Teach me about 18650's

[onestepaway]

Alright so here it is, noob vaper here.
(Currently using the KTS with a vivi)
Someone inform me about battery labellings.
As in (18650 2200mah 3.7v)
Does this mean that If I had this battery in a mod such as the tesla and it was set on 4.2 volts or such that the battery would output at 3.7v and be boosted by the mod to 4.2v or would it be different ?

Also someone fill me in on the different types e.g AW, IMR safe chemistry's and such.

Thanks in advance
-Richard

 

[Baditude]

Someone inform me about battery labelings.

The "18650" number is actually the size of the battery. I believe it goes by diameter and length(?).

The "2200 mAh" is a battery rating that gives an estimate of how long a rechargeable battery should last in normal use between charges. 100 mAh = 1 hour use. A 2200 mAh should last approximately 22 hours, or all day.

The "3.7v" is the electrical output a battery will put out. Regulated electronic processors have boost circuitry which can increase that 3.7 volts up to 6 volts.
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We use either NCR protected or IC protected batteries mostly in mechanical mods. These use a more volatile chemistry and require some form of circuit breaker protection built into them.

High-drain, safe-chemistry, IMR batteries are used in our electronic, regulated mods that use modification of power output so they require the high drain batteries (IMR). These use a safer, less volatile chemistry and do not require additional protection under normal circumstances. (I would suggest the use of a Vape Safe mod fuse if using ULR - ultra low resistance coils in an RBA.)

Panasonic makes a hybrid IMR battery. I know very little about these to comment on them. There are also MNKE IMR's which are an even higher drain battery with a higher amp output.
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Here are a couple of links that are an excellent resource on batteries and their safe use.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

Warning - rechargeable batteries for APVs

Mechanical Mod Proper Usage Guide

Vape Safe mod fuse: Batteries : Vape Safe Mod Fuse 2

If after reading over this material and you have additional questions, ask away.

How the labels and descriptions of batteries differ: http://rtdvapor.com/online-store/batteries

 

[V8inDamma]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...scussion/355443-read-batteries-explained.html http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=17466379 here's a couple links I'm still looking for the main one on here. I still get lost on here lol

 

[V8inDamma]

You beat me baditude lol aw in the library. Got to remember that!!!

 

[st0nedpenguin]

We use either NCR protected or IC protected batteries mostly in mechanical mods. These use a more volatile chemistry and require some form of circuit breaker protection built into them.

High-drain, safe-chemistry, IMR batteries are used in our electronic, regulated mods that use modification of power output so they require the high drain batteries (IMR). These use a safer, less volatile chemistry and do not require additional protection under normal circumstances. (I would suggest the use of a Vape Safe mod fuse if using ULR - ultra low resistance coils in an RBA.)

You seem to have that the wrong way round.

 

[Cjax]

I use IMR or hybrid batts in ALL my mods. Reason being is that they have a MUCH higher amp limit. Even in a mech where there is no protection other than a hot spring, the IMR or hybrid types offer better performance than their ICR counterparts. Most protected batts are lithium cells with relativly low max amp draw of usually 2.5-5amps, whereas these "safer chemistry" batteries are rated for anywhere from 8 amps up to 20! If you run duel coils or sub ohm coils, you really need to pay attention to the capabilities of the battery to be safe.

 

[Baditude]

We use either NCR protected or IC protected batteries mostly in mechanical mods. These use a more volatile chemistry and require some form of circuit breaker protection built into them.

High-drain, safe-chemistry, IMR batteries are used in our electronic, regulated mods that use modification of power output so they require the high drain batteries (IMR). These use a safer, less volatile chemistry and do not require additional protection under normal circumstances. (I would suggest the use of a Vape Safe mod fuse if using ULR - ultra low resistance coils in an RBA.)

You seem to have that the wrong way round.

Oh, really? Which parts did I get the wrong way round? Please explain yourself, and back it up.

 

[Rule62]

I use IMR batteries in everything. I don't even own any protected batteries.

 

[negrete35]

Oh, really? Which parts did I get the wrong way round? Please explain yourself, and back it up.

I think he meant that most mech mod users are running RBAs and need the higher amp output of IMRs vs protected batts.

