I'm saying that it looks like the head was labeled incorrectly or the resistance is just way high on it for whatever reason. I also tested the same one on my mad vapes ohm meter thing and it's showing it at 2.8ohms.
Tank and clearomizer irritating throat - Am I doomed to cartos?
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I'm saying that it looks like the head was labeled incorrectly or the resistance is just way high on it for whatever reason. I also tested the same one on my mad vapes ohm meter thing and it's showing it at 2.8ohms.
Ah, you're using your situation as an example for others, not for yourself. I see.
My 2.4 head also reads high at 3.2ohms on the ProVari.
Now you know why I direct drip a large portion of the time. I like my clearos and Nova tanks, but I can't use them all the time or I end up with the same problem.
Right now I'm dripping an atty that measures 2.9ohms on my Provari at just 4.2v (6.08 watts), and that's all the heat I want when my throat gets like that.
Nope, never owned a vivi, but I borrowed one of them for a week once. So yes, I do think my opinion counts. If you've ever taken apart a vivi head then you'd also see what I mean. The fact that they use resistance wire under the silicone grommet accounts for a lot of the poor stock taste and performance.
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Without sounding condescending, may I ask what exactly makes the performance more poor from using resistance wire under the grommet? In other words, how does it impede its performance, if at all?
Agreed, everyone's opinion counts. It's not like you said something about somebody's mother, maybe the TANK their mother uses but that's different.
A lot of people have mentioned the ohms on the head are not what they show when they check the resistance, is it is very possible the head you are using is too low.
It effectively makes the coil heat from the end of the ground leg to the end of the positive leg, rather than being concentrated just around the wick where you want the heat. Resistance wire provides the heat, where no-resistance just passes the current along without producing heat.
This also causes burning of the grommet that holds the wires to the connector. Every one I've taken apart has a singe mark, which makes sense if you put a piece of heating wire in silicone. If you look at any other atomizer or CE style clearo, they all have no-resistance wire legs to prevent heating and burning that grommet. Because the coil gets hot all the way down into the head, the little silica looking "sleeve" in there burns as well (though not every head has the sleeve). Not only that, but having to heat the entire length of wire makes for a coil that is comparably slow to heat/cool.
The two tanks I've used have always had a harshness to them and I'm pretty sure it comes from this stuff getting burnt. Not using no-resistance wire and thereby not having a fixed length of resistance wire probably has a lot to do with why the atomizer head resistances are all over the place, too.
I'm not saying I hate the nova tanks at all, because I really do love the design and the way it's put together. The idea is good. It's just a few little details in the head assembly that makes it only meh to me.
Others may have success with them and many do, this is just my opinion. Sorry if I come off a little harsh about this, I've had this argument many times with the friend that I borrowed them from.
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I've used a Vivi Nova with a 2.4 ohm head on my ProVari for almost a month. The first 3 weeks it vaped perfectly fine @ 5.2 or 5.3 V. Starting in the forth week, I would get E1 or E2 errors. So, checked the resistance using the Ao function & it would say 1.9, I cranked the voltage down. The next day it wouldn't hit very well & I checked the resistance agin & it would say 2.7. I cranked it back up & later it was back to E1 or E2. This went on for 4 or 5 days. Up & down. The last time I had to crank it down it said 1.3 ohms. I cranked it way down & vaped better part of a day, then the coil opened & it was done. But nearly 4 weeks of vaping out of it, I thought I did good. What I'm saying is that the resistance may be changing over the course of the heads life, but hopefully yours doesn't swing as much as mine did.
I put on the 2.8 ohm now & it read 3.1 when I put it on. Now after a week of use it reads 2.7 or 2.8. We'll see what it does in another 2 or 3 weeks.
I put on the 2.8 ohm now & it read 3.1 when I put it on. Now after a week of use it reads 2.7 or 2.8. We'll see what it does in another 2 or 3 weeks.
Your coil was probably shorting inside the head.. these have no insulation on any of the electrical parts and that would definitely cause the resistance to jump around that severely and the provari errors.
Here's a crude picture to explain my point more clearly -
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Where could someone purchase some non-resistance wire, to accompany this wire kanthal, wire, element, resistance ?
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Would this work? http://www.amazon.com/Artistic-32-G...1-fkmr0&keywords=non+resistance+wire+32+gauge
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Would this work? http://www.amazon.com/Artistic-32-G...1-fkmr0&keywords=non+resistance+wire+32+gauge
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No Resistance Wire - Nickel - COV Nickel, out of stock currently though
.999 Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round Dead Soft Wire - Silver
30 Gauge Round Nickel Silver Craft Wire - 150 ft: Jewelry Making Supplies | Wire Jewelry | Wire Wrap - Nickel
.999 Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round Dead Soft Wire - Silver
30 Gauge Round Nickel Silver Craft Wire - 150 ft: Jewelry Making Supplies | Wire Jewelry | Wire Wrap - Nickel
Thanks for the explaination, Exodus. It still vaped good with good taste, but I knew the end was near. I was very suprised that it got 5 - 6 days after it started to act up. It didn't taste burnt. I kept the head, I'll look at it someday when I've got time in the shop where we have a magnifying glass for old guys like me.
Hi Fatcharlie - I had the exact same thing occur. I figured it was because the vivi was more efficient and producing a warmer, thicker and larger amount of vapor. I ended up switching to 100% VG juice and dropped the nic level. I'm now using 6mg to 12mg. I was using 18mg nic when I was cartos only. I've also found that it helps to lower the voltage at the times it bothers me, then move it back up as I can.
I'm sold on the combination of the twist with the mini vivi nova. The flexibility and convenience this combination provides is fantastic. Keep trying, you'll find what settings are right for you...
