "smoke" (vape) there and he won't. For example: your place, in bed, at the doctors office, at the bingo hall... wherever.

As for the second bolded sentence: I had plenty of guilt trip come my way when I smoked, all it did was make me dig in my heels.

 

[JC Okie]

Good point, Rosa. When I think about it, I agree...guilt trips are pretty useless and sometimes very harmful to relationships. He's a "big boy" and as long as he knows the facts, he'll either convert on his own terms or he won't. Sometimes you really CAN'T teach old dogs new tricks. Not that I'm calling him old....he's my age. LOL

 

[Mudflap]

If ease of use is most important, pre-filled cartos might be a good alternative to smoking. Ultimately cheaper than analogs too, even if he never refills the cartos.

 

[dormouse]

If you tried 100% PG juices, that's the lowest vapor you can get and in some cases the least aroma.

Nothing will taste like cigarettes because cigarettes actually taste awful, like the burning paper, leaves, tar and 4000 chemicals they are. As a smoker you just get used to the horrible tastes. But cigarettes bathe you in their aroma and that's something an ecigarette will not do unless you remember to let some vapor waft out of your mouth sometimes so your nose can smell it on the inhale. If he can't smell then this will be hard. Try something with a strong aroma?

The goal is to find something with the right nicotine, pleasing TH and an aroma that comforts like the aroma of smoke did.

My most analog-alike juice is FreedomSmokeUSA Desert Ship - a bit nutty and a bit pungent Turkish blend with a fairly strong aroma - reminds me of a freshly opened pack. Some similar ones would be their Camtel (Camel-alike) and maybe their new Switchblade. The same company has lots of tobacco ejuices (check the Tobaccos section and some are available as fixed 24mg samples in the Samples section). In the Tobaccos section I buy 70pg/30vg - it takes the harshness off the TH for me and provides a pleasing amount of vapor. PG lets through more hit and flavor, VG makes more visible vapor but smoothes out TH. I was a lights smoker and nothing like Camel ever, but the Turkish blends like Desert Ship have a fell adn aroma that reminds me of smoking.

If he can press a button, I recommend manual batteries. They shouldn't turn on by accident and you get more consistent hits with less work.

I'll let others recommend model - I would think maybe Ego tank?

 

[Dirgon]

Thanks a lot for the replies, everyone.

I'm not saying I'm trying to force him into it, just trying to open his mind a bit. At the very least, he can use a kit while he's out, every cigarette he doesn't smoke is a step in the right direction, in my opinion.

I'm thinking a 1000 mah ego T starter for him.

 

[wv2win]

If he really wants/needs the "inhaled feel" of cigarette, then you might want to consider a good 5 volt or variable volt PV. I don't normally recommend that to new vapers, but considering how much he smokes, you might want to look into that.

It will definitely provide much better throat hit than even the eGo/Riva 510. And the 801 atomizer or cartomizers are the largest on the market. A cartomizer may work better for him as they are a little less hassle than an atomizer with a regular cart.

A very good 5 volt PV is the GLV2 from: Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - Great Lakes Vapor . If money is not a huge concern, the most hassle free variable volt PV is the Darwin from: Nhaler . It has a microprocessor that automatically adjusts the power level based on the characteristics of the atomizer or cartomizer.

I would also strongly suggest based on what he smokes to get e-liquid in 24mg nicotine strength. Liberty Flights "Home Counties" flavor e-liquid is the closest I found to a Marlboro.

Good Luck

 

[Rosa]

Thanks a lot for the replies, everyone.

I'm not saying I'm trying to force him into it, just trying to open his mind a bit. At the very least, he can use a kit while he's out, every cigarette he doesn't smoke is a step in the right direction, in my opinion.

I'm thinking a 1000 mah ego T starter for him.

Sounds good to me, and with the battery life on the 1000mah -since the kit comes with two - he and mom can each use one.