 

[Baditude]

I think he meant that most mech mod users are running RBAs and need the higher amp output of IMRs vs protected batts.

Then I disagree with that statement. We need to state out front specifically what population we are discussing. My initial commentary was information made in general. The vast majority of vapors using mechanical mods are not using ultra low resistance vaping, or even using RBA's. Most mech users, across the vaping population, are using low or standard resistance delivery devices like Vivi Novas, ProTanks, or cartotanks. A high number of these people are using protected batteries in their mechanical mods, and probably a significant number are using the safer chemistry IMR's, too.

Only a small segment of mechical mod users are using ULR coils in RBAs (and need the higher amp power of an IMR).

People on ECF forget that e-cig forums tend to draw the hard core vapors and hobbyists. The current popular trend in hard core vaping and topic being discussed on the e cig forums is using ULR coils on mechanical mods. But just because it is being talked about alot on these forums, does not mean that everyone is doing it.

These people are in the minority if you are talking about all vapors, and all mechanical mod users across the board. I bet if you could somehow poll all mechanical mod users if they knew what ULR vaping is, that half of them would have never heard of it before. Only a very small number of the vaping public are even aware of e-cigarette forums.

 

[supertrunker]

Will a 0.7 dual coil run in my Ego? Bad is right, the (few) people i know that vape buy their coils and cannot make their own. Their only concern over a battery is 'how long will it last?' and 'how long to recharge' - in that respect mAh is rather misleading, 22 hours indeed!

There's nothing wrong with this, but it's wrong to lump them all together because they will not have the technical expertise and knowledge necessary to ensure a safe and reliable experience.

i own a few kinds of batteries, but then i own a few different mods too and the point is to know what you use in what and why. Preferably before you set fire inadvertently to your house.

T

 

[negrete35]

Then I disagree with that statement. We need to state out front specifically what population we are discussing. My initial commentary was information made in general. The vast majority of vapors using mechanical mods are not using ultra low resistance vaping, or even using RBA's. Most mech users, across the vaping population, are using low or standard resistance delivery devices like Vivi Novas, ProTanks, or cartotanks. A high number of these people are using protected batteries in their mechanical mods, and probably a significant number are using the safer chemistry IMR's, too.

Only a small segment of mechical mod users are using ULR coils in RBAs (and need the higher amp power of an IMR).

People on ECF forget that e-cig forums tend to draw the hard core vapors and hobbyists. The current popular trend in hard core vaping and topic being discussed on the e cig forums is using ULR coils on mechanical mods. But just because it is being talked about alot on these forums, does not mean that everyone is doing it.

These people are in the minority if you are talking about all vapors, and all mechanical mod users across the board. I bet if you could somehow poll all mechanical mod users if they knew what ULR vaping is, that half of them would have never heard of it before. Only a very small number of the vaping public are even aware of e-cigarette forums.

I am not sure if you meant for that to come across as slightly hostile and defensive or not. But not being able to convey tones and facial expressions via text very easily, my gut tells me that is how it supposed to be read. I didn't meant to be come across as confrontational with my previous post. I am sorry that my only window into this world is via these forums where all the hardcore and hobbyist vapers come to talk about ULR vaping and I made the assumption that most mech users use IMR batts.

 

[Baditude]

I am not sure if you meant for that to come across as slightly hostile and defensive or not. But not being able to convey tones and facial expressions via text very easily, my gut tells me that is how it supposed to be read. I didn't meant to be come across as confrontational with my previous post. I am sorry that my only window into this world is via these forums where all the hardcore and hobbyist vapers come to talk about ULR vaping and I made the assumption that most mech users use IMR batts.

I did not mean to come across as defensive or hostile, and after re-reading what I wrote, I fail to see how it could have been interpreted in that way. Regardless, I stand by my previous statements. To make a broad statement that most mechanical mod users use high drain batteries because their RBAs require them makes the assumption that the only delivery devices that mechanical mod owners use are RBA's, which could not be further from the truth. Despite the surging popularity of RBAs, they are still very much in the minority in the scheme of juice delivery devices as a whole.