Levitas:7059968 said:
Silver is softer and easier to work with but its quite a bit more expensive. Either will work, more personal preference than anything.
DummyMe:7059992 said:
No problem! I highly suggest you take it apart to see what happened. Its super easy to take the head apart, just wiggle the bottom center pin out with a small flathead and then the whole wick/coil assembly will just pull out the other end.
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Hi Fatcharlie,
I have recently experienced similar problems. I am not positive that I have pinpointed the cause of my own disappointing issues, but I can relay what I suspect. After using both top and bottom filled clearomizers for about a week, (because they looked good on my girlie batteries) my throat was also burning, and I soon suspected (from the occasional detectable droplets), that the liquid may not have been atomizing properly. ( I also tried every one of the suggested adjustments and cleaning suggestions I could find, short of re-wicking, (since I am hesitant to start playing with that). The flavor also became disgusting in all 3 of my atomizers. This was all on the same day, while I was at work. (one chemically, one like cotton filler, one like motor oil?) Fortunately, I still had my ego c with me...but for some reason, after the clearomizer revolt, I could taste NOTHING on the ego. The smell of my liquid became nauseating..even when still in the bottle.
I was tempted to buy a pack of cigarettes...so frustrating. put new heads in my c...brushed with baking soda, drank more water, tried pickles, tried salt..the only thing fairly acceptable became a bottle of green apple I stashed away months ago. Finally after two days, my normal menthol liquid became tolerable (not revolting), but still had little flavor.
On the third day after the atty revolt, I my concept of flavor was back to normal, back to loving my ego-c.
So, planing never to use anything other than my tank system, I pulled apart the clearo atomizer heads. I had not realized when I bought them, that the coil is wrapped around the wick. When I took a new atty head, rinsed it and placed a few drops of liquid on the clean wick...it was the same smell I had developed the aversion to. There is so much wick in the clearomisers I was using...that I was picking up the "flavor" of the wick. When I first started 3 years ago, I nearly quit because I could always taste the filler of a cartridge...so I dipped a m401 till I got my ego t nearly a year ago.
It seems that the wicking material used in the clearomizer is the same as the small wick in the ego tank system...just a very small amount, but that has been fine for me, as long as I do not try to burn the crud off the wick when I clean it.
long story..sorry..conclusion for me..not to use anything with a good amount of wicking material, The burning of the wicking material can affect or eliminate my sense of taste for several days...it will go back to normal eventually
I have no scientific explanation of my sudden aversion to my liquid of the lack of flavor that persisted after.
We are all different, so I do not know If my experience will help you or not..good luck..keep trying
I have recently experienced similar problems. I am not positive that I have pinpointed the cause of my own disappointing issues, but I can relay what I suspect. After using both top and bottom filled clearomizers for about a week, (because they looked good on my girlie batteries) my throat was also burning, and I soon suspected (from the occasional detectable droplets), that the liquid may not have been atomizing properly. ( I also tried every one of the suggested adjustments and cleaning suggestions I could find, short of re-wicking, (since I am hesitant to start playing with that). The flavor also became disgusting in all 3 of my atomizers. This was all on the same day, while I was at work. (one chemically, one like cotton filler, one like motor oil?) Fortunately, I still had my ego c with me...but for some reason, after the clearomizer revolt, I could taste NOTHING on the ego. The smell of my liquid became nauseating..even when still in the bottle.
I was tempted to buy a pack of cigarettes...so frustrating. put new heads in my c...brushed with baking soda, drank more water, tried pickles, tried salt..the only thing fairly acceptable became a bottle of green apple I stashed away months ago. Finally after two days, my normal menthol liquid became tolerable (not revolting), but still had little flavor.
On the third day after the atty revolt, I my concept of flavor was back to normal, back to loving my ego-c.
So, planing never to use anything other than my tank system, I pulled apart the clearo atomizer heads. I had not realized when I bought them, that the coil is wrapped around the wick. When I took a new atty head, rinsed it and placed a few drops of liquid on the clean wick...it was the same smell I had developed the aversion to. There is so much wick in the clearomisers I was using...that I was picking up the "flavor" of the wick. When I first started 3 years ago, I nearly quit because I could always taste the filler of a cartridge...so I dipped a m401 till I got my ego t nearly a year ago.
It seems that the wicking material used in the clearomizer is the same as the small wick in the ego tank system...just a very small amount, but that has been fine for me, as long as I do not try to burn the crud off the wick when I clean it.
long story..sorry..conclusion for me..not to use anything with a good amount of wicking material, The burning of the wicking material can affect or eliminate my sense of taste for several days...it will go back to normal eventually
I have no scientific explanation of my sudden aversion to my liquid of the lack of flavor that persisted after.
We are all different, so I do not know If my experience will help you or not..good luck..keep trying
I tried some of my new 12mg liquid in my CE3s today and I didn't have any throat irritation. That's good. 18mg I did experience throat irritation, but I'm okay with using 12mg. I also put some of the 12mg liquid into a Vivi with the 2.8ohm head only a little bit ago so it's too soon to tell if it will have the same effect. So it may just be a top coil/bottom coil issue with my throat. I'm gonna look around and see if I can find anything with a bottom coil that holds more than 1.5mL of juice and doesn't require a syringe to fill, for my Vegas wedding trip. My fiance refuses to let me bring syringes through airport security. Up until, and after the wedding I can use syringes to my heart's content, lol.
Looks like my only option is the Kanger T0. Sucks that it only holds 1.6mL though. Anybody have any suggestions for a device that is a bottom coil, holds more than 1.5mL of juice, and doesn't require a syringe to fill?
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