"You seem to have that the wrong way round" statement by stonedpinguin also seemed to imply that owners of regulated electronic mods use protected batteries in those mods. Again, this is completely untrue. I'm just trying to set facts straight for beginners to better understand what batteries are generally used with what.

 

[negrete35]

I did not mean to come across as defensive or hostile, and after re-reading what I wrote, I fail to see how it could have been interpreted in that way. Regardless, I stand by my previous statements. To make a broad statement that most mechanical mod users use high drain batteries because their RBAs require them makes the assumption that the only delivery devices that mechanical mod owners use are RBA's, which could not be further from the truth. Despite the surging popularity of RBAs, they are still very much in the minority in the scheme of juice delivery devices as a whole.

The poster also seemed to imply that owners of regulated electronic mods used protected batteries in those mods. Again, this is completely untrue. I'm just trying to set facts straight for beginners to better understand what batteries are generally used with what.

If it was not meant to be read that way then it is my fault. I read it that way and i tried to read it again without that tone, but I couldn't. I was not trying to be difficult or confrontational. I apologize. I was just trying to answer what I thought to be the point of the post that started our dialogue. Thank you for being here to help out the newer vapers with their questions.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

I did not mean to come across as defensive or hostile, and after re-reading what I wrote, I fail to see how it could have been interpreted in that way. Regardless, I stand by my previous statements. To make a broad statement that most mechanical mod users use high drain batteries because their RBAs require them makes the assumption that the only delivery devices that mechanical mod owners use are RBA's, which could not be further from the truth. Despite the surging popularity of RBAs, they are still very much in the minority in the scheme of juice delivery devices as a whole.

"You seem to have that the wrong way round" statement by stonedpinguin also seemed to imply that owners of regulated electronic mods use protected batteries in those mods. Again, this is completely untrue. I'm just trying to set facts straight for beginners to better understand what batteries are generally used with what.

The fact that most people are using cheap protected batteries in mechanical mods instead of quality, safer chemistry batteries doesn't mean we should be promoting that practice.

PS: I'm willing to bet there are a LOT of people using protected batteries in regulated devices, because that's what China is shipping in the kits.

 

[onestepaway]

thanks guys, lost of reading todo now

 

[Baditude]

The fact that most people are using cheap protected batteries in mechanical mods instead of quality, safer chemistry batteries doesn't mean we should be promoting that practice.

PS: I'm willing to bet there are a LOT of people using protected batteries in regulated devices, because that's what China is shipping in the kits.

I'm not sure I completely agree with your last statement, but I do agree with your first. Concerning your last statement, there might be those distributors or online vendors putting together so-called 'kits" with the incorrect battery type. At the very least they throw in a cheap, no-name, unlabeled battery which I would personally never use and would throw it away just to be on the safe side.

If I've learned anything since I began vaping, it's to not skimp on battery quality or quality chargers.

I'm not an expert on batteries, but I have done a fair amount of research on them. I personally believe that all things being equal, any IMR battery will be safer than any protected battery, but that is just my opinion and I don't know that to be a fact. Many manufacturers still recommend the use of "protected" batteries in their APV's. AltSmoke happens to be one who strongly recommends them in their APV's like the Silver Bullet, Omega, and BB.

However, since I had one of their recommended protected batteries vent about a year ago in thermal runaway in my BB, I've since stopped using any battery with the name "fire" in it (Trustfire and Ultra Fire), and using only the red AW IMR batteries in both my mechanicals and electronic APVs. I feel safer using them than any protected battery.



That's not to say that a safe chemistry IMR couldn't vent, too. But because the chemicals used in an IMR is less volatile than those in a protected battery, the likelihood of occurance and amount of damage would be less.

Once you experience a "battery incident" yourself, you learn to respect these tiny powerhouses of bottled up energy and realize that if you don't practice the utmost in battery safety you can suffer a serious burn or cause serious fire damage to your home.

Advanced personal vaporizers are not toys. Not all batteries are created equal. The batteries we use in our APVs were not specifically designed to be used in them, but for other less demanding applications like flashlights. When vapors start pushing their APVs and batteries to their limits for such applications as ULR coils, then they are literally playing with fire IMHO.